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Message 652695 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 4:43:20 UTC
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Very recent events in another forum of these boards made me wonder just how prevalent anti-Semitism and racial hatred is in these boards.

Specifically this bit of true evil hatred as posted in the Cafe.

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Message 652704 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 5:16:24 UTC

Incorrect,

Please see that thread again for my comments.

Also see another thread started by me:

Here...


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Message 652720 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 5:43:50 UTC - in response to Message 652704.

Incorrect,

Please see that thread again for my comments.

Also see another thread started by me:

Here...


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I have spent the past few moments checking out some of your website.

In view of that, it would surprise me if anyone took anything that you ever said seriously. So, I apologize to you sir. You are not a racist. Just a fool.

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Message 652722 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 5:52:49 UTC

As you wish.


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Message 652731 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 6:53:31 UTC - in response to Message 652720.

it would surprise me if anyone took anything that you ever said seriously.

If only I had a penny for every time someone said that about me... ;)
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Message 652740 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 7:18:16 UTC - in response to Message 652695.

Very recent events in another forum of these boards made me wonder just how prevalent anti-Semitism and racial hatred is in these boards.

Specifically this bit of true evil hatred as posted in the Cafe.

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I think you are confusing Anti-Semitism with hatred of what Israel is doing.

Besides. Muslims are Semites too.
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Message 652851 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 14:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 652740.
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Very recent events in another forum of these boards made me wonder just how prevalent anti-Semitism and racial hatred is in these boards.

Specifically this bit of true evil hatred as posted in the Cafe.

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I think you are confusing Anti-Semitism with hatred of what Israel is doing.

Besides. Muslims are Semites too.

No. Based on traditions they are supposed to belong to the Hamites. Both claim to be descendants of sons of Noah (Sem, Ham, Japhet): Semites are the descendants of Sem, Hamites of Ham - strangely no-one mentions the Japhetites, descendants of the 3rd son of Noah, anymore.
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Message 652858 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 15:09:11 UTC - in response to Message 652851.

Very recent events in another forum of these boards made me wonder just how prevalent anti-Semitism and racial hatred is in these boards.

Specifically this bit of true evil hatred as posted in the Cafe.

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I think you are confusing Anti-Semitism with hatred of what Israel is doing.

Besides. Muslims are Semites too.

No. Based on traditions they are supposed to belong to the Hamites. Both claim to be descendants of sons of Noah (Sem, Ham, Japhet): Semites are the descendants of Sem, Hamites of Ham - strangely no-one mentions the Japhetites, descendants of the 3rd son of Noah, anymore.

Not quite accurate:

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Most Muslims are Semites too.
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Message 652859 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 15:10:02 UTC

I've recently detected anti-Welshism and pro-Welsh threads should be unlocked. :)
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Message 652861 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 15:14:33 UTC - in response to Message 652858.
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Very recent events in another forum of these boards made me wonder just how prevalent anti-Semitism and racial hatred is in these boards.

Specifically this bit of true evil hatred as posted in the Cafe.

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I think you are confusing Anti-Semitism with hatred of what Israel is doing.

Besides. Muslims are Semites too.

No. Based on traditions they are supposed to belong to the Hamites. Both claim to be descendants of sons of Noah (Sem, Ham, Japhet): Semites are the descendants of Sem, Hamites of Ham - strangely no-one mentions the Japhetites, descendants of the 3rd son of Noah, anymore.

Not quite accurate:

Semites

Most Muslims are Semites too.
Ok, Sorry. I only stated what I remembered of what I read and of what I was told about a year ago by an Maroccan Muslim. No misinformation intended.
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Message 652862 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 15:18:59 UTC - in response to Message 652859.

I've recently detected anti-Welshism and pro-Welsh threads should be unlocked. :)

That reminds me of when the Welsh used to burn holiday homes owned by the English..
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Message 652864 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 15:24:47 UTC - in response to Message 652720.

Incorrect,

Please see that thread again for my comments.

Also see another thread started by me:

Here...


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I have spent the past few moments checking out some of your website.

In view of that, it would surprise me if anyone took anything that you ever said seriously. So, I apologize to you sir. You are not a racist. Just a fool.


Since we're all crunching for SETI@Home (a project to do ... what ... ?), I would be surprised if anyone here or anyone stumbling by for a read took anything we had to say seriously.
You should ask for your own thread to be closed now, Mr. Wilson, since you now recognize MrG is not a racist.
I told you not to be swift in judgment or anger.
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Message 652933 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 21:49:17 UTC - in response to Message 652858.

Most Muslims are Semites too.


Not quite, if we're talking ethnicity, "Arabs account for around 20% of all Muslims worldwide" with most Muslims coming from regions of Asia with little or no Semitic ancestry. For that matter, a sizeable portion of Jews are not descended from Semites either, for example, of the 8 million or so Ashkenazi Jews about 60% cannot trace their mitochondiral DNA back to the Middle East, that is their maternal bloodlines do not have Semitic ancestry.

As there are Christian Arabs (and quite likely Bhuddist Arabs, atheist Arabs and the rest), it follows that there are also ethnically Semitic Christians (etc.) too.

Having said that I have to agree with wikipedia when it goes on to say "[anti-Semitism] is in practice used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews as a religious, racial, or ethnic group". So while there may be others that are ethnically Semitic, hostility towards non-Jewish Semites is not considered anti-Semitism, whereas hostility towards non-Semitic Jews is anti-Semitism.

As for the video linked at the start of this thread, while certainly distasteful, I'm not completely sure it is anti-Semitic, though it seems pretty clear it's pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli.

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Message 653033 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 23:12:12 UTC

I agree it is pro Palestinian,

But had no idea the anger it would draw. I sometimes post data that will get a conversation rolling. I believe this video was not a good choice to begin with. I apologize for it and will probably delete it from my website as soon as my database guys is done upgrading my site.

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Message 653035 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 23:13:48 UTC - in response to Message 652933.

Most Muslims are Semites too.


Not quite, if we're talking ethnicity, "Arabs account for around 20% of all Muslims worldwide" with most Muslims coming from regions of Asia with little or no Semitic ancestry. For that matter, a sizeable portion of Jews are not descended from Semites either, for example, of the 8 million or so Ashkenazi Jews about 60% cannot trace their mitochondiral DNA back to the Middle East, that is their maternal bloodlines do not have Semitic ancestry.

As there are Christian Arabs (and quite likely Bhuddist Arabs, atheist Arabs and the rest), it follows that there are also ethnically Semitic Christians (etc.) too.

Having said that I have to agree with wikipedia when it goes on to say "[anti-Semitism] is in practice used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews as a religious, racial, or ethnic group". So while there may be others that are ethnically Semitic, hostility towards non-Jewish Semites is not considered anti-Semitism, whereas hostility towards non-Semitic Jews is anti-Semitism.

As for the video linked at the start of this thread, while certainly distasteful, I'm not completely sure it is anti-Semitic, though it seems pretty clear it's pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli.


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Message 653037 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 23:15:58 UTC - in response to Message 653033.

I agree it is pro Palestinian,

But had no idea the anger it would draw. I sometimes post data that will get a conversation rolling. I believe this video was not a good choice to begin with. I apologize for it and will probably delete it from my website as soon as my database guys is done upgrading my site.

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Still not sure why you refer to "data" the way you do, MrG.
Anyway, I am surprised this thread also remains.
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Message 653046 - Posted: 2 Oct 2007, 23:31:20 UTC
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data

Data in everyday language is a synonym for information.[1] In the exact sciences there is a clear distinction between data and information, where data is a measurement that can be disorganized and when the data becomes organized it becomes information. Data may relate to reality, or to fiction as in a fictional movie. Data about reality consists of propositions. A large class of practically important propositions are measurements or observations of a variable. Such propositions may comprise numbers, words or images.

Reminds me of the misinterpretations and missed distinctions between morals and ethics.


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Message 653210 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 4:08:33 UTC
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On the other side: Pro-Palestinian does not necessary mean anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish.

I had some good friends of both sides (Israelis and Palestinians) and they told me, that these nations have not always been fighting each other. Jews and Palestinians even lived as neighbors for several time until one of these Israel wars which then made them enemies. But (and this gives me hope) there are some towns in Israel where Palestinians and Israeli live peacefully side by side.
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Message 653374 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 13:42:02 UTC - in response to Message 652720.

Incorrect,

Please see that thread again for my comments.

Also see another thread started by me:

Here...


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I have spent the past few moments checking out some of your website.

In view of that, it would surprise me if anyone took anything that you ever said seriously. So, I apologize to you sir. You are not a racist. Just a fool.

LOL.......I gotta 'lol' at that.
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Message 653529 - Posted: 3 Oct 2007, 19:01:30 UTC - in response to Message 653210.

On the other side: Pro-Palestinian does not necessary mean anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish.

I had some good friends of both sides (Israelis and Palestinians) and they told me, that these nations have not always been fighting each other. Jews and Palestinians even lived as neighbors for several time until one of these Israel wars which then made them enemies. But (and this gives me hope) there are some towns in Israel where Palestinians and Israeli live peacefully side by side.


I've known and worked with two Palestinians over the past 7 years. One, whom I've known 3-4 years, states that even currently Jews, Christians and Muslims live in peace ... not just as neighbors but sometimes even as roommates ... it is Israeli government they have a problem with ... not Jews.
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