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Message 629760 - Posted: 30 Aug 2007, 20:12:22 UTC
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Message 629873 - Posted: 31 Aug 2007, 1:29:31 UTC
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So what else is new...I've been saying the same thing for several years now.

The one honorable person in the whole lot really got shafted...Colin Powell.
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Message 630095 - Posted: 31 Aug 2007, 10:52:15 UTC

There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave.
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Message 630136 - Posted: 31 Aug 2007, 13:19:30 UTC - in response to Message 630095.

There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave.

And - if it's the wrong president, he'll replace them with people of the same kind but worse...
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Message 630142 - Posted: 31 Aug 2007, 13:26:11 UTC - in response to Message 630136.

There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave.

And - if it's the wrong president, he'll replace them with people of the same kind but worse...


I shudder to think what might be worse than what we have now.

How is the living in Germany right now? I may be looking to transplant my family and I might have a few relatives over there.
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Message 630143 - Posted: 31 Aug 2007, 13:27:13 UTC - in response to Message 629873.

So what else is new...I've been saying the same thing for several years now.

The one honorable person in the whole lot really got shafted...Colin Powell.


Agreed. This whole debacle totally ruined his chances of ever running for president. On the plus side, Condi Rice has been exposed for the idiot she is.
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Message 630155 - Posted: 31 Aug 2007, 13:38:06 UTC - in response to Message 630142.

There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave.

And - if it's the wrong president, he'll replace them with people of the same kind but worse...


I shudder to think what might be worse than what we have now.

How is the living in Germany right now? I may be looking to transplant my family and I might have a few relatives over there.

Well, if you're colored then there are some areas especially in East Germany you better not move to. Strangely racism is strong in some towns. In Saxony the right-wing parties are even in the Landtag (=kind of state parliament)
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Message 630156 - Posted: 31 Aug 2007, 13:38:56 UTC - in response to Message 629873.

So what else is new...I've been saying the same thing for several years now.

The one honorable person in the whole lot really got shafted...Colin Powell.


It's not my country, but I do agree. If he ever got made president, he'd have friends this side of the pond.


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Message 630750 - Posted: 1 Sep 2007, 3:34:45 UTC - in response to Message 630136.

There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave.

And - if it's the wrong president, he'll replace them with people of the same kind but worse...

Well you don't need to worry you are in Germany!
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Message 630938 - Posted: 1 Sep 2007, 11:12:56 UTC - in response to Message 630750.

There is an end in sight. When the next president is inaugurated in about a year and a half, all of these people will leave.

And - if it's the wrong president, he'll replace them with people of the same kind but worse...

Well you don't need to worry you are in Germany!

Actually I have to worry... What if the next president says Germany is on the "Axis of Evil" because of not supporting his war policy?
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Message 630992 - Posted: 1 Sep 2007, 13:26:38 UTC - in response to Message 630938.

Actually I have to worry... What if the next president says Germany is on the "Axis of Evil" because of not supporting his war policy?

Well, since it's just political rhetoric, what if? So what if he says that?

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Message 631072 - Posted: 1 Sep 2007, 15:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 630992.

Actually I have to worry... What if the next president says Germany is on the "Axis of Evil" because of not supporting his war policy?

Well, since it's just political rhetoric, what if? So what if he says that?

...you just ignore it like the babblings of an idiot.
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Message 631162 - Posted: 1 Sep 2007, 17:05:46 UTC - in response to Message 631072.

Actually I have to worry... What if the next president says Germany is on the "Axis of Evil" because of not supporting his war policy?

Well, since it's just political rhetoric, what if? So what if he says that?

...you just ignore it like the babblings of an idiot.

Well, in my eyes all warmongers are idiots, so this suggestion may be right :D
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Message 631174 - Posted: 1 Sep 2007, 17:14:30 UTC - in response to Message 630142.
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How is the living in Germany right now? I may be looking to transplant my family and I might have a few relatives over there.



I don't know if Germany is better or worse than most countries in Europe to live in. We see more and more polarized conditions here with increasing racism because of the immigration from Middle Eastern countries and from Muslim Asian countries as Pakistan.

As Caucasian Americans I don't think you and your family will face any problems, on the contrary, if you can provide working capacity in areas where we need skilled labours and highly educated people, like doctors, nurses, engineers, IT professionals, or such. If you can't offer work capacity we need, then you will have high risk of facing unemployment, and the situation is different though. And if you are not Caucasian or look Middle Eastern or Asian, the situation will be different. Then you will have to face discrimination and you might have to accept work in areas where they have problems hiring people to.

Here, in Denmark, the unemployment rate at the moment is the lowest it has been for more than 35 years, I don't know if it's the same in Germany. If it is the same, then it should be easy to get work. But be prepared for a lot of cultural differences.

I don't even know how easy it is for people, who are not "invited" to come and work here in Europe because they have special working capacity, to get in, EU is pretty strict about immigration. Here, as an American, you'd have to marry a Dane to be allowed to stay here permanently, unless, again, if you have been hired for a job where the employer can document to the authorities that it has been impossible to hire Danes or people living in Denmark already for the job.

Good luck with your endeavours. :-)


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Message 631976 - Posted: 2 Sep 2007, 13:47:58 UTC

IMHO the problem in Germany is that you can't even address serious issues because you are instantly labeled a Nazi. It's a vicious circle: many people are fed up because problems with immigration and lack of integration are not addressed. This creates tension and results in violence - from my experience the violence of immigrant gangs simply don't make it into the news, which creates even more anger. When then violence against immigrants takes place the media is full of it and the journalists ride on a wave of political education. Just what the average citizen experiences is something different and people are therefore fed up by the one sided press and even more angry.

As long as the problems with a lack of integration won't be solved the situation won't change. All in all I guess Germany is over all a very tolerant country and racism is on par with other european countries, even though eastern Germany has indeed a problem because people are dissatisfied.

Anyways Europe is quit some fun. So many different cultures probably living in countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Spain, Austria is best - what does the rest think?

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Message 632129 - Posted: 2 Sep 2007, 16:39:13 UTC - in response to Message 631976.

IMHO the problem in Germany is that you can't even address serious issues because you are instantly labeled a Nazi. It's a vicious circle: many people are fed up because problems with immigration and lack of integration are not addressed. This creates tension and results in violence - from my experience the violence of immigrant gangs simply don't make it into the news, which creates even more anger. When then violence against immigrants takes place the media is full of it and the journalists ride on a wave of political education. Just what the average citizen experiences is something different and people are therefore fed up by the one sided press and even more angry.

As long as the problems with a lack of integration won't be solved the situation won't change. All in all I guess Germany is over all a very tolerant country and racism is on par with other european countries, even though eastern Germany has indeed a problem because people are dissatisfied.

Anyways Europe is quit some fun. So many different cultures probably living in countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Spain, Austria is best - what does the rest think?

For those that fail to assimilate or refuse to do so, give them a free ticket back to their homeland, since that is what they prefer.
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Message 632232 - Posted: 2 Sep 2007, 19:02:18 UTC - in response to Message 632129.
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For those that fail to assimilate or refuse to do so, give them a free ticket back to their homeland, since that is what they prefer.

Sounds like a GWB speech... ;)
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Message 633452 - Posted: 4 Sep 2007, 16:09:45 UTC - in response to Message 631072.

Well, since it's just political rhetoric, what if? So what if he says that?

...you just ignore it like the babblings of an idiot.

Exactly.

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Message 633717 - Posted: 5 Sep 2007, 1:55:22 UTC - in response to Message 632129.

IMHO the problem in Germany is that you can't even address serious issues because you are instantly labeled a Nazi. It's a vicious circle: many people are fed up because problems with immigration and lack of integration are not addressed. This creates tension and results in violence - from my experience the violence of immigrant gangs simply don't make it into the news, which creates even more anger. When then violence against immigrants takes place the media is full of it and the journalists ride on a wave of political education. Just what the average citizen experiences is something different and people are therefore fed up by the one sided press and even more angry.

As long as the problems with a lack of integration won't be solved the situation won't change. All in all I guess Germany is over all a very tolerant country and racism is on par with other european countries, even though eastern Germany has indeed a problem because people are dissatisfied.

Anyways Europe is quit some fun. So many different cultures probably living in countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Spain, Austria is best - what does the rest think?

For those that fail to assimilate or refuse to do so, give them a free ticket back to their homeland, since that is what they prefer.

I believe (but am not quite certain) the Germany has permanent guest workers - whose children and grandchildren are born in Germany but will never be able to become citizens. I believe (but again my information is a bit limited) that many of these that were born in Germany but have no path to citizenship are the malcontants. Now, where are you going to send them back to?
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Message 633814 - Posted: 5 Sep 2007, 9:14:26 UTC - in response to Message 633717.

IMHO the problem in Germany is that you can't even address serious issues because you are instantly labeled a Nazi. It's a vicious circle: many people are fed up because problems with immigration and lack of integration are not addressed. This creates tension and results in violence - from my experience the violence of immigrant gangs simply don't make it into the news, which creates even more anger. When then violence against immigrants takes place the media is full of it and the journalists ride on a wave of political education. Just what the average citizen experiences is something different and people are therefore fed up by the one sided press and even more angry.

As long as the problems with a lack of integration won't be solved the situation won't change. All in all I guess Germany is over all a very tolerant country and racism is on par with other european countries, even though eastern Germany has indeed a problem because people are dissatisfied.

Anyways Europe is quit some fun. So many different cultures probably living in countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Spain, Austria is best - what does the rest think?

For those that fail to assimilate or refuse to do so, give them a free ticket back to their homeland, since that is what they prefer.

I believe (but am not quite certain) the Germany has permanent guest workers - whose children and grandchildren are born in Germany but will never be able to become citizens. I believe (but again my information is a bit limited) that many of these that were born in Germany but have no path to citizenship are the malcontents. Now, where are you going to send them back to?

And you are right. Well, they are able but hindered.
No-one here in Germany automatically becomes a German citizen who is born here, except if at least one of the parents is German. That's #1
Resident aliens can of course apply for citizenship after several years of living and working here (and all permanent guest workers are what you call resident aliens), but no-one of the bureaucrats tells them that they have this right: they have to inform themselves (being hindered by the clerks), when, where and under which circumstances they can apply. That's #2
Many of these "resident aliens" are just so sick of their current bureaucratic fights, that they just don't want to struggle even more just for the line "Citizenship: German".
And so it comes that people live here as resident alien and apply for citizenship who are the 3rd generation of "resident aliens" in a family. They just can't be sent back to where their grandparents came from. Even their parents grew up here. Here they are the "foreigners" who "have to go home", while in the country of their grandfathers they are the "Germans", the "foreigners" again.
As long as these people don't have the German citizenship they have no "home". But: to get a replacement of a home they are "ghettoizing" themselves: instead of trying to become part of the town's mishmash, they move to where people of their own nationality are living, try to meet only their own nationality, live their own culture.
Of course they are malcontent.

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