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MrGray  Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss ID: 628189 ·  |
 KWSN - MajorKong  Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0
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Hmm... Interesting. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060331.html That link is what Mr. Dobbs was 'going on about' in that video clip. I don't think it is such a big deal as Mr. Dobbs was making it out to be in that news clip. This is just a logical outgrowth of NAFTA, not a move to merge the USA, Mexico, and Canada, in my opinion. However, that said... Would a merger of the three nations really be all that bad? Just think of all the good times we could have with humor! For instance, a common currency: the North American Dollar... "Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?" ROFLMAO Seriously, all three nations do have something to offer the other two when it comes to government. Perhaps with appropriate Constitutional changes to incorporate the best things about the Mexican and Canadian governments and to change the name to USNA (United States of North America), the Canadian provinces and Mexican states could join the USA's states, we could fix three Official Languages (English, Spanish, and French), and move the new capital to somewhere more centrally located (such as Dallas, Tx). The political landscape would certainly become more diverse, leading to the downfall of the two main USA political parties (Democans and Republicrats). That alone would likely make things worth it. ID: 628211 · |
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0
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NAFTA sucks...Clinton really screwed up on that one... Account frozen... ID: 628213 · |
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MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0
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NAD's, LOL, It's just that I remember NAFTA at least being presented to the public. Anyone hear about this before today? I heard something about it a few days ago but that's about it. Any Canadians, Mexicans, or Americans want something to do in their countries decision makings? Merger or trade agreements - the public should be brought into it for discussions, at least! Did they break down any of the issues involved or was it stealthed? We may be pawns but we pay the bills! Kind of like we're the pesky kids asking where babies come from when we ask them what is going on! President Bush Amused at "Comical" North American Union Talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsm1JoC_Nfg "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss ID: 628225 · |
thorin belvrog  Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 
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Anyone hear about this before today? see here. That agreement is 14 years old. How comes that you US citizens know so little about it, but it's well known on the other side of the ocean, among the "stupid foreigners"? :) Account frozen... ID: 628258 · |
Xen  Send message Joined: 22 Jul 00 Posts: 86 Credit: 2,846,236 RAC: 0
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"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?" LOL Nobody is nobody. Everyone has something to offer ID: 628265 · |
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KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0
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NAFTA sucks...Clinton really screwed up on that one... Heh... Reminds me of the 'giant sucking sound' that the 'Little Ferengi from Texas' was going on about when he was running for President during the NAFTA debate. Enough people didn't take what old H. Ross Perot was saying seriously back then... Turns out he was right, though not quite in the way he thought he was. Seriously though, the 'Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America' stuff is about closer cooperation in economic, environmental, and business issues between the three nations of mainland North America, and NOT about any sort of national merger. How, exactly, is this a bad thing? I thought the USA was supposed to work together, diplomatically, with the other nations of the world. Why does the 'left' have their undergarmets twisted about this? One, and only one, reason: they are not the ones in the White House. In other words, politics. After all, the Democrats blocked and stalled NAFTA... until Clinton got into the White House. Then all of a sudden they became for it. This stuff is the same. They object to it only because its Dubya in the White House. Just wait and see... When a Democrat gets into the White House in '08, this stuff will suddenly become the greatest thing since sliced bread according to the lefty-libs. ID: 628287 · |
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KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0
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"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?" I am glad that you and MrGray got my joke... Proves you are paying attention. :P ID: 628288 · |
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thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0
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NAFTA sucks...Clinton really screwed up on that one... That's the same here in Germany: topics are stalled or blocked just because the other party came up with them, and later they are the best and newest themes... Truth is truth, and good things are good things no matter who comes up with it. Even when my worst opponent says something true or something good, it doesn't become less true or less good only because it's my opponent who said it! But many politicians are just too stupid to understand this. Account frozen... ID: 628296 · |
Jon (nanoreid)  Send message Joined: 16 Aug 07 Posts: 643 Credit: 583,870 RAC: 0
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"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?" Sorry man, I just deposited what I had in a Virtual Automatic Government Investment No-risk Account. I just hope the Central Operations Nexus Delivery Outbound Matrix system didn't break. Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges. Moderation in all things. ID: 628331 · |
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thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0
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"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?"   Account frozen... ID: 628346 · |
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Jon (nanoreid) Send message Joined: 16 Aug 07 Posts: 643 Credit: 583,870 RAC: 0
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"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?" Thank you. Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges. Moderation in all things. ID: 628352 · |
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0
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"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?" Which reminds me...I think they should rename the Dollar and call it the Yo-yo. That way it might get confused with the Yen and Yuan. Account frozen... ID: 628384 · |
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thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0
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"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?" Or just fix the Exchange Rates... Account frozen... ID: 628389 · |
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MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0
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The Amero - North American Currency http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98&NR=1 This video highlights a very serious concern which none of our media is looking into. The Amero is being looked at as the defacto currency of the North American Community (or Union). This video is from CNBC November 27th, 2006 Building a North American Community http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/ more... . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss ID: 628768 · |
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KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0
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The Amero - North American Currency I *STILL* like my idea for the name: 'The NAD' (North American Dollar)... 'The People' deserve at least *some* humor from their Govt. to go along with the wallet-rapeing taxes... ID: 628792 · |
Misfit  Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0
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Free trade is not a zero-sum game By Donald L. Evans; served as the 34th U.S. secretary of commerce and is chief executive officer of the Financial Services Forum. September 2, 2007 In 1953, the chief executive of General Motors, Charles E. Wilson, was reported to have said: “What's good for General Motors is good for America.†Wilson was misquoted. What he actually said during his Senate confirmation hearing to serve President Eisenhower as secretary of defense was: “For years I've thought that what was good for our country was good for General Motors and vice versa.†Wilson's understanding that the interests of particular American companies are aligned with the broader interests of the United States has never been more true than in today's economy. The United States and Korea recently signed a landmark bilateral free-trade agreement that if ratified by Congress will expand trade with America's seventh-largest trading partner by an estimated $20 billion a year. Despite such substantial economic gains, some members of Congress oppose the agreement, denouncing it as bad for the U.S. auto industry. This is the wrong position for several reasons. First, the agreement – the world's largest bilateral accord to date and the most significant trade achievement since the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1994 – would eliminate within three years nearly 95 percent of existing tariffs and other barriers, providing U.S. manufactures virtually unfettered access to the world's 10th-largest economy and its 48 million consumers. The agreement is also a strong statement about America's commitment to freer trade and about the role of the United States in East Asia, a region that currently accounts for nearly a third of U.S. exports and promises enormous growth. Indeed, many Asia analysts are predicting that the FTA will set off a “virtuous domino effect,†as other nations in the region – most notably Japan – are enticed to pursue similar agreements to get in on the benefits of expanded trade and foreign investment. Second, the agreement provides great benefits to the U.S. auto industry. All existing Korean tariffs on cars and trucks would be dismantled. Further, Korea has agreed to eliminate the discriminatory aspects of the “engine displacement tax,†which penalizes larger American-made vehicles, and has committed to harmonize safety standards with the rest of the world. Third, open access to Korea would be a boon to one of the most competitive sectors of the U.S. economy: financial services. The financial services industry – which accounts for 8 percent of U.S. gross domestic product, or GDP, and one of every 19 American jobs – won major concessions as part of the U.S.-Korea FTA. Under the terms of the agreement, American banks, securities firms, insurers and asset managers may establish or acquire financial institutions in Korea, may establish branches, and may supply a number of products and services cross-border. At a time when many policy-makers and other observers worry about the international competitiveness of the U.S. capital markets, opposition to an agreement that would so significantly benefit the U.S. financial services industry is, at best, puzzling. More fundamentally, it is shortsighted and inaccurate to conclude that a trade agreement is bad for a particular industry sector simply because it may yield more direct or immediate benefits to other sectors. For example, under the terms of the FTA, Korea went beyond its World Trade Organization obligations, permitting market access across virtually all service sectors. This is enormously important to the United States because services account for 80 percent of U.S. GDP and an equivalent portion of the private sector work force. Even if the U.S. auto industry received nothing under the FTA – which is hardly the case – as expanded trade with Korea strengthens economic growth and job creation, incomes and standards of living will rise in both the United States and Korea, fueling greater consumption of the full range of consumer products – including American-made cars and trucks. That's the extraordinary and marvelous thing about free trade in a global economy – it's not a zero-sum game. Nations party to free-trade agreements win, and the generated economic gains accrue across all sectors of the participating economies. As President Kennedy aptly observed about expanding economies, “A rising tide lifts all boats.†In what has been the most dynamic era of economic development in human history, trade has become the basis for a prosperous world economy. The U.S.-Korea FTA isn't perfect – no negotiated agreement ever is. But as we work to accelerate U.S. economic growth and job creation through expanded trade, we cannot allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good – in this case, the very good. Korean President Roh Moo-hyun – facing significant protectionist pressure in his own country – may have said it best when he remarked in announcing the agreement: “If we reject change to protect just one group's interests, or we are complacent with the success we are enjoying now and try to protect what we have, there is no telling when other countries will pass us by.†Given the enormous importance of the U.S.-Korea FTA, and the significant economic gains the agreement would generate for all the people of both nations, Americans should expect similarly courageous leadership from our own elected officials. me@rescam.org ID: 632265 · |
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thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0
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This article mentioned Korea... which one? North Korea, South Korea, or have they united and merged into one single country already? Account frozen... ID: 632402 · |
Gavin Shaw  Send message Joined: 8 Aug 00 Posts: 1116 Credit: 1,304,337 RAC: 0 
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This article mentioned Korea... which one? North Korea, South Korea, or have they united and merged into one single country already? South Korea. The North is still angry (to put it mildly) with the U.S. and most other 'western' nations (mainly those who side with the U.S.). Never surrender and never give up. In the darkest hour there is always hope. ID: 632511 · |
Scary Capitalist  Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0
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This is the hottest Urban Legend out there today. I'm not surprised reactionary right wing populist statist type, Lou Dobbs is fearmongering with it. He routinely gets exposed for referencing phony baloney nonsense garnered from National Socialist Party (Nazi) websites that's utterly untrue. ..........I read somewhere you can't believe everything you read on the internet. By the way, No trans North America superhighway is being built either....and none has ever been proposed. Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! 
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