'The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.'

'If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.'

'Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.'

'By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.'

'The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.'

'The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.'

'The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.'

'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.'

'I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.'

'Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice.'

'It is not truth that matters, but victory.'

'Germany will either be a world power or will not be at all.'

~ Adolf Hitler


It's the last one that worries me the most... ;)

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'Germany will either be a world power or will not be at all.'

~ Adolf Hitler


It's the last one that worries me the most... ;)

The last one is a quote from Mein Kampf and was to do with Hitler's dream of a Fascist (National Socialist) Germany that expanded it's boarders to occupy other lands..

Hitler was quite the imperialist for all his pretence otherwise and like the Communists (so called) and Capitalists of the time believed in unlimited expansion.

Germany is a world power today. It's mostly a Western democratic society.

For the most part it's people are far far better off than they ever were under Hitler (or at any other point in history.)

Why would that quote by Hitler bother anyone these days?

Why would that quote by Hitler bother anyone these days?

'USA will either be a world power or will not be at all.'

Think in terms of desperation... ;)

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From the Nuremberg Diary:

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

Uhm... on a second thought, this quotation could fit into at least two other threads here on the Politics forum...

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'The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.'

'If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.'

'Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.'

'By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.'

'The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.'

'The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.'

'The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention.'

'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.'

'I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.'

'Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice.'

'It is not truth that matters, but victory.'

'Germany will either be a world power or will not be at all.'

~ Adolf Hitler


It's the last one that worries me the most... ;)

What worries me is that is seems George Bush and Tony Blair took a lot of his advice to heart.

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Why would that quote by Hitler bother anyone these days?

'USA will either be a world power or will not be at all.'

Think in terms of desperation... ;)

We ARE the only remaining SUPERpower. If you don't like it, you could always move to Timbuktu....oh that's right, you can't afford it...

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Hm, BrainSmashR it seems the US is right now a superpower on debt while other nations like Russia and China catch up in military might (do not equal military spending with military might). Some interesting thoughts:

The ugly truth of the matter is that if China ever becomes sufficiently perturbed by our current antagonistic naval activities (i.e. Summer Pulse ’04), they could afford to stop buying billions of our debt every month, or if really upset by a US aerial attack on their principle oil export partner (Iran), they could afford to show their displeasure by suddenly unloading perhaps $300 billion of their surplus dollars. The immediate effect would create a global dollar crisis, if not a dollar crash, likely forcing Russia and OPEC to abandon the dollar for a monopoly “petroeuro” oil pricing and transaction currency. A punitive, collective switch, would ultimately render the US Navy in a similar state to the once mighty Soviet Fleet – rusting in port due to a collapsed economy.

Besides that I am happy Hitler lost WWII. I am sure that if he won the war (truce with the UK 1941 was a very real option, lucky Göring was a terrible grand strategist and Churchill a pitbull) it would be terrible to live in Germany and even more in the occupied countries. Btw. here is an interesting quote from Göring:

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

Also interesting:
Interestingly, during World War II, Hermann Göring's nephew, Captain Werner G. Goering, piloted B-17 Flying Fortresses on 48 bombing missions against occupied Europe. Born and raised in Salt Lake City, the young Göring spoke fluent German. After an extensive background check, he was assigned to the 303rd Bombardment Group -- Hell's Angels -- of the 8th Air Force, based at Molesworth, England. This fact was kept secret by the Army Air Force during the time that young Göring flew missions against Nazi Germany. However, the AAF still assigned him a "uniquely qualified" co-pilot -- First Lieutenant Jack P. Rencher. Rencher was given orders to shoot him if he ever tried to land in Germany. According to Rencher, however, the only time young Göring was not eager to rain destruction on Nazi Germany was when he had to bomb Cologne, where his grandmother lived. "He was neat, clean, a sharp dresser and in every sense military minded," Rencher said. "While I served with him he and I got along well together and I believe made an excellent team. I know of no one I would rather serve as co-pilot with."

In another case of ideological difference within the family, his younger brother Albert Göring was notable for helping Jews and dissidents survive in Germany during the war. Hermann was sometimes persuaded by Albert to provide assistance in such cases, fully understanding that he was helping Albert subvert the policies Hermann had helped devise and implement.

What worries me is that is seems George Bush and Tony Blair took a lot of his advice to heart.

All politicians do. It's called politics. They can't lead if there isn't a crisis to lead people out of.

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What worries me is that is seems George Bush and Tony Blair took a lot of his advice to heart.

All politicians do. It's called politics. They can't lead if there isn't a crisis to lead people out of.

Smart people even can lead people without any crisis. Neither a crisis to lead into nor one to lead out of.

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What worries me is that is seems George Bush and Tony Blair took a lot of his advice to heart.

All politicians do. It's called politics. They can't lead if there isn't a crisis to lead people out of.

Their kind of leadership we, and the world, could have done without.

@MAC

I totally agree with you...I've been saying the same thing for some time now. Thanks to Repuke leadership our country is owned by China, and they hold alot more than a meer 300 million dollars of our treasury bonds...they go into the 13 figures.

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What worries me is that is seems George Bush and Tony Blair took a lot of his advice to heart.

All politicians do. It's called politics. They can't lead if there isn't a crisis to lead people out of.

You mean like exaggerating a terrorist threat in order to seize more powers over the populace and get support for a war that is actually about control of oil supplies?

goodness me..who'd have thunk it.

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Hm, seems Putin plans to increase his nuclear arsenal. Sorry link is in German.
http://www.n-tv.de/867823.html

Warmongers everywhere, time to move to Switzerland :p


Btw. I am still puzzled about the statement - it's more true today as it was 60 years ago. People should learn from history and be on the guard. Once true freedom and free speak is gone fear and denunciation will rule and there is no way back.

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

You mean like exaggerating a terrorist threat in order to seize more powers over the populace and get support for a war that is actually about control of oil supplies?

goodness me..who'd have thunk it.

The empty editorializing aside, yeah, exactly. That's what they all do. "Oh jeebus we're all going to die because we don't have my pet program that you all have to pay for."

"Really, Mr. Pol? We're all going to die?"

"Yes, we are, unless you rise up behind my program."

"OK, we support you. Thank you for saving us with your program."

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elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
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Thanks to Repuke leadership our country is owned by China, and they hold alot more than a meer 300 million dollars of our treasury bonds...they go into the 13 figures.

Seeing as they are sold on the open market, and have been since nearly their entire existence, how is it exactly that political party of the person occupying the White House at any given time has any bearing on what China (or anyone else) buys?

The buyer either sees them as a good investment, or he doesn't buy them.

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elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
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goodness me..who'd have thunk it.

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Thanks to Repuke leadership our country is owned by China, and they hold alot more than a meer 300 million dollars of our treasury bonds...they go into the 13 figures.

Seeing as they are sold on the open market, and have been since nearly their entire existence, how is it exactly that political party of the person occupying the White House at any given time has any bearing on what China (or anyone else) buys?

The buyer either sees them as a good investment, or he doesn't buy them.

...then let's put our national parks on the open market as well without any concerns about the buyer.

Do you remember Bush trying to sell the rights to operate all of our seaports to a middle east government run corporation?

The fact remains that the Peoples Republic of China owns a gigantic chunk of our national debt and has us by the short and curlies thanks to you free market types.

As I stated in a post some time back, in the future, the dollar bill will be a substitute for toilet paper. When the value of those treasury bonds heads south, the holders of them are going to start to dump them...I just can't wait to see the look on your face at the economic havoc that is going to cause.

The value of the United States Dollar has already dropped by almost 50% since Bush entered office with the Republic congress in an orgy of borrow and spent.

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Thanks to Repuke leadership our country is owned by China, and they hold alot more than a meer 300 million dollars of our treasury bonds...they go into the 13 figures.

Seeing as they are sold on the open market, and have been since nearly their entire existence, how is it exactly that political party of the person occupying the White House at any given time has any bearing on what China (or anyone else) buys?

The buyer either sees them as a good investment, or he doesn't buy them.

...then let's put our national parks on the open market as well without any concerns about the buyer.

Ummmm, they're national parks, they aren't on the open market. But even if they were, what does the identity of the political party at the time have to do with whoever chooses to buy them?

Do you remember Bush trying to sell the rights to operate all of our seaports to a middle east government run corporation?

Ummmm, no, Dubya didn't try to sell anything. The privately held interests you are referring to were and still are held by private corporations, and can still be bought and sold at will. The responsibility for the security at those ports is part of the U.S. gov't and was never up for sale.

The fact remains that the Peoples Republic of China owns a gigantic chunk of our national debt and has us by the short and curlies thanks to you free market types.

Yet again, you evade the question. The bonds you are referring to are sold on the open market, because they are worthless otherwise. If the U.S. gov't had to buy every single one of them, they'd be a joke--kinda like writing an I.O.U to yourself (which, of course, they did with the Social Security "Trust Fund"). Us "free market types," include every prior administration both left and right because halting the sale of those things would mean that the U.S. must balance it's budget.

I'll ask you again: What does the political party of any administration have to do with whether anyone (China, the UK) buys those bonds? If they are a good investment (and they are) the buyer buys. They don't buy them in order to destroy the very investment they are making.

As I stated in a post some time back, in the future, the dollar bill will be a substitute for toilet paper. When the value of those treasury bonds heads south, the holders of them are going to start to dump them...I just can't wait to see the look on your face at the economic havoc that is going to cause.

It won't cause any look on my face. The reason those are sold is because people like you beg the gov't to borrow and spend for your stupid social programs, welfare, corporate welfare, and wars. You people beg and plead for the gov't to borrow and deficit spend to support whatever stupid program you support. Sometimes that means war, sometimes that means welfare. But either way, it's a stupid way to run a country. Yet, you keep thinking they should borrow and spend more to fund your silly health care program.

The value of the United States Dollar has already dropped by almost 50% since Bush entered office with the Republic congress in an orgy of borrow and spent.

Yeah, just like the last Administration spent it's time with Congress in an orgy of borrowing and spending. Just like the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that, and as far back as the eye can see. And guess what? Should Hillary (Obama?) come into power, they will do the exact same thing. It's the gov't, they all do it, they all have, and they all will. Since you keep mewling for your stupid pet health care program, and others mewl for corporate welfare, this is what you get.

You've consistently begged for this crap. You should be thrilled.

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You've consistently begged for this crap. You should be thrilled.

I am...you're one of the best neoconservative fiction writers in the fora...

...as Spock would say, "fascinating."

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You've consistently begged for this crap. You should be thrilled.

I am...you're one of the best neoconservative fiction writers in the fora...

...as Spock would say, "fascinating."

You're welcome, Jeffrey.

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What worries me is that is seems George Bush and Tony Blair took a lot of his advice to heart.

You're thinking too small... Those two are just puppets, who 'I think' may have grown a conscience, making the other players very angry...

The military may have mastered the techniques, but big business big religion and big 'group of choice' have adopted the very same playbook... ;)

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