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Message 582761 - Posted: 7 Jun 2007, 5:59:27 UTC - in response to Message 582747.

when disaster strikes, I'd rather evolution chooses people who survived on their own merit rather than ones who called for help on their cell phone.

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I don't know about you, but I have to say that I'm in favour of 'interventions' such as medical technology (and similar) that has allowed me and others to remain in the gene pool, giving me and others the opportunity to positively contribute to human society - how successful I've been remains to be seen (I'm not dead yet and so I haven't quite finished).

I must admit that I have a CP that is kept close at hand for emergency purposes. I have used it once for that reason, I-5 north of LA en route to Avenue of Giants marathon, someone shot out a tire on the rear of the Bimmer.
I called raadside assist immediately thinking I had had a blow out. Shortly after a guy carying a tire iron was approaching my wife and I shouting "You need help" but didnt look really friendly. I figured we were about to be mugged. Fortunately the Emergency road help arrived and the guy turned around and ran.
CHIPS later confirmed the findings of the BMW dealer that the tire had not had a natural failure, but a .30 Cal. bullet hole. There had been a shooter working the area for about a week prior to our incident.
Since this event, I keep the CP and a .357 in the glove compartment. I am almost 70 now and beginning to feel a little vulnerable in todays society.

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Message 582774 - Posted: 7 Jun 2007, 7:08:40 UTC
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i dont no about the usa? but here in the uk its against the law to us the phone while driving. you get a fixed penilty fine and 3 points on you driving licence,at the moment you can use hands free but i dont think it will be long before they stop that to.they say it is still a destraction using hands free.i dont think anything is that important to risk yours or someone else`s life to anser a call while driving. you can always pull up at the next sevices or if theres a stop of place thats safe to see who its from,if its that important they get back to you.

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Message 582812 - Posted: 7 Jun 2007, 11:10:26 UTC - in response to Message 582515.
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[Cell Phone / Mobile...] I'm too busy to have one interrupting me all the time.

I agree, but those high-power types and especially the sales-heros are only alive if they've got their hotline to the rest of the world! Quite a different type of living.

... "good for emergencies" ... You know, I'm more of a fan of disaster preparation and prevention...

I very much agree.

I remember meeting up with friends in the days before mobiles whereby beforehand you (a) arranged that you were to meet up and (b) agreed a firm time and place. With the mobile convenience its now more often a case of last moment 'maybe' ("spontaneous?...") and mobile guided 'wherever'... Very good for leaving indecision and indecisiveness until the very last moment!

I have a mobile that has proved to be useful on occasion. However, it doesn't get used much and any telesales that tries it gets nuked. An automatic complaint to Ofcom is generated. Don't know if any of 'em have ever hit with the £1000 fine.

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Message 582899 - Posted: 7 Jun 2007, 15:20:57 UTC - in response to Message 582747.

I'm all for technology helping people, and admit cell phones can prove ultimately useful in relatively rare cases. But I've personally seen cell phones purchased for "emergencies" turn people into indecisive, uncommitted masses of blubber completely ignorant and disrespectful to their immediate surroundings. That's all...

- Matt

when disaster strikes, I'd rather evolution chooses people who survived on their own merit rather than ones who called for help on their cell phone.

- Matt


Admitting to being a Social Darwinist?

I don't know about you, but I have to say that I'm in favour of 'interventions' such as medical technology (and similar) that has allowed me and others to remain in the gene pool, giving me and others the opportunity to positively contribute to human society - how successful I've been remains to be seen (I'm not dead yet and so I haven't quite finished).


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Message 582907 - Posted: 7 Jun 2007, 15:36:56 UTC - in response to Message 582899.
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... turn people into indecisive, uncommitted masses of blubber completely ignorant and disrespectful to their immediate surroundings.

Nicely put.

And following on close to cell phones are...

"Walkmans", "iPods", "mp3" players, any or all drip-feeding tinny crap at mega-volumes turning the recipients' brains into unsociable gibbering mush...

Worse still is the even more tinny top-hat drum cymbals beat squeaking out and the zombie expression if you try talk to the poor victim.

Should we all learn sign language?

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Message 583293 - Posted: 7 Jun 2007, 22:41:23 UTC - in response to Message 582761.

when disaster strikes, I'd rather evolution chooses people who survived on their own merit rather than ones who called for help on their cell phone.

- Matt


Admitting to being a Social Darwinist?

I don't know about you, but I have to say that I'm in favour of 'interventions' such as medical technology (and similar) that has allowed me and others to remain in the gene pool, giving me and others the opportunity to positively contribute to human society - how successful I've been remains to be seen (I'm not dead yet and so I haven't quite finished).

I must admit that I have a CP that is kept close at hand for emergency purposes. I have used it once for that reason, I-5 north of LA en route to Avenue of Giants marathon, someone shot out a tire on the rear of the Bimmer.
I called raadside assist immediately thinking I had had a blow out. Shortly after a guy carying a tire iron was approaching my wife and I shouting "You need help" but didnt look really friendly. I figured we were about to be mugged. Fortunately the Emergency road help arrived and the guy turned around and ran.
CHIPS later confirmed the findings of the BMW dealer that the tire had not had a natural failure, but a .30 Cal. bullet hole. There had been a shooter working the area for about a week prior to our incident.
Since this event, I keep the CP and a .357 in the glove compartment. I am almost 70 now and beginning to feel a little vulnerable in todays society.


< eh Pilot - had a number of incidents similar to yours back when i lived in Los Angeles (been in NC since June 2003) and there are reports of shootings on the highways / Interstates here as well (recently) . . . drag they have to be in this Society and taking pot-shots @ unsuspecting drivers . . . mi thinks they should be *eradicated* PERIOD . . . i personally don't like these type characters remaining in our Society - so what to do is the Real Question . . .


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Message 583356 - Posted: 7 Jun 2007, 23:35:31 UTC

The cell phone / text msg craze does have a down side. I returned to the campus where I went to college 30 some years ago, and was somewhat disappointed. The college green, once a great meeting/socializing area was now basically deserted. Instead of groups of people conversing, there were individuals talking or texting on cell phones and ignoring everyone else.

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Message 583440 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 2:08:59 UTC - in response to Message 582399.
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Personally I think that the "technical reasons" that the FCC cited - viz. interference with aircraft operational frequencies, are a crock - CP's operate on the 850-900 Mhz band - and there is nothing that civilian aircraft use that operates anywhere near that band! (radar is up in the 2.5 Ghz range, radio communications are down in the 120 Mhz area [AM, BTW] and navigation is all over the place, depending on which system you're talking about... but none are near 850-900 Mhz!) (Mhz= MegaHertz, Ghz= GigaHertz. 1 Hertz = 1 cycle per second)


Wrong.

For cellphones there are 4 bands in use: GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz!
But not only these bands are important. Think about resonance, interference and more of these things. That's one of the reasons that in hospitals CP's are not allowed. Not even in standby mode! On high care units and intensive care units CP's can disturb the high sensitive equipement. And that can cost someone his/her life!

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-Still - none of those frequencies are close to the bands civilian aircraft use! Nor are the second, third, or fourth overtones of those bands... (respectively, 2,3, and 4x the primary frequency - typically, on radio, the odd overtones are stronger than even ones...) There may be "image" problems, granted, but a properly designed superheterodyne receiver only has two of those to worry about. (one over, and one under the primary reception frequency...) (and the FAA can insist on a properly designed receiver!)

I was talking about the FCC's (Federal Communications Commission, a branch of the US Department of Commerce) cited reasons for denial of cell phone use in airplanes, in particular. I believe I recall that the proposal under consideration was that the plane itself would carry a (low power) cellular site onboard. (@ PoohBear -which would drown out the ground towers, by signal strength, "capturing" all CP's aboard.)

I'm also a Paul, BTW...
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Message 583668 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 12:33:34 UTC

I do have a CP but if everyone was using the CP as much as I do, let's just say that the CP companies would go bankrupt... Actually, I have not dialed a number for over a week on my cell phone. It must have rang about 2-3 times this week! And it was mostly about work in the morning.

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Message 583699 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 13:19:21 UTC - in response to Message 583440.


Personally I think that the "technical reasons" that the FCC cited - viz. interference with aircraft operational frequencies, are a crock - CP's operate on the 850-900 Mhz band - and there is nothing that civilian aircraft use that operates anywhere near that band! (radar is up in the 2.5 Ghz range, radio communications are down in the 120 Mhz area [AM, BTW] and navigation is all over the place, depending on which system you're talking about... but none are near 850-900 Mhz!) (Mhz= MegaHertz, Ghz= GigaHertz. 1 Hertz = 1 cycle per second)


Wrong.

For cellphones there are 4 bands in use: GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz!
But not only these bands are important. Think about resonance, interference and more of these things. That's one of the reasons that in hospitals CP's are not allowed. Not even in standby mode! On high care units and intensive care units CP's can disturb the high sensitive equipement. And that can cost someone his/her life!

Paul


-Still - none of those frequencies are close to the bands civilian aircraft use! Nor are the second, third, or fourth overtones of those bands... (respectively, 2,3, and 4x the primary frequency - typically, on radio, the odd overtones are stronger than even ones...) There may be "image" problems, granted, but a properly designed superheterodyne receiver only has two of those to worry about. (one over, and one under the primary reception frequency...) (and the FAA can insist on a properly designed receiver!)

I was talking about the FCC's (Federal Communications Commission, a branch of the US Department of Commerce) cited reasons for denial of cell phone use in airplanes, in particular. I believe I recall that the proposal under consideration was that the plane itself would carry a (low power) cellular site onboard. (@ PoohBear -which would drown out the ground towers, by signal strength, "capturing" all CP's aboard.)

I'm also a Paul, BTW...



Did you see the Mythbusters experiment involving cell phone use on aircraft. The results were astounding:

Episode # 063

Season Episode # 0312

Episode Name Cell Phones on Planes

Myths Tested Can a cell phone really cause a plane to crash?

Original Air Date March 15, 2006


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Message 583801 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 17:35:23 UTC - in response to Message 581934.

For example, I don't have a cell phone. It makes people rude, even you.

- Matt


I have one of those that you pay for by the year. I carry it in my pocket turned OFF. Should I need it for what ever reason I turn it on and use it then turn it back off. I also use it when traveling but leave it on so if there is an emergency back home I can be reached. They are wonderful devices but like you I don't like to be answering the telephone every time I turn around.

Things are looking good with the project. It appears the results are being processed almost as fast as before the extended down time.

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Message 583808 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 17:40:06 UTC - in response to Message 582354.

Insurance studies have now shown that (in terms of your chance of having an accident) talking on a cell phone while driving is equal to having an intoxication level of .08% - past the legal limit in many states. Rudeness aside, that's enough reason to make it illegal for me.


Using a handheld is now illegal in the UK -- standard penalty, £60 and
three points (12 points gets you an automatic ban) if you pay the fixed
penalty (likely to be higher if you take it to court). Subsequent research
has shown that accident levels are the same for people having conversations
with "hands free" kit, but I've heard no proposal to ban them yet.
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Message 583986 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 21:56:52 UTC - in response to Message 583699.



Did you see the Mythbusters experiment involving cell phone use on aircraft. The results were astounding:

Episode # 063

Season Episode # 0312

Episode Name Cell Phones on Planes

Myths Tested Can a cell phone really cause a plane to crash?

Original Air Date March 15, 2006


They did one where they drove leagally drunk and on cell phones too. In both cases they performed significantly poorer on the course by about the same margin.
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Message 584020 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 22:20:31 UTC - in response to Message 583986.



Did you see the Mythbusters experiment involving cell phone use on aircraft. The results were astounding:

Episode # 063

Season Episode # 0312

Episode Name Cell Phones on Planes

Myths Tested Can a cell phone really cause a plane to crash?

Original Air Date March 15, 2006


They did one where they drove leagally drunk and on cell phones too. In both cases they performed significantly poorer on the course by about the same margin.

My solution for the problem is as following.
If cited for DWI or illegal cell phone use the following penalty should be imposed, even on the likes of Paris Hilton;)
Conditions of punishment as follows.
Once each week rent a race track and charge admission for the events.
Each shall be brought to the same blood alcohol leve as when arrested.
50 percent of the perticipants will be made to drive their own vehicle clockwise around the track, while the rest will be required to drive counter clockwise.
Cell Phone abusers will be mixed in with the DWI drivers and required to answer or originate 1 call per lap.
All laps must exceede 75MPH average speed in ordered to be counted.
All insurance coverage is waived during the event, so if your car gets smashed, you have to pay out of your own pocket to have it repaired.
Punishment is not satisfied untill the required number of laps are completed.

1st Offense 10 laps
2nd Offense 20 laps
3rd Offense 40 laps
all additional 100 laps

City, County, and State agencies would make a fortune on the ticket sales.



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Message 584092 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 23:28:36 UTC - in response to Message 582761.



CHIPS later confirmed the findings of the BMW dealer that the tire had not had a natural failure, but a .30 Cal. bullet hole. There had been a shooter working the area for about a week prior to our incident.
Since this event, I keep the CP and a .357 in the glove compartment. I am almost 70 now and beginning to feel a little vulnerable in todays society.


One more reason to ban purchase and use of personal armament. If something can kill another human other than with use of physical force, people will use it by all means :(


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Message 584111 - Posted: 8 Jun 2007, 23:52:49 UTC - in response to Message 584092.
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CHIPS later confirmed the findings of the BMW dealer that the tire had not had a natural failure, but a .30 Cal. bullet hole. There had been a shooter working the area for about a week prior to our incident.
Since this event, I keep the CP and a .357 in the glove compartment. I am almost 70 now and beginning to feel a little vulnerable in todays society.


One more reason to ban purchase and use of personal armament. If something can kill another human other than with use of physical force, people will use it by all means :(


If the stats provided by the DOT and the Insurance companies hold up, then the combined use of Cell Phones and Motor Vehicles are responsible for more deaths and injuries than any other personal armament in the U.S.

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Message 584189 - Posted: 9 Jun 2007, 2:28:54 UTC - in response to Message 582447.

In my opinion, driving while talking on the phone kills more people than handguns in this country. It is a antisocial activity and should be banned.

heck, "medical misadventures" kill more people in the us each year than firearms do!

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Message 584200 - Posted: 9 Jun 2007, 2:51:28 UTC - in response to Message 584195.

There are many statistics that prove that the crime rate in countries/states/counties that have outlawed legal gun ownership has skyrocketed, because the criminals know that the law abiding now own no guns.

Countries that have high rates of gun ownership have high rates of firearm deaths & injuries.
Those that have low rates of gun ownership have low rates of death & injury due to firearms.



If people feel the need to continue this line of discussion then i think the Cafe would be an apporpriate place.
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