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Underclaiming credits with 4.* clients and 4.27 app's
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Logan Send message Joined: 26 Jan 07 Posts: 743 Credit: 918,353 RAC: 0 |
Hi...! I was looking my claimed and granted credits and i find this: 595334455 2538296 20 Aug 2007 14:31:17 UTC 23 Aug 2007 12:23:21 UTC Over Success Done 20,638.95 33.85 33.85 595334456 3048167 21 Aug 2007 0:35:34 UTC 29 Aug 2007 10:17:14 UTC Over Success Done 10,111.17 74.28 33.85 The first is from my 'quorum mate' and the second it's mine... (WU 149762826) His stderr show that: <core_client_version>4.45</core_client_version> <stderr_txt> Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version setiathome_enhanced 5.27 DevC++/MinGW Work Unit Info: ............... WU true angle range is : 0.386084 Optimal function choices: ----------------------------------------------------- name ----------------------------------------------------- v_BaseLineSmooth (no other) v_vGetPowerSpectrumUnrolled 0.00037 0.00000 v_ChirpData 0.02218 0.00000 v_vTranspose4x16ntw 0.01225 0.00000 AK SSE folding 0.00153 0.00000 Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Restarted at 50.65 percent. No heartbeat from core client for 31 sec - exiting Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Restarted at 50.65 percent. Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Restarted at 86.18 percent. No heartbeat from core client for 31 sec - exiting Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: core_version Skipping: 445 Skipping: /core_version Restarted at 86.18 percent. Flopcounter: 22521139935562.645000 Spike count: 3 Pulse count: 1 Triplet count: 0 Gaussian count: 0 </stderr_txt> That is becouse he have the 4.45 core client version...? The app version is the latest... 5.27 says the stderr... Anybody knows what is happening...? Thank for all. Best regards from Spain. Logan. BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish) |
Jim-R. Send message Joined: 7 Feb 06 Posts: 1494 Credit: 194,148 RAC: 0 |
Hi...! Yes, this is because your "wingman" is running the 4.45 version of BOINC. Any version earlier than 5.2.6 uses the "benchmarks vs time" method of calculating credits, and usually underclaims badly. (Not always, but "most" of the time.) BOINC versions 5.2.6 and up use FPOPS or Floating Point OPerations to calculate the claimed credits. The project allows these older versions because the newer versions have problems communicating through certain types of proxy servers, and newer versions aren't available for a few operating systems, so until these issues are fixed we will still see these older versions around. Jim Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had. Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had. |
Astro Send message Joined: 16 Apr 02 Posts: 8026 Credit: 600,015 RAC: 0 |
Hi, or is that Hola? Anyway. The things you're refering to are different. The 4.45 core client is BOINC. The 5.27 is the new MB Seti application that runs under Boinc. Any Core client (boinc) version below 5.2.7 doesn't use the current counting method to determine "claimed credit". There doesn't appear to be a high percentage of those boinc clients left, but they do exist. Anyway, they "generally" claim less than the newer Boinc versions using "flops counting" do. There's been much chat about asking the project to stop issuing work to those old Core Clients, but nothing has happened as of yet. There are a couple good reasons why the project hasn't done so. One is that the newer CC's don't support ntlm proxies very well, so Seti would lose out on the larger corporate machines running from behind those proxies. There are a few others I won't mention. Anyway, every should be getting "paired" up with these users at about the same rate, so in the end, it's fair (I guess). does this help? tony |
Logan Send message Joined: 26 Jan 07 Posts: 743 Credit: 918,353 RAC: 0 |
Thanks Jim... I suspected that... I sent a PM to my wingman, asking him to update to 5.10.13 client. Best Regards Hola Astro. Yes, I know... app crunchs and client manages... Anyway, thaks for the detailed explanations... Saludos Logan. BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish) |
Ralf02061973 Send message Joined: 24 Jul 00 Posts: 54 Credit: 9,983,656 RAC: 8 |
yes there is until today the proxy problem all my pc's behind my proxy must run 4.45 version with all the newer versions i have problems to connect to the seti server if one day the 4.45 version is no more allowed i have a problem im only sad about this...until today the developers not fix this problem in the newer versions...why i dont know... greetings ralf |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14644 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Interesting post from Thyme Lawn in CPDN today: Boinc doesn't cope with proxy servers very well. I'll see if I can get further information from him. |
Logan Send message Joined: 26 Jan 07 Posts: 743 Credit: 918,353 RAC: 0 |
I find another user with 4.45: 595623106 1844958 21 Aug 2007 13:21:25 UTC 22 Aug 2007 2:41:34 UTC Over Success Done 26,318.67 44.90 44.90 595623107 3048167 21 Aug 2007 0:56:33 UTC 30 Aug 2007 5:13:51 UTC Over Success Done 9,759.98 74.20 44.90 I hope he reads my PM and update to 5.10.13... Logan. BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish) |
Logan Send message Joined: 26 Jan 07 Posts: 743 Credit: 918,353 RAC: 0 |
This post is for edit the tittle of the tread. Logan. BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish) |
Pooh Bear 27 Send message Joined: 14 Jul 03 Posts: 3224 Credit: 4,603,826 RAC: 0 |
Reading on other project forums, it seems the NTML Proxy issue was fixed in the current 5.10.13 version. People who could not use CPDN because they could only use 5, are now coming back because the Proxy issue is gone. People who read this, I'd like someone on the old that has/had this issue please at least try one update to 5.10.13 and see if it is gone. If it works, this would make tons of people happy. My movie https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/502242 |
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