NORTH AMERICAN UNION


log in

Advanced search

Message boards : Politics : NORTH AMERICAN UNION

1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next
Author Message
MrGray
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 17 Aug 05
Posts: 3177
Credit: 60,411
RAC: 0
United States
Message 628189 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 3:55:38 UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA
____________
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 1422
Credit: 828,024
RAC: 2,098
United States
Message 628211 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 4:36:14 UTC

Hmm... Interesting.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060331.html

That link is what Mr. Dobbs was 'going on about' in that video clip.

I don't think it is such a big deal as Mr. Dobbs was making it out to be in that news clip. This is just a logical outgrowth of NAFTA, not a move to merge the USA, Mexico, and Canada, in my opinion.

However, that said... Would a merger of the three nations really be all that bad? Just think of all the good times we could have with humor! For instance, a common currency: the North American Dollar... "Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?" ROFLMAO

Seriously, all three nations do have something to offer the other two when it comes to government. Perhaps with appropriate Constitutional changes to incorporate the best things about the Mexican and Canadian governments and to change the name to USNA (United States of North America), the Canadian provinces and Mexican states could join the USA's states, we could fix three Official Languages (English, Spanish, and French), and move the new capital to somewhere more centrally located (such as Dallas, Tx). The political landscape would certainly become more diverse, leading to the downfall of the two main USA political parties (Democans and Republicrats). That alone would likely make things worth it.

Profile Darth Dogbytes™
Volunteer tester
Send message
Joined: 30 Jul 03
Posts: 7512
Credit: 2,021,148
RAC: 0
United States
Message 628213 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 4:38:27 UTC

NAFTA sucks...Clinton really screwed up on that one...
____________
Account frozen...

MrGray
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 17 Aug 05
Posts: 3177
Credit: 60,411
RAC: 0
United States
Message 628225 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 5:27:43 UTC
Last modified: 28 Aug 2007, 5:47:59 UTC

NAD's, LOL,

It's just that I remember NAFTA at least being presented to the public. Anyone hear about this before today? I heard something about it a few days ago but that's about it. Any Canadians, Mexicans, or Americans want something to do in their countries decision makings? Merger or trade agreements - the public should be brought into it for discussions, at least! Did they break down any of the issues involved or was it stealthed?

We may be pawns but we pay the bills! Kind of like we're the pesky kids asking where babies come from when we ask them what is going on!



President Bush Amused at "Comical" North American Union Talk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsm1JoC_Nfg
____________
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Profile thorin belvrog
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 29 Sep 06
Posts: 6418
Credit: 8,893
RAC: 0
Germany
Message 628258 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 9:44:52 UTC

Anyone hear about this before today?

see here. That agreement is 14 years old. How comes that you US citizens know so little about it, but it's well known on the other side of the ocean, among the "stupid foreigners"? :)

____________
Account frozen...

Profile Xen
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 22 Jul 00
Posts: 86
Credit: 2,079,469
RAC: 1,022
United States
Message 628265 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 10:04:10 UTC

"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?"
LOL
____________
Nobody is nobody. Everyone has something to offer

Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 1422
Credit: 828,024
RAC: 2,098
United States
Message 628287 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 11:10:27 UTC - in response to Message 628213.

NAFTA sucks...Clinton really screwed up on that one...


Heh... Reminds me of the 'giant sucking sound' that the 'Little Ferengi from Texas' was going on about when he was running for President during the NAFTA debate. Enough people didn't take what old H. Ross Perot was saying seriously back then... Turns out he was right, though not quite in the way he thought he was.

Seriously though, the 'Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America' stuff is about closer cooperation in economic, environmental, and business issues between the three nations of mainland North America, and NOT about any sort of national merger. How, exactly, is this a bad thing? I thought the USA was supposed to work together, diplomatically, with the other nations of the world. Why does the 'left' have their undergarmets twisted about this? One, and only one, reason: they are not the ones in the White House. In other words, politics.

After all, the Democrats blocked and stalled NAFTA... until Clinton got into the White House. Then all of a sudden they became for it. This stuff is the same. They object to it only because its Dubya in the White House. Just wait and see... When a Democrat gets into the White House in '08, this stuff will suddenly become the greatest thing since sliced bread according to the lefty-libs.

Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 1422
Credit: 828,024
RAC: 2,098
United States
Message 628288 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 11:11:41 UTC - in response to Message 628265.

"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?"
LOL


I am glad that you and MrGray got my joke... Proves you are paying attention. :P

Profile thorin belvrog
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 29 Sep 06
Posts: 6418
Credit: 8,893
RAC: 0
Germany
Message 628296 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 11:30:40 UTC - in response to Message 628287.

NAFTA sucks...Clinton really screwed up on that one...


Heh... Reminds me of the 'giant sucking sound' that the 'Little Ferengi from Texas' was going on about when he was running for President during the NAFTA debate. Enough people didn't take what old H. Ross Perot was saying seriously back then... Turns out he was right, though not quite in the way he thought he was.

Seriously though, the 'Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America' stuff is about closer cooperation in economic, environmental, and business issues between the three nations of mainland North America, and NOT about any sort of national merger. How, exactly, is this a bad thing? I thought the USA was supposed to work together, diplomatically, with the other nations of the world. Why does the 'left' have their undergarmets twisted about this? One, and only one, reason: they are not the ones in the White House. In other words, politics.

After all, the Democrats blocked and stalled NAFTA... until Clinton got into the White House. Then all of a sudden they became for it. This stuff is the same. They object to it only because its Dubya in the White House. Just wait and see... When a Democrat gets into the White House in '08, this stuff will suddenly become the greatest thing since sliced bread according to the lefty-libs.


That's the same here in Germany: topics are stalled or blocked just because the other party came up with them, and later they are the best and newest themes...

Truth is truth, and good things are good things no matter who comes up with it. Even when my worst opponent says something true or something good, it doesn't become less true or less good only because it's my opponent who said it! But many politicians are just too stupid to understand this.
____________
Account frozen...

Profile Jon (nanoreid)
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 16 Aug 07
Posts: 645
Credit: 583,870
RAC: 0
United States
Message 628331 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 13:22:54 UTC - in response to Message 628265.

"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?"
LOL


Sorry man, I just deposited what I had in a Virtual Automatic Government Investment No-risk Account. I just hope the Central Operations Nexus Delivery Outbound Matrix system didn't break.

____________
Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

Profile thorin belvrog
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 29 Sep 06
Posts: 6418
Credit: 8,893
RAC: 0
Germany
Message 628346 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 13:56:39 UTC - in response to Message 628331.

"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?"
LOL


Sorry man, I just deposited what I had in a Virtual Automatic Government Investment No-risk Account. I just hope the Central Operations Nexus Delivery Outbound Matrix system didn't break.


____________
Account frozen...

Profile Jon (nanoreid)
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 16 Aug 07
Posts: 645
Credit: 583,870
RAC: 0
United States
Message 628352 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 14:10:48 UTC - in response to Message 628346.

"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?"
LOL


Sorry man, I just deposited what I had in a Virtual Automatic Government Investment No-risk Account. I just hope the Central Operations Nexus Delivery Outbound Matrix system didn't break.



Thank you.
____________
Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

Profile Darth Dogbytes™
Volunteer tester
Send message
Joined: 30 Jul 03
Posts: 7512
Credit: 2,021,148
RAC: 0
United States
Message 628384 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 15:33:31 UTC - in response to Message 628331.
Last modified: 28 Aug 2007, 15:39:48 UTC

"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?"
LOL


Sorry man, I just deposited what I had in a Virtual Automatic Government Investment No-risk Account. I just hope the Central Operations Nexus Delivery Outbound Matrix system didn't break.

Which reminds me...I think they should rename the Dollar and call it the Yo-yo. That way it might get confused with the Yen and Yuan.
____________
Account frozen...

Profile thorin belvrog
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 29 Sep 06
Posts: 6418
Credit: 8,893
RAC: 0
Germany
Message 628389 - Posted: 28 Aug 2007, 15:37:28 UTC - in response to Message 628384.

"Hey man, could I bum a couple of your NADs?"
LOL


Sorry man, I just deposited what I had in a Virtual Automatic Government Investment No-risk Account. I just hope the Central Operations Nexus Delivery Outbound Matrix system didn't break.

Which reminds me...I think they should rename the Dollar and call it the Yoyo. That way it might get confused with the Yen and Yuan.

Or just fix the Exchange Rates...
____________
Account frozen...

MrGray
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 17 Aug 05
Posts: 3177
Credit: 60,411
RAC: 0
United States
Message 628768 - Posted: 29 Aug 2007, 11:01:19 UTC
Last modified: 29 Aug 2007, 11:04:15 UTC

The Amero - North American Currency

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98&NR=1

This video highlights a very serious concern which none of our media is looking into. The Amero is being looked at as the defacto currency of the North American Community (or Union).

This video is from CNBC November 27th, 2006


Building a North American Community

http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/


more...



.
____________
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 1422
Credit: 828,024
RAC: 2,098
United States
Message 628792 - Posted: 29 Aug 2007, 12:18:25 UTC - in response to Message 628768.

The Amero - North American Currency

<snip>
.


I *STILL* like my idea for the name: 'The NAD' (North American Dollar)... 'The People' deserve at least *some* humor from their Govt. to go along with the wallet-rapeing taxes...

Profile Misfit
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 21 Jun 01
Posts: 21790
Credit: 2,510,901
RAC: 0
United States
Message 632265 - Posted: 2 Sep 2007, 19:48:43 UTC

Free trade is not a zero-sum game

By Donald L. Evans; served as the 34th U.S. secretary of commerce and is chief executive officer of the Financial Services Forum.

September 2, 2007

In 1953, the chief executive of General Motors, Charles E. Wilson, was reported to have said: “What's good for General Motors is good for America.” Wilson was misquoted. What he actually said during his Senate confirmation hearing to serve President Eisenhower as secretary of defense was: “For years I've thought that what was good for our country was good for General Motors and vice versa.”

Wilson's understanding that the interests of particular American companies are aligned with the broader interests of the United States has never been more true than in today's economy.

The United States and Korea recently signed a landmark bilateral free-trade agreement that if ratified by Congress will expand trade with America's seventh-largest trading partner by an estimated $20 billion a year. Despite such substantial economic gains, some members of Congress oppose the agreement, denouncing it as bad for the U.S. auto industry.

This is the wrong position for several reasons. First, the agreement – the world's largest bilateral accord to date and the most significant trade achievement since the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1994 – would eliminate within three years nearly 95 percent of existing tariffs and other barriers, providing U.S. manufactures virtually unfettered access to the world's 10th-largest economy and its 48 million consumers.

The agreement is also a strong statement about America's commitment to freer trade and about the role of the United States in East Asia, a region that currently accounts for nearly a third of U.S. exports and promises enormous growth. Indeed, many Asia analysts are predicting that the FTA will set off a “virtuous domino effect,” as other nations in the region – most notably Japan – are enticed to pursue similar agreements to get in on the benefits of expanded trade and foreign investment.

Second, the agreement provides great benefits to the U.S. auto industry. All existing Korean tariffs on cars and trucks would be dismantled. Further, Korea has agreed to eliminate the discriminatory aspects of the “engine displacement tax,” which penalizes larger American-made vehicles, and has committed to harmonize safety standards with the rest of the world.

Third, open access to Korea would be a boon to one of the most competitive sectors of the U.S. economy: financial services. The financial services industry – which accounts for 8 percent of U.S. gross domestic product, or GDP, and one of every 19 American jobs – won major concessions as part of the U.S.-Korea FTA. Under the terms of the agreement, American banks, securities firms, insurers and asset managers may establish or acquire financial institutions in Korea, may establish branches, and may supply a number of products and services cross-border.

At a time when many policy-makers and other observers worry about the international competitiveness of the U.S. capital markets, opposition to an agreement that would so significantly benefit the U.S. financial services industry is, at best, puzzling.

More fundamentally, it is shortsighted and inaccurate to conclude that a trade agreement is bad for a particular industry sector simply because it may yield more direct or immediate benefits to other sectors.

For example, under the terms of the FTA, Korea went beyond its World Trade Organization obligations, permitting market access across virtually all service sectors. This is enormously important to the United States because services account for 80 percent of U.S. GDP and an equivalent portion of the private sector work force. Even if the U.S. auto industry received nothing under the FTA – which is hardly the case – as expanded trade with Korea strengthens economic growth and job creation, incomes and standards of living will rise in both the United States and Korea, fueling greater consumption of the full range of consumer products – including American-made cars and trucks.

That's the extraordinary and marvelous thing about free trade in a global economy – it's not a zero-sum game. Nations party to free-trade agreements win, and the generated economic gains accrue across all sectors of the participating economies. As President Kennedy aptly observed about expanding economies, “A rising tide lifts all boats.” In what has been the most dynamic era of economic development in human history, trade has become the basis for a prosperous world economy.

The U.S.-Korea FTA isn't perfect – no negotiated agreement ever is. But as we work to accelerate U.S. economic growth and job creation through expanded trade, we cannot allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good – in this case, the very good.

Korean President Roh Moo-hyun – facing significant protectionist pressure in his own country – may have said it best when he remarked in announcing the agreement: “If we reject change to protect just one group's interests, or we are complacent with the success we are enjoying now and try to protect what we have, there is no telling when other countries will pass us by.”

Given the enormous importance of the U.S.-Korea FTA, and the significant economic gains the agreement would generate for all the people of both nations, Americans should expect similarly courageous leadership from our own elected officials.
____________

Profile thorin belvrog
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 29 Sep 06
Posts: 6418
Credit: 8,893
RAC: 0
Germany
Message 632402 - Posted: 2 Sep 2007, 22:22:05 UTC

This article mentioned Korea... which one? North Korea, South Korea, or have they united and merged into one single country already?
____________
Account frozen...

Profile Gavin Shaw
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 8 Aug 00
Posts: 1116
Credit: 1,304,337
RAC: 0
Australia
Message 632511 - Posted: 3 Sep 2007, 0:22:34 UTC - in response to Message 632402.

This article mentioned Korea... which one? North Korea, South Korea, or have they united and merged into one single country already?


South Korea. The North is still angry (to put it mildly) with the U.S. and most other 'western' nations (mainly those who side with the U.S.).

____________
Never surrender and never give up. In the darkest hour there is always hope.

Profile Scary Capitalist
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 21 May 01
Posts: 7407
Credit: 75,605
RAC: 39
United States
Message 633703 - Posted: 5 Sep 2007, 1:15:16 UTC

This is the hottest Urban Legend out there today. I'm not surprised reactionary right wing populist statist type, Lou Dobbs is fearmongering with it. He routinely gets exposed for referencing phony baloney nonsense garnered from National Socialist Party (Nazi) websites that's utterly untrue.

..........I read somewhere you can't believe everything you read on the internet.

By the way, No trans North America superhighway is being built either....and none has ever been proposed.
____________
Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next

Message boards : Politics : NORTH AMERICAN UNION

Copyright © 2014 University of California