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Message 603052 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 23:45:54 UTC
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Bigotry in America

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Message 603361 - Posted: 14 Jul 2007, 15:35:35 UTC
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Its my experience that there is less bigotry in America now than there was 10 years ago. And, there was less then than there was 10 years before that. And so on.

First of all, the 'sodomy' movie. It was made (apparently) back in 1996. Since then, those laws have been struck down. Per a 2003 article on CNN.com:

Legal analysts said the ruling enshrines for the first time a broad constitutional right to sexual privacy, and its impact would reach beyond Texas and 12 other states with similar sodomy laws applied against the gay and lesbian community, and into mainstream America.


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As recently as 1960, every state had an anti-sodomy law, according to The Associated Press. In 37 states, the statutes have been repealed by lawmakers or blocked by state courts, the AP reported.

Of the 13 states with sodomy laws, four -- Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma and Missouri -- prohibit oral and anal sex between same-sex couples. The other nine ban consensual sodomy for everyone: Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia.


I cannot speak about laws in other states due to lack of specific knowledge about them, but in Texas, many years ago, all sexual activity was illegal except that between a man and a woman, married to each other, in the so-called 'missionary position' only. As time passed, these sorts of laws have been progressively relaxed. About the only law of this sort still on the books in Texas is the one nicknamed the 'dildo law' (Texas Penal Code, Section 43.21) which restricts possession of 'sex toys'. It is extremely rare that this law is enforced these days, and it is likely to be removed from the books sometime soon (either by the Legislature or more likely by the Courts).

So, yes, there used to be laws that backed up prejudice against 'sexual perversion'. However, as time has passed, many actions formerly considered perverted have become accepted into the mainstream. Sure, there are still some bigots against them, but time will take care of them as well. Nowadays, I would say that by and large, bigotry against consensual adult alternative sexual practices is a dead issue.

The issue raised in the second film you linked is a bit tougher. The issue some of the police officers in various places shooting minorities claiming that they thought that they had a weapon in their hands. I am not so sure that this issue can be considered to be 100% about racial prejudice. First of all, not every victim of a police shooting of this sort is a minority. Some of the victims are 'white'. Second, not every police officer in this sort of case is white. Some are minorities. I think that this is at least as much (and likely much more) a 'police training' issue as it is a racial prejudice issue.

Think about it. Many criminals today are much better armed than the police. Sadly, we frequently hear of situations where a Police Officer is shot and killed by a criminal. So, in any situation, even traffic stops, where a police officer has to confront someone, the possibility exists that the police officer will be shot. The police officers in this nation have good cause to be paranoid. Frequently, in these cases, there is very little light. The person the police officer is confronting makes a sudden movement of their hands, with the appearance of something either metallic or dark in their hands. The police officer has a split second to react, and the officer's life is, at least potentially, on the line. Most of the time the police officer makes the correct decision. Sometimes, they don't.

Maybe I am a little biased in this situation, having been on the receiving end of gunfire from criminals, back when I used to carry a gun and a badge. But then again, maybe not. I do not deny that there might be some element of racial prejudice in some of these cases. But, I still see the majority of these cases as a police training issue, not a bigotry issue.

Ok, now to the subject of the films themselves. I have never been a fan of Moore's films. In my opinion, he approaches serious issues with a bit too much irreverent comedy. Furthermore, in at least these two films, he makes use of a large number of negative stereotypes. Perhaps he is just using the device that Rush Limbaugh made famous: 'demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.' But, I am not a fan of it when Limbaugh does it, and I am not a fan when Moore does it.

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Message 603505 - Posted: 14 Jul 2007, 19:25:28 UTC

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Message 603514 - Posted: 14 Jul 2007, 19:35:19 UTC

Thanks KWSN - MajorKong,

I think Moore uses sarcasm to help illustrate the absurdity of the situations featured. It works for me because I get to laugh and cry about the issues. A little comic relief is required sometimes when looking at the way the world can be, and is.
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Message 603566 - Posted: 14 Jul 2007, 21:06:44 UTC

America Antisemetism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqo8jSkAqs

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Message 603582 - Posted: 14 Jul 2007, 21:26:41 UTC - in response to Message 603514.

I think Moore uses sarcasm to help illustrate the absurdity of the situations featured.

I like his style... ;)
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Message 603839 - Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 4:46:38 UTC
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Muslim Profiling on Fox News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkdDNNkRD3Y


Japanese profiling

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1666229366601415640&q=en




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Message 612390 - Posted: 31 Jul 2007, 7:31:47 UTC
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Prejudice and Obesity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Zv-W7Oh4o

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Message 615177 - Posted: 5 Aug 2007, 5:13:25 UTC

American History X:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1564035643569751368&q=

1 hr 58 min 50 sec
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Message 615243 - Posted: 5 Aug 2007, 12:00:18 UTC

I wonder how come it's always the unemployed or a minority complaining about bigotry when they have no problem stealing my tax dollars through welfare and minority specific programs...
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Message 615380 - Posted: 5 Aug 2007, 18:55:58 UTC
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White, employed people made the movie.

I work at a Hospital. Or were you referring to someone else?


Your the minority. You just haven't figured it out yet.


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Message 615577 - Posted: 6 Aug 2007, 5:24:56 UTC - in response to Message 615380.
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White, employed people made the movie.


What a coincidence, they're getting paid, you're still JUST complaining.

I work at a Hospital. Or were you referring to someone else?


Funny that you can use the term OR without understanding it's meaning when I use it as in poor or a minority


Your the minority. You just haven't figured it out yet.


LAF....Yeah, I forgot that white people comprise nearly 3/4 of the American population.
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Message 615591 - Posted: 6 Aug 2007, 5:40:25 UTC

Your an analog freak in a digital world,

Try thinking globally for just a moment. I don't want your head to pop from the strain.



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Message 615598 - Posted: 6 Aug 2007, 5:55:49 UTC
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Can Fox News Blame Anti-Mormon Bigotry on YouTube, Liberals?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvhrW7S1fVI


For Catholics: How to Speak With Mormon Missionaries. Part 1 of 4

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5978646546952322386&q=

See page for parts 2, 3, 4.


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Message 615635 - Posted: 6 Aug 2007, 7:06:31 UTC

A Brief History of the USA

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Message 618256 - Posted: 12 Aug 2007, 20:27:41 UTC

Date: Aug 12, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Church Learns Vet Was Gay - Cancels Memorial

ARLINGTON, Texas - A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.

Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister, Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of his survivors, she said, it was called off.
“It’s a slap in the face. It’s like, ’Oh, we’re sorry he died, but he’s gay so we can’t help you,”’ she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him for a heart transplant.
The church’s pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service, when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men “engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing.”

‘It’s not that we didn’t love the family’
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
“We did decline to host the service — not based on hatred, not based on discrimination, but based on principle,” Simons told The Associated Press. “Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it — yes, we would have declined then. It’s not that we didn’t love the family.”
Simons said the decision had nothing to do with the obituary. He said the church offered to pay for another site for the service, made the video and provided food for more than 100 relatives and friends.
“Even though we could not condone that lifestyle, we went above and beyond for the family through many acts of love and kindness,” Simons said.

Wright called the church’s claim about the pictures “a bold-faced lie.” She said she provided numerous family pictures of Sinclair, including some with his partner, but said none showed men kissing or hugging.
The 5,000-member High Point Church was founded in 2000 by Simons and his wife, April, whose brother is Joel Osteen, well-known pastor of the 38,000-member Lakewood Church in Houston. Now High Point meets in a 432,000-square-foot facility in Arlington, near Dallas.
Wright said relatives declined the church’s offer to hold the service at a community center because they felt it was an inappropriate venue. It ultimately was held at a funeral home, but the cancellation still lingered in some minds, she said.

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Message 625605 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:33:01 UTC - in response to Message 618256.

Date: Aug 12, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Church Learns Vet Was Gay - Cancels Memorial

ARLINGTON, Texas - A megachurch canceled a memorial service for a Navy veteran 24 hours before it was to start because the deceased was gay.

Officials at the nondenominational High Point Church knew that Cecil Howard Sinclair was gay when they offered to host his service, said his sister, Kathleen Wright. But after his obituary listed his life partner as one of his survivors, she said, it was called off.
“It’s a slap in the face. It’s like, ’Oh, we’re sorry he died, but he’s gay so we can’t help you,”’ she said Friday.
Wright said High Point offered to hold the service for Sinclair because their brother is a janitor there. Sinclair, who served in the first Gulf War, died Monday at age 46 from an infection after surgery to prepare him for a heart transplant.
The church’s pastor, the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair, who was not a church member, was gay until the day before the Thursday service, when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men “engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing.”

‘It’s not that we didn’t love the family’
Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, and it would have appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there.
“We did decline to host the service — not based on hatred, not based on discrimination, but based on principle,” Simons told The Associated Press. “Had we known it on the day they first spoke about it — yes, we would have declined then. It’s not that we didn’t love the family.”
Simons said the decision had nothing to do with the obituary. He said the church offered to pay for another site for the service, made the video and provided food for more than 100 relatives and friends.
“Even though we could not condone that lifestyle, we went above and beyond for the family through many acts of love and kindness,” Simons said.

Wright called the church’s claim about the pictures “a bold-faced lie.” She said she provided numerous family pictures of Sinclair, including some with his partner, but said none showed men kissing or hugging.
The 5,000-member High Point Church was founded in 2000 by Simons and his wife, April, whose brother is Joel Osteen, well-known pastor of the 38,000-member Lakewood Church in Houston. Now High Point meets in a 432,000-square-foot facility in Arlington, near Dallas.
Wright said relatives declined the church’s offer to hold the service at a community center because they felt it was an inappropriate venue. It ultimately was held at a funeral home, but the cancellation still lingered in some minds, she said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20221295/?GT1=10252



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Declined based on principles? Which principles are those? I'm still trying to figure out where in the Gospel Jesus said it was ok to despise someone because of the sexual orientation.

432,000 Sq ft? That's not a church, that's a mini-mall!

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Message 625610 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:37:52 UTC - in response to Message 625605.
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Declined based on principles? Which principles are those? I'm still trying to figure out where in the Gospel Jesus said it was ok to despise someone because of the sexual orientation.

432,000 Sq ft? That's not a church, that's a mini-mall!


'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.'
(Leviticus 18:22)

'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.' (Leviticus 20:13)

Once again, it's not rocket science. Maybe you should try reading the Bible if you intend on questioning the actions of the church.
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Message 625616 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 15:40:50 UTC

Funny how some people think every minority should be allowed to do as he/she pleases yet when someone with morals is offended and takes action, you just don't understand why...
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