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Message 656283 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 14:55:05 UTC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7030096.stm

Boy in court on terror charges


A British teenager who is accused of possessing material for terrorist purposes has appeared in court.

The 17-year-old, who was arrested in the Dewsbury area of West Yorkshire on Monday, was given bail after a hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

It is alleged he had a copy of the "Anarchists' Cookbook", containing instructions on how to make home-made explosives.

His next court hearing has been set for 25 October.

The teenager faces two charges under the Terrorism Act 2000.

The first charge relates to the possession of material for terrorist purposes in October last year.

The second relates to the collection or possession of information useful in the preparation of an act of terrorism.

He stood in the dock wearing a baggy, blue hooded top and only spoke to confirm his name and date of birth.

After the 40-minute hearing, the teenager was released on bail under several conditions.

A second 17-year-old who is facing similar charges has already been remanded in custody and will also appear at the Crown Court on 25 October.


Uhh... WTF?!?!?

This kid is charged with POSSESSION OF A BOOK?!?!?

Does anyone else see the innate wrongness of this?

Did this kid blow up anyone? Or even just threaten to or plan to blow up anyone? If the answer to one of these questions is yes, then the boy has committed a crime and should be prosecuted for THAT crime.

Merely having a certain Book in one's possession (even one that some might associate with Terrorism) surely is NOT a crime. And if you think it is a crime, what happens when this is applied to other books? Especially other books that many people associate with Terrorism, such as the Koran or Bible?

Merely having information is not a crime. Actually doing or planning to do an act of Terrorism *is* a crime.

Thoughtcrime. IngSoc. Doubleplusungood.

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Message 656291 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 15:20:04 UTC - in response to Message 656283.  

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This kid is charged with POSSESSION OF A BOOK?!?!?

[snip]

Merely having information is not a crime. Actually doing or planning to do an act of Terrorism *is* a crime.

Thoughtcrime. IngSoc. Doubleplusungood.



Indeed, next the doors of the uk branch of amazon will be stormed, for selling it, btw, it's for sale in the US.

I advise those in the UK not to open this link, as it contains the same material in downloadable form.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 656303 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 15:38:06 UTC - in response to Message 656283.  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7030096.stm

Boy in court on terror charges


A British teenager who is accused of possessing material for terrorist purposes has appeared in court.

The 17-year-old, who was arrested in the Dewsbury area of West Yorkshire on Monday, was given bail after a hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

It is alleged he had a copy of the "Anarchists' Cookbook", containing instructions on how to make home-made explosives.

His next court hearing has been set for 25 October.

The teenager faces two charges under the Terrorism Act 2000.

The first charge relates to the possession of material for terrorist purposes in October last year.

The second relates to the collection or possession of information useful in the preparation of an act of terrorism.

He stood in the dock wearing a baggy, blue hooded top and only spoke to confirm his name and date of birth.

After the 40-minute hearing, the teenager was released on bail under several conditions.

A second 17-year-old who is facing similar charges has already been remanded in custody and will also appear at the Crown Court on 25 October.


Uhh... WTF?!?!?

This kid is charged with POSSESSION OF A BOOK?!?!?

Does anyone else see the innate wrongness of this?

Did this kid blow up anyone? Or even just threaten to or plan to blow up anyone? If the answer to one of these questions is yes, then the boy has committed a crime and should be prosecuted for THAT crime.

Merely having a certain Book in one's possession (even one that some might associate with Terrorism) surely is NOT a crime. And if you think it is a crime, what happens when this is applied to other books? Especially other books that many people associate with Terrorism, such as the Koran or Bible?

Merely having information is not a crime. Actually doing or planning to do an act of Terrorism *is* a crime.

Thoughtcrime. IngSoc. Doubleplusungood.


It just shows you how much our civil liberties have been taken away in the name of 'protecting' us from terrorism. That book has always been one of those controversial books and I believe it was banned for a while anyway.

Most of the instructions in it for bomb making our out of date or dangerously inaccurate. You can get far better instructions on making napalm off the internet. Another book we used to have was called something like the Evil Genius's handbook ( i probably remember that wrong) but it had details on how to build plasma lightsabres and EMP devices. My ex got custody of both books...hmm..and..hold on..I am starting to see a plus side here...
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Message 656334 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 16:43:42 UTC - in response to Message 656303.  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7030096.stm

Boy in court on terror charges


A British teenager who is accused of possessing material for terrorist purposes has appeared in court.

The 17-year-old, who was arrested in the Dewsbury area of West Yorkshire on Monday, was given bail after a hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

It is alleged he had a copy of the "Anarchists' Cookbook", containing instructions on how to make home-made explosives.

His next court hearing has been set for 25 October.

The teenager faces two charges under the Terrorism Act 2000.

The first charge relates to the possession of material for terrorist purposes in October last year.

The second relates to the collection or possession of information useful in the preparation of an act of terrorism.

He stood in the dock wearing a baggy, blue hooded top and only spoke to confirm his name and date of birth.

After the 40-minute hearing, the teenager was released on bail under several conditions.

A second 17-year-old who is facing similar charges has already been remanded in custody and will also appear at the Crown Court on 25 October.


Uhh... WTF?!?!?

This kid is charged with POSSESSION OF A BOOK?!?!?

Does anyone else see the innate wrongness of this?

Did this kid blow up anyone? Or even just threaten to or plan to blow up anyone? If the answer to one of these questions is yes, then the boy has committed a crime and should be prosecuted for THAT crime.

Merely having a certain Book in one's possession (even one that some might associate with Terrorism) surely is NOT a crime. And if you think it is a crime, what happens when this is applied to other books? Especially other books that many people associate with Terrorism, such as the Koran or Bible?

Merely having information is not a crime. Actually doing or planning to do an act of Terrorism *is* a crime.

Thoughtcrime. IngSoc. Doubleplusungood.


It just shows you how much our civil liberties have been taken away in the name of 'protecting' us from terrorism. That book has always been one of those controversial books and I believe it was banned for a while anyway.

Most of the instructions in it for bomb making our out of date or dangerously inaccurate. You can get far better instructions on making napalm off the internet. Another book we used to have was called something like the Evil Genius's handbook ( i probably remember that wrong) but it had details on how to build plasma lightsabres and EMP devices. My ex got custody of both books...hmm..and..hold on..I am starting to see a plus side here...


hear! hear! . . .

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Message 656342 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 17:05:26 UTC - in response to Message 656283.  

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7030096.stm

Boy in court on terror charges


A British teenager who is accused of possessing material for terrorist purposes has appeared in court.

The 17-year-old, who was arrested in the Dewsbury area of West Yorkshire on Monday, was given bail after a hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

It is alleged he had a copy of the "Anarchists' Cookbook", containing instructions on how to make home-made explosives.

His next court hearing has been set for 25 October.

The teenager faces two charges under the Terrorism Act 2000.

The first charge relates to the possession of material for terrorist purposes in October last year.

The second relates to the collection or possession of information useful in the preparation of an act of terrorism.

He stood in the dock wearing a baggy, blue hooded top and only spoke to confirm his name and date of birth.

After the 40-minute hearing, the teenager was released on bail under several conditions.

A second 17-year-old who is facing similar charges has already been remanded in custody and will also appear at the Crown Court on 25 October.


Uhh... WTF?!?!?

This kid is charged with POSSESSION OF A BOOK?!?!?

Does anyone else see the innate wrongness of this?

Did this kid blow up anyone? Or even just threaten to or plan to blow up anyone? If the answer to one of these questions is yes, then the boy has committed a crime and should be prosecuted for THAT crime.

Merely having a certain Book in one's possession (even one that some might associate with Terrorism) surely is NOT a crime. And if you think it is a crime, what happens when this is applied to other books? Especially other books that many people associate with Terrorism, such as the Koran or Bible?

Merely having information is not a crime. Actually doing or planning to do an act of Terrorism *is* a crime.

Thoughtcrime. IngSoc. Doubleplusungood.


The British have no constitutional rights...they have no constitution.
I think legallly your at her Majesty's pleasure.
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Message 656404 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 18:49:52 UTC - in response to Message 656283.  
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what happens when this is applied to other books? [snip] such as the Koran or Bible?

As predicted... ;)

(Linking them to 'terrorism' has probably fulfilled this prophecy already... Could there have even been a more sly way of banning the Lords Books and demonizing His true disciples without appearing to be the Devil himself?)
It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Message 656435 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 20:09:40 UTC - in response to Message 656342.  

The British have no constitutional rights...they have no constitution.
I think legallly your at her Majesty's pleasure.


The situation is more complex than that, check out the wikipedia entry on the British Constitution. Some aspects of the US Constitution are based on the British (e.g. due process). What the British don't have yet is a single codified document titled The British Constitution, but that doesn't mean they don't have constitutional law, or even the occasional constitutional crisis.

Use of the royal perogative is quite limited, though it is possible for it to be used to sack the Prime Minister of another country.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 656438 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 20:33:03 UTC - in response to Message 656435.  

The British have no constitutional rights...they have no constitution.
I think legallly your at her Majesty's pleasure.


The situation is more complex than that, check out the wikipedia entry on the British Constitution. Some aspects of the US Constitution are based on the British (e.g. due process). What the British don't have yet is a single codified document titled The British Constitution, but that doesn't mean they don't have constitutional law, or even the occasional constitutional crisis.

Use of the royal perogative is quite limited, though it is possible for it to be used to sack the Prime Minister of another country.

We have Magna Carta. But we are not citizens..we are subjects.
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Message 656443 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 20:50:12 UTC - in response to Message 656438.  

The British have no constitutional rights...they have no constitution.
I think legallly your at her Majesty's pleasure.


The situation is more complex than that, check out the wikipedia entry on the British Constitution. Some aspects of the US Constitution are based on the British (e.g. due process). What the British don't have yet is a single codified document titled The British Constitution, but that doesn't mean they don't have constitutional law, or even the occasional constitutional crisis.

Use of the royal perogative is quite limited, though it is possible for it to be used to sack the Prime Minister of another country.

We have Magna Carta. But we are not citizens..we are subjects.


Not quite, the term subject ceased to be used following the 1981 Nationality Act. In my first passport my legal status is referred to as 'British Subject: Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies', in my most recent, it's just 'British citizen'.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 656466 - Posted: 8 Oct 2007, 21:40:29 UTC - in response to Message 656355.  
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Hold on a minute here. My common sense tells me that there must be more to this story than has been published. Kids dont usually get arrested for having a book, there has to be another reason. And, note this, the boy was from Yorkshire, but the hearing was in Westminster, London????


Perhaps so he can be taken across Vauxhall Bridge to be 'interrogated' by MI6.

Good lord, now I sound like a conspiracy nut ;)
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 656752 - Posted: 9 Oct 2007, 13:31:04 UTC - in response to Message 656725.  
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Hold on a minute here. My common sense tells me that there must be more to this story than has been published. Kids dont usually get arrested for having a book, there has to be another reason. And, note this, the boy was from Yorkshire, but the hearing was in Westminster, London????


Perhaps so he can be taken across Vauxhall Bridge to be 'interrogated' by MI6.

Good lord, now I sound like a conspiracy nut ;)


To be strictly correct any mainland threat to security is dealt with by MI5. MI6 deals with the external threats around the world. 007 was an MI6 man.


Quite right. Which means the kid in question gets to take a stroll down Millbank to Thames House.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 672031 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 17:22:06 UTC

It appears that the citizens of Britain don't mind being watched.
I read recently that there's 1 camera for every 14 citizens. How soon until you won't be able to turn off the television because of the camera mounted inside watching you in your own home?



The arrest of this kid is another sign of the paranoia created by the profiteers in the new security and defense economy. There's a lot of money to be made exploiting our fears.
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Message 672319 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 23:31:50 UTC - in response to Message 672031.  

It appears that the citizens of Britain don't mind being watched.
I read recently that there's 1 camera for every 14 citizens. How soon until you won't be able to turn off the television because of the camera mounted inside watching you in your own home?



The arrest of this kid is another sign of the paranoia created by the profiteers in the new security and defense economy. There's a lot of money to be made exploiting our fears.

It's sad and unfortunately it's becoming more and more true
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