I know I will be disagreed...

But in my opinion, persons who destroy a life or a soul just because they want - I explicitly mean murderers(*) and rapists - don't earn to have the right to be treated as humans anymore. They are monsters and the society needs to be saved against them even by taking the monster's life. An animal which kills a human is killed though animals only attack humans either because of fear or other natural, instinctive reasons - so a murderer (see footnote) also earns to be killed.

* According to the German definition, a murderer is: "whoever kills a human being out of murderous lust, to satisfy his sexual desires, from greed or otherwise base motives, treacherously or cruelly or with means dangerous to the public or in order to make another crime possible or cover it up."

Looks like a plan to me.

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The death penalty is barbaric

So is locking people in Cages...But I wouldn't want them still on the streets. War is barbaric but we still seem to fight them. Most countries in the World are still barbaric...That is a part of living and dying. If you take a life in anger yours should be subject to the family of the one you took. That would be fair but then life ISN'T fair....

So that's all right then, we just respond to one form of barbarism with another? How is society to progress if we give an eye for an eye?

But what is the alternative? Just letting them go free? Why even bother to have the Law then?

It all boils down to a fundamental facet in the way a 'civilized society' works. In exchange for certain limitations on our freedom to do as we please, we are promised certain protections by the State. For instance, in exchange for giving up our freedom to go around taking that which isn't ours, the State promises us that our stuff won't be taken. In other words, there are laws against theft of property.

When one violates the Law, one places oneself outside the protection of the Law. Now, to help protect against punishing the innocent, the 'accused' lawbreaker finds themselves 'on trial', where the State must convince a group of the "accused's" peers that the 'accused' did, in fact, violate the law. Once that is done, 'punishment' begins.

In the theory of punishment, the punishment is supposed to be of equal severity to the magnitude of the 'crime'. Since exact 'eye-for-an-eye' justice is likely to run into the realm of 'cruel and unusual punishment' forbidden by the US Constitution, especially in cases where people are injured, loss of personal freedom of movement is usually substituted. In other words, confinement in Jail for a suitable period of time is held to be 'equivalent'.

For some, for instance, petty thieves, confinement for a few months is deemed 'equivalent'. This can range up to life in prison for certain crimes (including most murders). However, some people are just totally sick in the head. They commit the most TERRIBLE of crimes. These are well beyond simple, premeditated murder. The thought is that these people can be justly punished for their crimes ONLY by being forced to give up their own lives. Again, the death penalty does not apply to most murders. Only those crimes that are judged to be significantly worse than 1st-degree murder are even subject to the possibility of the death penalty.

Its not about 'deterrence'... Its not about 'rehabilitation'... Its about the criminal 'paying their debt to society' for breaking the law. Some laws are so minor that a small fine is considered paying one's debt. Others require confinement for a certain period. In a small number of the worst crimes imaginable, the only way for the criminal to 'pay their debt' is a visit to the Death Chamber.

Remember, the convicted criminal decided to remove themselves from the Protection of the Law and Civilized Society when they decided to go commit the crime. Giving one of these pieces of filth 'The Needle' is not murder. Murder is killing someone *without justification*. The State does have justification in snuffing these evilest of criminals for their misdeeds.

My heart tells me to kill them. But my mind warns me that death penalty can't be turned back in case someday it's proven that he/she is not guilty. Plus death penalty might be a too easy way out - rather have them rot.

My heart tells me to kill them. But my mind warns me that death penalty can't be turned back in case someday it's proven that he/she is not guilty. Plus death penalty might be a too easy way out - rather have them rot.

That's not exactly the way I would state it, nor for the same reasons, but I have to agree on the essence.

I have been very quiet, but now I post the original information that lead to this discussion

The original web link that started this discussion...

Dated July 20th 2007

The 4th of July 2007 in Pierce County Washington. a 12 year old girl disappeared. A description of the vehicle seen in the neighborhood and the wide coverage in the local news yielded the vehicle.

A week later the 12 year old girl was found dead.

The story goes as the owner of the vehicle gave a DNA sample. He was charged yesterday for two unsolved child rapes. He did help to locate the body of the 12 year old girl.

So the prosecutor has placed 6 detectives on the cases to potentially yield charges for a third murder rape of another (local) 12 year old girl and continue the original case.

He is a registered sex offender, he failed to register his new address as he had moved.

Seattle Times

He has since been charged with the murder... There have been inquires from out of state (previous locations of the accused) about other potential rape/murder/child disappearances...

You are welcome to read, research and then reevaluate your opinions...

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Like I said: such people are monsters, the society have to be saved from them. No-one lets a man-eating animal alive. But people who destroy souls and lives are kept alive, even get free after a couple years! If one is proved 100% to be a rapist and/or killer: rather execute them then feed them for the next 50 years or so.

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Here's a question. Which would you rather? A justice system that may convict an innocent person by mistake or a justice system that my set free a guilty person by mistake.

Think carefully. Especially when the death penalty is involved. Once a life is taken it can not be given back, no matter how much it is desired.

Of course the above does not apply in the RPG or MMORPG worlds where people can bring you back or in most other games, where you can just hit reload/load...

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Here's a question. Which would you rather? A justice system that may convict an innocent person by mistake or a justice system that my set free a guilty person by mistake.

Think carefully. Especially when the death penalty is involved. Once a life is taken it can not be given back, no matter how much it is desired.

Of course the above does not apply in the RPG or MMORPG worlds where people can bring you back or in most other games, where you can just hit reload/load...

After round tables i believe that the limit of judgement should be forced upon the people charged with such dispositions.

All of that should be assumed that those served the best of individuals and society as a whole. We can't take any more as the rest. Serve the proper....

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Here's a question. Which would you rather? A justice system that may convict an innocent person by mistake or a justice system that my set free a guilty person by mistake.

Think carefully. Especially when the death penalty is involved. Once a life is taken it can not be given back, no matter how much it is desired.

Of course the above does not apply in the RPG or MMORPG worlds where people can bring you back or in most other games, where you can just hit reload/load...

I would rather have a guilty person free than an innocent one in jail. This is why we have strict laws about the proceedings to convict.

There are some crimes where the perpetrator should never be free again. Of course if you convict the wrong person, it would be good to be able to free the wrongly convicted and appologize. I would like to note the innocence project that is using DNA evidence to prove that some people were wrongly convicted and put on death row.

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Here's a question. Which would you rather? A justice system that may convict an innocent person by mistake or a justice system that my set free a guilty person by mistake.

Think carefully. Especially when the death penalty is involved. Once a life is taken it can not be given back, no matter how much it is desired.

Of course the above does not apply in the RPG or MMORPG worlds where people can bring you back or in most other games, where you can just hit reload/load...

I would rather have a guilty person free than an innocent one in jail. This is why we have strict laws about the proceedings to convict.

There are some crimes where the perpetrator should never be free again. Of course if you convict the wrong person, it would be good to be able to free the wrongly convicted and appologize. I would like to note the innocence project that is using DNA evidence to prove that some people were wrongly convicted and put on death row.

That's why I mentioned in one of my posts (don't remember if it was here or on another board in a thread about the same subject): If someone is guilty of murder or rape beyond any doubt (means guilty proven to 100,0%, by DNA evidence & whatever tests possible), then --> execute the monster!
I think this statement implies to not execute that person as long as there is any doubt or any missing evidence.

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