...the alter ego of conspiracy is "denial."

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...the alter ego of conspiracy is "denial."

Denial is a river in Egypt.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

2) a suitcase containing a gas bottle for camping, a gallon of fuel, and some personal stuff (Dortmund); 3) a bagpack, containing a camping size propane gas cylinder, a bottle of benzene lighter fuel, a clock-watch, and some personal stuff supposed to be used for camping (Koblenz)... Hardly possible that they explode!

While not arguing whether this is genuine or not. Gas cylinders/bottles with fuel/gas can be dangerous. They can explode if left in the sun/heat.

It has happened several times in Aus mainly during summer, from bottles left in cars or on the back of utes for too long. Net result: Big bang and no car (cause then usually the fuel tank in the car then goes off as well).

So if left somewhere exposed they can be a risk. My father never leaves gas cylinders/bottles lying around. He never stores them in the house or garage, they are always outside in a brick cupboard under the BBQ (which stays cooler than the outside temperature in summer).

Main point, any gas or fuel left lying around is a potential risk and safety hazard. So they have to do something.

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Never surrender and never give up. In the darkest hour there is always hope.

2) a suitcase containing a gas bottle for camping, a gallon of fuel, and some personal stuff (Dortmund); 3) a bagpack, containing a camping size propane gas cylinder, a bottle of benzene lighter fuel, a clock-watch, and some personal stuff supposed to be used for camping (Koblenz)... Hardly possible that they explode!

While not arguing whether this is genuine or not. Gas cylinders/bottles with fuel/gas can be dangerous. They can explode if left in the sun/heat.

It has happened several times in Aus mainly during summer, from bottles left in cars or on the back of utes for too long. Net result: Big bang and no car (cause then usually the fuel tank in the car then goes off as well).

So if left somewhere exposed they can be a risk. My father never leaves gas cylinders/bottles lying around. He never stores them in the house or garage, they are always outside in a brick cupboard under the BBQ (which stays cooler than the outside temperature in summer).

Main point, any gas or fuel left lying around is a potential risk and safety hazard. So they have to do something.

I can understand that there is a danger about gas in the 40- 50°C hot days of an Australian summer, but not at the 25°C warm days of an average German summer.
In my opinion they are just exaggerating this security stuff here, only to spread panic among the population, just to get along with their stricter police state laws.

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2) a suitcase containing a gas bottle for camping, a gallon of fuel, and some personal stuff (Dortmund); 3) a bagpack, containing a camping size propane gas cylinder, a bottle of benzene lighter fuel, a clock-watch, and some personal stuff supposed to be used for camping (Koblenz)... Hardly possible that they explode!

While not arguing whether this is genuine or not. Gas cylinders/bottles with fuel/gas can be dangerous. They can explode if left in the sun/heat.

It has happened several times in Aus mainly during summer, from bottles left in cars or on the back of utes for too long. Net result: Big bang and no car (cause then usually the fuel tank in the car then goes off as well).

So if left somewhere exposed they can be a risk. My father never leaves gas cylinders/bottles lying around. He never stores them in the house or garage, they are always outside in a brick cupboard under the BBQ (which stays cooler than the outside temperature in summer).

Main point, any gas or fuel left lying around is a potential risk and safety hazard. So they have to do something.

I can understand that there is a danger about gas in the 40- 50°C hot days of an Australian summer, but not at the 25°C warm days of an average German summer.
In my opinion they are just exaggerating this security stuff here, only to spread panic among the population, just to get along with their stricter police state laws.

Let's not forget the deadly bottles of water that were banned from airline flights here in the US.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

2) a suitcase containing a gas bottle for camping, a gallon of fuel, and some personal stuff (Dortmund); 3) a bagpack, containing a camping size propane gas cylinder, a bottle of benzene lighter fuel, a clock-watch, and some personal stuff supposed to be used for camping (Koblenz)... Hardly possible that they explode!

While not arguing whether this is genuine or not. Gas cylinders/bottles with fuel/gas can be dangerous. They can explode if left in the sun/heat.

It has happened several times in Aus mainly during summer, from bottles left in cars or on the back of utes for too long. Net result: Big bang and no car (cause then usually the fuel tank in the car then goes off as well).

So if left somewhere exposed they can be a risk. My father never leaves gas cylinders/bottles lying around. He never stores them in the house or garage, they are always outside in a brick cupboard under the BBQ (which stays cooler than the outside temperature in summer).

Main point, any gas or fuel left lying around is a potential risk and safety hazard. So they have to do something.

I can understand that there is a danger about gas in the 40- 50°C hot days of an Australian summer, but not at the 25°C warm days of an average German summer.
In my opinion they are just exaggerating this security stuff here, only to spread panic among the population, just to get along with their stricter police state laws.

Ummm. Perhaps you could tell me which major city in Aus gets up to 40-50 degrees in summer? I can't think of any that get that high and I live here...

Have you ever left a car outside on a 'warm' day (warm being relative). Come back several hours later and found that the inside is significantly hotter. Kind of like an oven, it traps heat inside. Leave something that doesn't react well to heat in an environment like this and it can have nasty results.

When I said they have to do something I was not saying cause a security crackdown (unless there is perhaps a genuine reason). I was saying you can not leave something like that sitting around in the open/exposed. It has an associated risk. It must be removed. It may have been a genuine mistake, but even so, removal and safe storage are still required.

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Never surrender and never give up. In the darkest hour there is always hope.

2) a suitcase containing a gas bottle for camping, a gallon of fuel, and some personal stuff (Dortmund); 3) a bagpack, containing a camping size propane gas cylinder, a bottle of benzene lighter fuel, a clock-watch, and some personal stuff supposed to be used for camping (Koblenz)... Hardly possible that they explode!

While not arguing whether this is genuine or not. Gas cylinders/bottles with fuel/gas can be dangerous. They can explode if left in the sun/heat.

It has happened several times in Aus mainly during summer, from bottles left in cars or on the back of utes for too long. Net result: Big bang and no car (cause then usually the fuel tank in the car then goes off as well).

So if left somewhere exposed they can be a risk. My father never leaves gas cylinders/bottles lying around. He never stores them in the house or garage, they are always outside in a brick cupboard under the BBQ (which stays cooler than the outside temperature in summer).

Main point, any gas or fuel left lying around is a potential risk and safety hazard. So they have to do something.

I can understand that there is a danger about gas in the 40- 50°C hot days of an Australian summer, but not at the 25°C warm days of an average German summer.
In my opinion they are just exaggerating this security stuff here, only to spread panic among the population, just to get along with their stricter police state laws.

Ummm. Perhaps you could tell me which major city in Aus gets up to 40-50 degrees in summer? I can't think of any that get that high and I live here...

Have you ever left a car outside on a 'warm' day (warm being relative). Come back several hours later and found that the inside is significantly hotter. Kind of like an oven, it traps heat inside. Leave something that doesn't react well to heat in an environment like this and it can have nasty results.

When I said they have to do something I was not saying cause a security crackdown (unless there is perhaps a genuine reason). I was saying you can not leave something like that sitting around in the open/exposed. It has an associated risk. It must be removed. It may have been a genuine mistake, but even so, removal and safe storage are still required.

Once upon a time, that suitcase would have been regarded as misplaced luggage, period. Now, everybody is jumping at shadows. Why?

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

Once upon a time, that suitcase would have been regarded as misplaced luggage, period. Now, everybody is jumping at shadows. Why?

I can't answer that. But while yes many would not have 'worried' about it once upon I time, had I left it by mistake somewhere, someone then handed it in and they then discovered a gas cylinder I could have been charged/fined/slapped on the wrist for not being responsible enough/lack of care because of the perceived danger/hazard/safety risk should something happen.

I do not know if this is the same in Germany, but in Aus you leave something 'dangerous' around you can be held responsible. This was before the war on terror stuff and new anti-terror laws. Today you probably get in more trouble.

As I have said at least twice before (but it seems you do not understand me saying this) I am not agreeing or disagreeing on whether this is a terrorist act/potential terrorist act or a honest mistake or a setup.

All I am saying that it is not safe for a gas/fuel cylinder to be left lying around exposed. There are many ways that it could turn into an accident or disaster etc through deliberate/malicious or accidental actions.

After all, why are you taught not to leave household cleaners or medication within reach of children. Because they (the objects) pose a danger. Especially if the person near them does not recognize the danger.

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Never surrender and never give up. In the darkest hour there is always hope.

2) a suitcase containing a gas bottle for camping, a gallon of fuel, and some personal stuff (Dortmund); 3) a bagpack, containing a camping size propane gas cylinder, a bottle of benzene lighter fuel, a clock-watch, and some personal stuff supposed to be used for camping (Koblenz)... Hardly possible that they explode!

While not arguing whether this is genuine or not. Gas cylinders/bottles with fuel/gas can be dangerous. They can explode if left in the sun/heat.

It has happened several times in Aus mainly during summer, from bottles left in cars or on the back of utes for too long. Net result: Big bang and no car (cause then usually the fuel tank in the car then goes off as well).

So if left somewhere exposed they can be a risk. My father never leaves gas cylinders/bottles lying around. He never stores them in the house or garage, they are always outside in a brick cupboard under the BBQ (which stays cooler than the outside temperature in summer).

Main point, any gas or fuel left lying around is a potential risk and safety hazard. So they have to do something.

I can understand that there is a danger about gas in the 40- 50°C hot days of an Australian summer, but not at the 25°C warm days of an average German summer.
In my opinion they are just exaggerating this security stuff here, only to spread panic among the population, just to get along with their stricter police state laws.

Let's not forget the deadly bottles of water that were banned from airline flights here in the US.

Don't you know how dangerous DHMO is!? It's a part of most liquid poisons! To get it into your lungs is often deadly!
I'm surprised that Pretzels are still allowed after that terrible attack on the US President some years ago.

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2) a suitcase containing a gas bottle for camping, a gallon of fuel, and some personal stuff (Dortmund); 3) a bagpack, containing a camping size propane gas cylinder, a bottle of benzene lighter fuel, a clock-watch, and some personal stuff supposed to be used for camping (Koblenz)... Hardly possible that they explode!

While not arguing whether this is genuine or not. Gas cylinders/bottles with fuel/gas can be dangerous. They can explode if left in the sun/heat.

It has happened several times in Aus mainly during summer, from bottles left in cars or on the back of utes for too long. Net result: Big bang and no car (cause then usually the fuel tank in the car then goes off as well).

So if left somewhere exposed they can be a risk. My father never leaves gas cylinders/bottles lying around. He never stores them in the house or garage, they are always outside in a brick cupboard under the BBQ (which stays cooler than the outside temperature in summer).

Main point, any gas or fuel left lying around is a potential risk and safety hazard. So they have to do something.

I can understand that there is a danger about gas in the 40- 50°C hot days of an Australian summer, but not at the 25°C warm days of an average German summer.
In my opinion they are just exaggerating this security stuff here, only to spread panic among the population, just to get along with their stricter police state laws.

Let's not forget the deadly bottles of water that were banned from airline flights here in the US.

Don't you know how dangerous DHMO is!? It's a part of most liquid poisons! To get it into your lungs is often deadly!
I'm surprised that Pretzels are still allowed after that terrible attack on the US President some years ago.

Amazingly enough, there is an actual Material Safety Data sheet for Beer. If you like to drink, never, EVER, read it.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

Once upon a time, that suitcase would have been regarded as misplaced luggage, period. Now, everybody is jumping at shadows. Why?

I can't answer that. But while yes many would not have 'worried' about it once upon I time, had I left it by mistake somewhere, someone then handed it in and they then discovered a gas cylinder I could have been charged/fined/slapped on the wrist for not being responsible enough/lack of care because of the perceived danger/hazard/safety risk should something happen.

I do not know if this is the same in Germany, but in Aus you leave something 'dangerous' around you can be held responsible. This was before the war on terror stuff and new anti-terror laws. Today you probably get in more trouble.

As I have said at least twice before (but it seems you do not understand me saying this) I am not agreeing or disagreeing on whether this is a terrorist act/potential terrorist act or a honest mistake or a setup.

All I am saying that it is not safe for a gas/fuel cylinder to be left lying around exposed. There are many ways that it could turn into an accident or disaster etc through deliberate/malicious or accidental actions.

After all, why are you taught not to leave household cleaners or medication within reach of children. Because they (the objects) pose a danger. Especially if the person near them does not recognize the danger.

This little gas cylinder was not exposed. It was stuffed deep in that misplaced backpack. I mean, what size you can carry in a backpack? Must be more of a cartridge size.
Heck, When I was in the States in the 90's I had an Esbit cooker with me without getting into trouble:
Solid fuel in tablets!

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Once upon a time, that suitcase would have been regarded as misplaced luggage, period. Now, everybody is jumping at shadows. Why?

I can't answer that. But while yes many would not have 'worried' about it once upon I time, had I left it by mistake somewhere, someone then handed it in and they then discovered a gas cylinder I could have been charged/fined/slapped on the wrist for not being responsible enough/lack of care because of the perceived danger/hazard/safety risk should something happen.

I do not know if this is the same in Germany, but in Aus you leave something 'dangerous' around you can be held responsible. This was before the war on terror stuff and new anti-terror laws. Today you probably get in more trouble.

As I have said at least twice before (but it seems you do not understand me saying this) I am not agreeing or disagreeing on whether this is a terrorist act/potential terrorist act or a honest mistake or a setup.

All I am saying that it is not safe for a gas/fuel cylinder to be left lying around exposed. There are many ways that it could turn into an accident or disaster etc through deliberate/malicious or accidental actions.

After all, why are you taught not to leave household cleaners or medication within reach of children. Because they (the objects) pose a danger. Especially if the person near them does not recognize the danger.

This little gas cylinder was not exposed. It was stuffed deep in that misplaced backpack. I mean, what size you can carry in a backpack? Must be more of a cartridge size.
Heck, When I was in the States in the 90's I had an Esbit cooker with me without getting into trouble:
Solid fuel in tablets!

Here's how we solve the terrorist problem.

Step 1 - Round up everybody in the world
Step 2 - Ask them if they are a terrorist. If they say 'No.', then let them go on their way
Step 3 - Lock up everybody that says 'Yes.'

Think about it. What self respecting soon-to-be martyr would answer 'No.' to the question. That would be a denial of their beliefs.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

One of the 'targets' was Ramstein Air Base. Good luck with that one, boys. They've got guns there.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

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Before the 50s it was the evil Nazi, then until the 90s it was the evil Commies, now it's the evil Muslims - seems that some kind of people just can't go without an enemy. If there are none, they are made or invented, at all cost.

And the Nazis were not evil; the Commies (Stalin) were not evil; and the jihadists are ...

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Before the 50s it was the evil Nazi, then until the 90s it was the evil Commies, now it's the evil Muslims - seems that some kind of people just can't go without an enemy. If there are none, they are made or invented, at all cost.

And the Nazis were not evil; the Commies (Stalin) were not evil; and the jihadists are ...

Point taken. The Nazis were (and are) evil. Stalin was evil, even Lenin warned that they never should choose him as a head of state. But those Jihad suicide bombers are just misled.

But look at all these so-called "terrorists" here in Germany:
Ask yourself: Where should they get weapons from in a country with such a strict weapon control, without connections to some governmental service?
Were should some students and left-wing groups which are watched and even infiltrated anyway get all this support from which is needed for such operations?
Who really takes advantage from such actions (no matter what they are supposed to reach)?
When you ask this yourself then you will see my point.

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Before the 50s it was the evil Nazi, then until the 90s it was the evil Commies, now it's the evil Muslims - seems that some kind of people just can't go without an enemy. If there are none, they are made or invented, at all cost.

And the Nazis were not evil; the Commies (Stalin) were not evil; and the jihadists are ...

Point taken. The Nazis were (and are) evil. Stalin was evil, even Lenin warned that they never should choose him as a head of state. But those Jihad suicide bombers are just misled.

But look at all these so-called "terrorists" here in Germany:
Ask yourself: Where should they get weapons from in a country with such a strict weapon control, without connections to some governmental service?
Were should some students and left-wing groups which are watched and even infiltrated anyway get all this support from which is needed for such operations?
Who really takes advantage from such actions (no matter what they are supposed to reach)?
When you ask this yourself then you will see my point.

The Jihadist suicide bomber may be misled, but that is their probelm. The human race has another duty, i.e., to neutralize or exterminate them on sight before they commit mass murder or genicide.

Youths that play at the same game should fare no better and can't hide behind intellectualization as an excuse.

The concept is really quite simple, which is the preservation of innocent lives.

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Before the 50s it was the evil Nazi, then until the 90s it was the evil Commies, now it's the evil Muslims - seems that some kind of people just can't go without an enemy. If there are none, they are made or invented, at all cost.

And the Nazis were not evil; the Commies (Stalin) were not evil; and the jihadists are ...

Point taken. The Nazis were (and are) evil. Stalin was evil, even Lenin warned that they never should choose him as a head of state. But those Jihad suicide bombers are just misled.

But look at all these so-called "terrorists" here in Germany:
Ask yourself: Where should they get weapons from in a country with such a strict weapon control, without connections to some governmental service?
Were should some students and left-wing groups which are watched and even infiltrated anyway get all this support from which is needed for such operations?
Who really takes advantage from such actions (no matter what they are supposed to reach)?
When you ask this yourself then you will see my point.

The suicide bomber may be misled. The people training and directing the suicide bombers are evil.

Society has the right to protect itself.

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Once upon a time, that suitcase would have been regarded as misplaced luggage, period. Now, everybody is jumping at shadows. Why?

I can't answer that. But while yes many would not have 'worried' about it once upon I time, had I left it by mistake somewhere, someone then handed it in and they then discovered a gas cylinder I could have been charged/fined/slapped on the wrist for not being responsible enough/lack of care because of the perceived danger/hazard/safety risk should something happen.

I do not know if this is the same in Germany, but in Aus you leave something 'dangerous' around you can be held responsible. This was before the war on terror stuff and new anti-terror laws. Today you probably get in more trouble.

As I have said at least twice before (but it seems you do not understand me saying this) I am not agreeing or disagreeing on whether this is a terrorist act/potential terrorist act or a honest mistake or a setup.

All I am saying that it is not safe for a gas/fuel cylinder to be left lying around exposed. There are many ways that it could turn into an accident or disaster etc through deliberate/malicious or accidental actions.

After all, why are you taught not to leave household cleaners or medication within reach of children. Because they (the objects) pose a danger. Especially if the person near them does not recognize the danger.

If you don't belive that compressed gas is a hazard, here is a ling

How about a can of hair spray

acetylene cylinders?

a fuel tanker?

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Once upon a time, that suitcase would have been regarded as misplaced luggage, period. Now, everybody is jumping at shadows. Why?

I can't answer that. But while yes many would not have 'worried' about it once upon I time, had I left it by mistake somewhere, someone then handed it in and they then discovered a gas cylinder I could have been charged/fined/slapped on the wrist for not being responsible enough/lack of care because of the perceived danger/hazard/safety risk should something happen.

I do not know if this is the same in Germany, but in Aus you leave something 'dangerous' around you can be held responsible. This was before the war on terror stuff and new anti-terror laws. Today you probably get in more trouble.

As I have said at least twice before (but it seems you do not understand me saying this) I am not agreeing or disagreeing on whether this is a terrorist act/potential terrorist act or a honest mistake or a setup.

All I am saying that it is not safe for a gas/fuel cylinder to be left lying around exposed. There are many ways that it could turn into an accident or disaster etc through deliberate/malicious or accidental actions.

After all, why are you taught not to leave household cleaners or medication within reach of children. Because they (the objects) pose a danger. Especially if the person near them does not recognize the danger.

If you don't belive that compressed gas is a hazard, here is a ling

How about a can of hair spray

acetylene cylinders?

a fuel tanker?

Any object can be turned into a deadly weapon. Just ask the lifers in any prison. You don't see them banning toothbrushes on airlines but quite a few people have been maimed and killed by a sharpened toothbrush handle.

We have worked ourselves into such a lather that we are seeing terrorists and terrorist plots under every rock and behind every tree. Anybody here remember McCarthy?

It's time to sit back, take a deep breath, and start to think rationally again.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

Once upon a time, that suitcase would have been regarded as misplaced luggage, period. Now, everybody is jumping at shadows. Why?

I can't answer that. But while yes many would not have 'worried' about it once upon I time, had I left it by mistake somewhere, someone then handed it in and they then discovered a gas cylinder I could have been charged/fined/slapped on the wrist for not being responsible enough/lack of care because of the perceived danger/hazard/safety risk should something happen.

I do not know if this is the same in Germany, but in Aus you leave something 'dangerous' around you can be held responsible. This was before the war on terror stuff and new anti-terror laws. Today you probably get in more trouble.

As I have said at least twice before (but it seems you do not understand me saying this) I am not agreeing or disagreeing on whether this is a terrorist act/potential terrorist act or a honest mistake or a setup.

All I am saying that it is not safe for a gas/fuel cylinder to be left lying around exposed. There are many ways that it could turn into an accident or disaster etc through deliberate/malicious or accidental actions.

After all, why are you taught not to leave household cleaners or medication within reach of children. Because they (the objects) pose a danger. Especially if the person near them does not recognize the danger.

If you don't belive that compressed gas is a hazard, here is a ling

How about a can of hair spray

acetylene cylinders?

a fuel tanker?

Any object can be turned into a deadly weapon. Just ask the lifers in any prison. You don't see them banning toothbrushes on airlines but quite a few people have been maimed and killed by a sharpened toothbrush handle.

We have worked ourselves into such a lather that we are seeing terrorists and terrorist plots under every rock and behind every tree. Anybody here remember McCarthy?

It's time to sit back, take a deep breath, and start to think rationally again.

I am not old enough to have been through the McCarthy era, but it was a bad time. The basic problem was the erosion of the Constitutional protections (the exact same problem is rearing its ugly head today).

It is difficult for an individual armed with a knife (sharpened toothbrush) to take on more than a handful of people for very long. It is possible to use it just long enough to crash an airplane however. Yes weapons can be made out of anything, however, people get to worry about a weapon that a single person can use to kill or maim a large number of people. This limits the interest somewhat. Any weapon on an airplane is a danger, but on the ground a knife is of very little interest as it is too slow to do much dammage. After all, the knife weilder has to chase down each of the victims. The point is that it takes an explosive or a machine gun to kill several hundred (or several thousand) at once on the ground.

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