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Message 641637 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:20:32 UTC
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I have not watched all of these yet, but one of them caught me offguard and I wanted some other's input about what they say.......

Part one
Part two
Part three
Part four
Part five
Part six
Part seven
Part eight
Part nine
Part ten
Part eleven
Part twelve
Part thirteen
Part fourteen
Part fifteen
Part sixteen

I am asking honest opinions. Conspiracy trash, or something to it??

Ruh, roh....I hear black helicopters......kitties flee!!!!!
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Message 641640 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:24:36 UTC

Just a thought....but this is the kind of thing that they Myths, Legends, Conspiracies thread was created for.
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Message 641642 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:25:58 UTC - in response to Message 641640.  
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Just a thought....but this is the kind of thing that they Myths, Legends, Conspiracies thread was created for.

I thought it important enough to my own curiosity to warrant it's own thread.

Have you seen them?
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Message 641643 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:28:20 UTC - in response to Message 641642.  

Just a thought....but this is the kind of thing that they Myths, Legends, Conspiracies thread was created for.

I thought it important enough to my own curiosity to warrant it's own thread.

Have you seen them?


No worries. It was just a thought.

I haven't seen them as of yet. Just saw the thread. I'll take some time tomorrow to check them out.

Things have been very hectic for me lately.

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Message 641645 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:30:57 UTC - in response to Message 641643.  

Just a thought....but this is the kind of thing that they Myths, Legends, Conspiracies thread was created for.

I thought it important enough to my own curiosity to warrant it's own thread.

Have you seen them?


No worries. It was just a thought.

I haven't seen them as of yet. Just saw the thread. I'll take some time tomorrow to check them out.

Things have been very hectic for me lately.


I am going through them as we speak (post). I am trying to keep an open mind, and not jump to any conclusions to which I am led.
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Message 641649 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:36:06 UTC
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We also have a bunch of videos in the political forums under: 911

I think we may have this video in one big piece, also, but agree to it being important enough to be here.

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Message 641653 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 4:57:19 UTC

You have the right to believe want you want but I think
you would think about feeding the hungry are world peace..
The conspiracy theories are always going to be there
The logic is all a play on words..Blah Blah Blah
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Message 641656 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 5:01:34 UTC

Just watched part seven. WTC7 sure looks like a demolition job to me.........
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Message 641657 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 5:01:48 UTC

Why not do both.
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Message 641672 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 5:52:02 UTC

Now I'm getting confused. The WTC7 collapse was obviously a demo job. Now they are admitting it was done on purpose? What about the weeks of planning and planting explosives to do such a controlled demo? And there is something just sinister about the way the towers went down...IE...as in a controlled demo situation. Very unsettling.
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Message 641683 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 6:57:03 UTC
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OK....I've watched the lot. A bit of sensationalism here and there, but I have to say this.......
At the very least, the oil money ties between the administrations Bush I and Bush II and the Saudis and Bin Ladens is very troubling.
And...
When have you EVER......repeat.....EVER seen a building felled by a fire of any kind collapse in the manner that the WTC buildings did? Unless you were watching the controlled demo of a defunct Vegas casino.
I am conviced that these were demolitions. Never to be proven, but what I have seen is enough for me. Not one, but 3 buildings all neatly fall to their foundations?? It just doesn't happen that way unless planned.....carefully. No way.
The fire and destruction on the upper floors of the twin towers would not, COULD not have weakened the framework on the lower floors below to allow the whole structures to neatly fall into their own shadows. Not once, but twice? Unless the substructure was cut away from beneath their feet.
And WTC7 is so clearly a demo job. And then they try to infer THAT one was planned? Even if so, would you continue with such a planned event in the wake of the disaster that had just occurred??
Call me troubled...
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Message 641694 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 7:30:08 UTC - in response to Message 641683.  
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I have both "Painful Deception" & "Loose Change" on my system.
As already stated with regards to conspiracy theories, I have an open mind.

However, in my younger days living in London, I have seen buildings gutted by immense fires & also several tower blocks in controlled demolitions.

No way WTC7 collapsed due to fire! It leaves one thinking "Was it or Wasn't it?"

Taking nothing away from the 9/11 tradegy, try googling "Ludicrous Diversion".

As an ex-London Underground driver from the 70's when the IRA were planting bombs all over the place & also shot dead a friend & colleague at West Ham, it leaves several questions unanswered.

Could this be BB's (Bush & Blair) firing shots over our heads?
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Message 641712 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 8:19:04 UTC - in response to Message 641683.  
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OK....I've watched the lot. A bit of sensationalism here and there, but I have to say this.......
At the very least, the oil money ties between the administrations Bush I and Bush II and the Saudis and Bin Ladens is very troubling.
And...


And the point is what?
When have you EVER......repeat.....EVER seen a building felled by a fire of any kind collapse in the manner that the WTC buildings did?


All the time. A bridge collapsed a few weeks back due to steel failure because of fire. All of this has been explained satisfactorilly by countless engineers, physicists, and structural experts. (Try reading the definitive Popular Mechanics issue dealing with this.


Unless you were watching the controlled demo of a defunct Vegas casino.
I am conviced that these were demolitions. Never to be proven, but what I have seen is enough for me. Not one, but 3 buildings all neatly fall to their foundations?? It just doesn't happen that way unless planned.....carefully. No way.


Says who? Slow motion footage shows there was NO explosions on the lower floors. Gravity makes buildings fall this way. You know that it would have taken weeks of construction work to plant these magical mystery blast charges you believe in, right? All done under thousands upon thousands of people's noses...undetected....unreported....except by these anti semitic right wing fascist conspiracy plotters...... Maybe you need to be reminded who you've chosen to crawl into bed with.
The fire and destruction on the upper floors of the twin towers would not, COULD not have weakened the framework on the lower floors below to allow the whole structures to neatly fall into their own shadows. Not once, but twice? Unless the substructure was cut away from beneath their feet.
And WTC7 is so clearly a demo job. And then they try to infer THAT one was planned? Even if so, would you continue with such a planned event in the wake of the disaster that had just occurred??
Call me troubled...


This has been routinely explained by expert after expert. Yes, gravity calls things to fall DOWNWARD....those pesky laws of physics spoil your conspiracy theory yet again.

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Message 641731 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 9:14:27 UTC - in response to Message 641712.  
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This has been routinely explained by expert after expert. Yes, gravity calls things to fall DOWNWARD....those pesky laws of physics spoil your conspiracy theory yet again.



And what makes them experts?

I have seen many buildings drop without the use of explosives & believe me, you would not want to be in the vicinity. They are uncontrolled & DO NOT fall in a precise manner.

Demolition jobs do.

No I am not a conspiracy theroist. I have several friends who were explosive experts in the military & they have often told me that even when dealing with munitions, they were very very careful as even with their experience, they were still afraid of accidents.

All of them stated that no way was WTC7 an uncontrolled event (they were the exact words used).

So, who are the experts?
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Message 641736 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 9:47:21 UTC

at the very least I should think, you have to be worried about the fact that 19 Arab hijackers somehow managed to commandeer 4 planes simultaneously and fly them around US airspace for nearly 2 hours, crashing them into important buildings, all without the US intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do.?

As regards the popular mechanics piece it also is full of holes, it's an old tactic really when trying to divert peoles attention from the core issues, you find the extreme veiwpoints then attribute them to the moderates and proceed to debunk them thus making all the questions look silly, unfortunatly in this case there are just to many questions without resonable answers, not least of which is the above worry? but hey that's what make life so iteresting


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Message 641784 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 14:43:51 UTC

The hijackers succeeded in hijacking 4 planes without the intelligence services knowledge because the president (W) could not bear to continue any policy that his predecessor had in place. W pulled all resources off of tracking Bin Laden because Clinton had put a lot of resources into tracking him. Yes, W was looking for any excuse to go to war in the mid east, and 9/11 gave him the perfect excuse.

I just watched a very good 1 hour Nova show on how the towers fell. The fire proofing was blown off of the steel, and the fire was hotter than imagined for an office building (this holds for buildings 1 and 2). The floors warped under the heat and pulled the outer walls in about 5 feet before the outer walls buckled at the level of the plane colision. If I recall correctly, building 7 had the firefighters pulled back from the fire because there was fuel storage for the emergency generator for the complex.

Most security cameras have a very slow frame rate, and this explains why there is no trace of any plane on the tapes. At a frame rate of most security cameras, you would be lucky to see an object traveling at 500 mph.

Basically what you have is not coincidence but enemy action. This was discussed at great length in a previous thread.

Of course, you realize that these conspiracy theories in the US are fueling a more thorough belief in the mid east that it was anybody but a muslim that caused this, and driving people into the arms of more terrorists?

Basicaly, this is all enemy action at work, not


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Message 641838 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 17:08:51 UTC
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Here's another for you: What appeared inconspicuous now sounds suspicious
A 911 link you might find interesting
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Message 641903 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 20:28:20 UTC

WOW ! What's really goin on ? The fact that the government was having a practice terrist threat that same day in excatly the same way it happened throws me .Perhaps a drill gone wrong ? I would hate to think that the President and a bunch of college buddies got together one day and said hey lets blow up these buildings .

With all these inccocent people in them. Just so we can make this guy rich who has leased them. So we can rebuild a new America . And nearly distroy are own economey. And make money doing it.
And we will blame Osoma for it. Yeah thats a great plan why not .

Come on people .

This is really bad . This sounds like something the anti-christ would do .

Wanting our people to divide and disbelieve in our own government then he can come in and take over.

It's just plan ludacris. If we stop believing in our own government.
And start believing that our own government is going around blowing up buildings with people and chilren in them . Somethings just plan wrong with that.

The United States would become lower tha Saddam Hussan. For crying out loud.

This is just down right inconcievable to think our president and his buddies and others would hatch such a unforgivable thing that involes lives of innocent people in a work place .

My brain is really blown on this.
I can't think about this anymore it's just not right.
Someone or a bunch of people somewhere are trying to get the American public to think thier government and president are pure evil.

As it say's somewhere "Together WE stand Divided WE fall "

There you go.

So who's going to believe these cockroaches that are blurting all this filth about our United States government and President that they could do such a dispicable thing ? And trying to plant such a bad thing in peoples minds that they never trust thier own government ever again.

People we are not living in Russia here where those people don't trust thier own government.

We are in the United states of America Home of the brave land of the free. Not home of the were our government hatches a plan to blow up our own buildings with innocent people in them just so we can say now we have a reason to go to war. And a reason to make some money.

Thanks for leting me share
I'm done....
Sorry for going on and on.












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Message 641984 - Posted: 15 Sep 2007, 23:23:16 UTC - in response to Message 641903.  

This sounds like something the anti-christ would do.

Now you're starting to catch on... ;)
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Message 642024 - Posted: 16 Sep 2007, 0:45:38 UTC

having lived in both, the East and West German system, for long time now, I only can say that I trust no one who is obviously only after the money while telling you to serve the people. Because such people are easily bought by those who have money. I personally trust no politician anymore, except those who I learned to be really honest. And of all German politicians I ever met, local ones included, there is only a handful about whom i really can say they can be trusted. All the others I'm trusting as far as their shadows reach at noon in summer - and less.

I experienced to many strange coincidences about German "terror" events - and a part of them were found out to be made up by the secret service to fake a terror group attack - that it might as well could have been also a made up act to have an excuse for a war.

Those who are after the big money don't care about humans and never have cared. To them, humans are just numbers on their cost-list. Only turn-over and financial win really counts for them. What are some thousand civilian lives against some billions of dollars on win? Just collateral damage in the long-awaited next war.
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