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Message 625611 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:38:12 UTC

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Message 625629 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:46:56 UTC - in response to Message 625611.

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Thanks, MrGray. I'm not sure, however, that I feeling like fighting with an unarmed man (BrainSmashR). If he wishes to compare WW2 to the Iraq War then I more than welcome the challenge. I will not be held responsible, however, for any damage I may do to his world view.
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Message 625636 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:49:39 UTC - in response to Message 625629.

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Thanks, MrGray. I'm not sure, however, that I feeling like fighting with an unarmed man (BrainSmashR). If he wishes to compare WW2 to the Iraq War then I more than welcome the challenge. I will not be held responsible, however, for any damage I may do to his world view.


We are at war, American soldiers are being killed.

Both wars seem pretty damn similiar to me.
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Message 625637 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:49:57 UTC
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Jon:

Think of it as teaching others who may read the debate.

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Caveman: We've been creating the instability for decades. Now we're in to collect the spoils of an illegal war. I felt the same way you did until recently, when the psychological patriotic bug finally wore off.
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Message 625648 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:54:54 UTC - in response to Message 625637.
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Jon:

Think of it as teaching others who may read the debate.

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Caveman: We've been creating the instability for decades. Now we're in to collect the spoils of an illegal war. I felt the same way you did until recently, when the psychological patriotic bug finally wore off.



Creating instability doesn't justify the murder of thousands of innocent New York citizens.

The murder of thousands of innocent civilians DOES justify war.

Or maybe you think 9/11 was 100% accidental and their intended target was some type of government or military installation.....moron.
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Message 625649 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:56:11 UTC

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!
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Message 625653 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:59:18 UTC - in response to Message 625649.

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!



Germany never attacked the USA either....but they WERE the biggest problem and therefore the first target.

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Message 625657 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:01:26 UTC - in response to Message 625636.

Ding-ding-ding

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Thanks, MrGray. I'm not sure, however, that I feeling like fighting with an unarmed man (BrainSmashR). If he wishes to compare WW2 to the Iraq War then I more than welcome the challenge. I will not be held responsible, however, for any damage I may do to his world view.


We are at war, American soldiers are being killed.

Both wars seem pretty damn similiar to me.


Similar in that they are both wars.

Let me list the differences:

WW2: A whole lot of nations vs. 3 nations
Iraq War: US vs. Iraq with a smidge of help from other nations

WW2: Fought to preserve freedom
Iraq War: Fought to spread 'democracy'

WW2: Used the entire military rage and economy of the US
Iraq War: Using whatever troops and equipment we can scrounge

WW2: Volunteer enlistment up after start of war
Iraq War: Volunteer enlistment down after start of war

WW2: Wounded soldiers treated like heros by government
Iraq War: Wounded soldiers treated like left overs by government

WW2: Enemy easily identified
Iraq War: Enemy hiding amongst civilian population

WW2: Enemy united under one ideology
Iraq War: Enemy fractured into various dogmatic camps

Do you need more or is that enough?

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Message 625661 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:02:25 UTC - in response to Message 625653.

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!



Germany never attacked the USA either....but they WERE the biggest problem and therefore the first target.

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I suppose those U-boats off the coast of New York were just sight seeing.

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Message 625664 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:05:41 UTC - in response to Message 625653.

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!



Germany never attacked the USA either....but they WERE the biggest problem and therefore the first target.

Next...


Pearl Harbor: November 23, 1941

D day: June 6, 1944

WHO do you think we went after first?

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Message 625668 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:08:07 UTC - in response to Message 625661.

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!



Germany never attacked the USA either....but they WERE the biggest problem and therefore the first target.

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I suppose those U-boats off the coast of New York were just sight seeing.


Plus Japan aligned with Germany, who was indeed the more powerful. Not much we could do in the Pacific until we had time to regroup.

My Grandfather was Chief Electrician at Hunters Point Naval Base, S.F., and my Grandmother was a "Rosie the Riveter." She fabricated, inspected, polished, and loaded all sizes of shells used in aircraft and ships. I still have some She gave me.
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Message 625669 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:08:12 UTC - in response to Message 625657.
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Ding-ding-ding

Round 1. GO!


Thanks, MrGray. I'm not sure, however, that I feeling like fighting with an unarmed man (BrainSmashR). If he wishes to compare WW2 to the Iraq War then I more than welcome the challenge. I will not be held responsible, however, for any damage I may do to his world view.


We are at war, American soldiers are being killed.

Both wars seem pretty damn similiar to me.


Similar in that they are both wars.

Let me list the differences:

WW2: A whole lot of nations vs. 3 nations
Iraq War: US vs. Iraq with a smidge of help from other nations


It's not a popularity contest. It's about right and wrong and the radical muslim terrorist hailing from the middle east were wrong to intentionally and without malice, target civilian populations.

WW2: Fought to preserve freedom
Iraq War: Fought to spread 'democracy'


we are not at war with Iraq, we are at war with radical islamic terrorists. As you mislabel yourself christians, you also have mislabeled the war efforst for your own personal reasons.


WW2: Used the entire military rage and economy of the US
Iraq War: Using whatever troops and equipment we can scrounge


Try supporting the war effort rather than condemning it, hippy.

WW2: Volunteer enlistment up after start of war
Iraq War: Volunteer enlistment down after start of war


More dope smoking hippies now, more terrorist sympathizers now, more gays now, more welfare leeches now, more minorities now etc, etc, etc. Fewer REAL Americans who love this country unconditionally as you would your children.

WW2: Wounded soldiers treated like heros by government
Iraq War: Wounded soldiers treated like left overs by government


You're opinion based on isolated incidents.

WW2: Enemy easily identified
Iraq War: Enemy hiding amongst civilian population


Not our fault they are cowards. Incidentally, we didn't care about civilian losses of the ENEMY in WW2 either.


WW2: Enemy united under one ideology
Iraq War: Enemy fractured into various dogmatic camps


Still then enemy.

Do you need more or is that enough?


Yes please.
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Message 625671 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:08:52 UTC - in response to Message 625661.

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!



Germany never attacked the USA either....but they WERE the biggest problem and therefore the first target.

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I suppose those U-boats off the coast of New York were just sight seeing.



Apparently so, they didn't attack us, Japan did.
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Message 625672 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:09:18 UTC - in response to Message 625668.

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!



Germany never attacked the USA either....but they WERE the biggest problem and therefore the first target.

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I suppose those U-boats off the coast of New York were just sight seeing.


Plus Japan aligned with Germany, who was indeed the more powerful. Not much we could do in the Pacific until we had time to regroup.

My Grandfather was Chief Electrician at Hunters Point Naval Base, S.F., and my Grandmother was a "Rosie the Riveter." She fabricated, inspected, polished, and loaded all sizes of shells used in aircraft and ships. I still have some She gave me.


Shells or aircraft and ships?

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Message 625673 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:09:20 UTC - in response to Message 625664.

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!



Germany never attacked the USA either....but they WERE the biggest problem and therefore the first target.

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Pearl Harbor: November 23, 1941

D day: June 6, 1944

WHO do you think we went after first?


German soldiers occupying France.
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Message 625676 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:11:32 UTC - in response to Message 625668.

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!



Germany never attacked the USA either....but they WERE the biggest problem and therefore the first target.

Next...


I suppose those U-boats off the coast of New York were just sight seeing.


Plus Japan aligned with Germany, who was indeed the more powerful. Not much we could do in the Pacific until we had time to regroup.

My Grandfather was Chief Electrician at Hunters Point Naval Base, S.F., and my Grandmother was a "Rosie the Riveter." She fabricated, inspected, polished, and loaded all sizes of shells used in aircraft and ships. I still have some She gave me.


I have a letter here somewhere from the president in honor of my Grandfather's design and implementation of the complete redoing of the facility. One Uncle was a submarine electrician and another worked under my Grandfather as an electrician.
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Message 625687 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:18:13 UTC - in response to Message 625669.

Ding-ding-ding

Round 1. GO!


Thanks, MrGray. I'm not sure, however, that I feeling like fighting with an unarmed man (BrainSmashR). If he wishes to compare WW2 to the Iraq War then I more than welcome the challenge. I will not be held responsible, however, for any damage I may do to his world view.


We are at war, American soldiers are being killed.

Both wars seem pretty damn similiar to me.


Similar in that they are both wars.

Let me list the differences:

WW2: A whole lot of nations vs. 3 nations
Iraq War: US vs. Iraq with a smidge of help from other nations


It's not a popularity contest. It's about right and wrong and the radical muslim terrorist hailing from the middle east were wrong to intentionally and without malice, target civilian populations.

WW2: Fought to preserve freedom
Iraq War: Fought to spread 'democracy'


we are not at war with Iraq, we are at war with radical islamic terrorists. As you mislabel yourself christians, you also have mislabeled the war efforst for your own personal reasons.


Why don't we attack Saudi Arabia? There's a lot more radical Muslims there than there are in Iraq.

WW2: Used the entire military rage and economy of the US
Iraq War: Using whatever troops and equipment we can scrounge


Try supporting the war effort rather than condemning it, hippy.

When was the last time you didn't have beef for dinner because it was sent to the troops?

WW2: Volunteer enlistment up after start of war
Iraq War: Volunteer enlistment down after start of war


More dope smoking hippies now, more terrorist sympathizers now, more gays now, more welfare leeches now, more minorities now etc, etc, etc

Nice try.

WW2: Wounded soldiers treated like heros by government
Iraq War: Wounded soldiers treated like left overs by government


You're opinion based on isolated incidents.

If you mean that the VA and DOD have isolated themselves from the war wounded, then you are correct.

WW2: Enemy easily identified
Iraq War: Enemy hiding amongst civilian population


Not our fault they are cowards. Incidentally, we didn't care about civilian losses of the ENEMY in WW2 either.


Your right on that point. We actually cared LESS about civilian losses in WW2. Why don't we fire bomb Baghdad?

WW2: Enemy united under one ideology
Iraq War: Enemy fractured into various dogmatic camps


Still then enemy.

Do you need more or is that enough?


Yes please.


Ok, now that I know where you're coming from, I'll give you my take on Iraq. We need to level any building, block, town, or city that the terrorists are using as a base of operations. We need to totally cut their supply lines.

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Message 625689 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:19:34 UTC - in response to Message 625687.


Ok, now that I know where you're coming from, I'll give you my take on Iraq. We need to level any building, block, town, or city that the terrorists are using as a base of operations. We need to totally cut their supply lines.



I agree 100%. Support the war effort!!
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Message 625690 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:20:28 UTC - in response to Message 625673.

80% of the terrorists involved were from Saudi Arabia and Al Queda was in Afghanistan!



Germany never attacked the USA either....but they WERE the biggest problem and therefore the first target.

Next...


Pearl Harbor: November 23, 1941

D day: June 6, 1944

WHO do you think we went after first?


German soldiers occupying France.


October 13, 1942 - The first U.S. Army troops, the 164th Infantry Regiment, land on Guadalcanal.

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Message 625692 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:20:55 UTC
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BS, aka:(BrainSmasheR): Machiavelli would be very pleased.
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