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Message 644466 - Posted: 19 Sep 2007, 20:25:21 UTC - in response to Message 643414.  

I concur that the World Bank - and the IMF are corrupt to their bones.
BUT: Epstein seems to ignore that the World Bank is not rewarding anti-capitalistic countries, quite the opposite. They only give money when its used by market mechanism, and refuse to give it when the countries don't want a deregulated, capitalistic market in their economy.

Well, duh. They exist to support deregulated, capitalistic markets. OF COURSE they wouldn't give money to anti-capitalistic countries, anymore than MoveOn.org would give money to Republicans, or you would give money to the klan.

First, developing countries must embark on strategies that help them attain these goals. In the areas of poverty and social development, this implies particular attention by policymakers to:

* Accelerating economic growth. Growth is the most powerful weapon in the fight for higher living standards. Faster growth will require policies that encourage macroeconomic stability, shift resources to more efficient sectors, and integrate with the global economy.

And that's why World Bank and IMF lend them the money to ridiculously high interests, I see...

No, if the rates are high, they're high because those that are borrowing the money are bad credit risks. The countries need the capital because they are incapable of producing it on their own.

* Improving the distribution of income and wealth. The benefits of growth for the poor may be eroded if the distribution of income worsens. But policies that promote better income distribution are not well understood; learning more about the impact of policies on distribution should be high on the agenda. (To learn more, read about Inequality)

reads wonderful. And they have to learn much more...

Like what? Following your lead?

[quote][quote]* Accelerating social development. Social indicators will benefit from improvements in economic growth and income and wealth distribution, but there is still room for policies that target interventions that appear to have a large impact on health and educational outcomes. At the top of the list are female education, safe water and sanitation, and child immunization, as well as safety nets to protect the most vulnerable. (To learn more, read about Safety Nets and Transfers.) Attention is also needed to the social structures and institutions which affect development (read about Social Capital).

if they only did that instead of letting people starve!

Hmmmm, well, Thorin, if they're "letting people starve," by withholding their resources, then you are doing the exact same thing, just on a smaller scale. If it's OK for you, it's OK for them.

Second, donors and international agencies must support countries that show a determination to take up the challenges of the Millennium Development Goals.

Like "free", decentralized markets? No way, sirs!!!

A) They don't care what you think. B) You haven't presented any argument whatsoever why decentralized markets shouldn't be used.


Third, international agencies must work with developing countries to strengthen country capacity to monitor progress on outcomes. This will involve ensuring that the statistical infrastructure in key countries is adequate to mount periodic surveys and analyze the data, and that there is capacity to conduct participatory studies and hear the voices of the poor.

Then open your ears and hearts to help them!

What are you waiting for? Why aren't you saving them?

Especially the World Bank knows exactly (at least theoretically) what poverty means. Their damn duty is to do something against it, instead of just another study, and another concept and another committee whilst people starve in reality!!!

Funny, these institutions are just gov't agencies, nearly incompetent, as always. And yet, you want these same fools to run our health care.
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Message 645315 - Posted: 21 Sep 2007, 0:35:10 UTC

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Message 645665 - Posted: 21 Sep 2007, 11:56:00 UTC
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On todays news...the Canadian Dollar is now on par with the United States Dollar in value...

...thanks to you and all your friends George, i.e. borrow and spend supply side economics boozos. Oh sure, it will be great for our exports, not that were manufacture anything near what we used to, and the cost of imports is going to go through the roof.

In a few more years we'll be using dollar bills for the same purpose the Chinese did with their papaer money in 1947. Chiang Kai-shek was known as Cash-My-Cheque, while the current Chinese masters hold a huge chunk of our treasury bonds.

Be afraid, very afraid. http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/20/markets/canada_dollar.ap/index.htm?postversion=2007092014
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Message 647090 - Posted: 23 Sep 2007, 11:44:49 UTC - in response to Message 645665.  

On todays news...the Canadian Dollar is now on par with the United States Dollar in value...

...thanks to you and all your friends George, i.e. borrow and spend supply side economics boozos. Oh sure, it will be great for our exports, not that were manufacture anything near what we used to, and the cost of imports is going to go through the roof.

In a few more years we'll be using dollar bills for the same purpose the Chinese did with their papaer money in 1947. Chiang Kai-shek was known as Cash-My-Cheque, while the current Chinese masters hold a huge chunk of our treasury bonds.

Be afraid, very afraid. http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/20/markets/canada_dollar.ap/index.htm?postversion=2007092014

B-b-b-b-ut what about health care? You seem to want the gov't to tax and spend, you seem to like your standard of living. You asked for this, and you're asking for more.

Oh, and it has nothing to do with supply side economics, the problem is taxing, borrowing, and spending, and it's mostly over-borrowing caused by over-spending.

And yet you think your "boozos" should borrow and spend even more.
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Message 647600 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 2:14:20 UTC - in response to Message 647090.  

B-b-b-b-ut what about health care?

Maybe you should put that in your sig... It seems to be in every post in every thread anyway... ;)
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Message 647723 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 7:47:35 UTC

... I think that each politician (and economists) should be held personally responsible for each of their decisions.
I still hope that happens some time, some place...
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Message 647732 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 8:06:51 UTC - in response to Message 647723.  

... I think that each politician (and economists) should be held personally responsible for each of their decisions.
I still hope that happens some time, some place...

Oh the hilarity! I mean, the humanity!
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Message 648054 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 19:25:38 UTC - in response to Message 647723.  

... I think that each politician (and economists) should be held personally responsible for each of their decisions.
I still hope that happens some time, some place...


Then surely your Holy Trinity of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin are roasting in H**l right about now... All the untold amounts of death and suffering that their economic theories and political decisions have caused over the years...


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Message 648070 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 19:53:27 UTC - in response to Message 648054.  
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... I think that each politician (and economists) should be held personally responsible for each of their decisions.
I still hope that happens some time, some place...


Then surely your Holy Trinity of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin are roasting in H**l right about now... All the untold amounts of death and suffering that their economic theories and political decisions have caused over the years...



Stalin for sure, and also all those who abused the ideas of humanity for their agenda of gaining power and more power. Marx was "only" a philosopher, who said about his own ideas that they remain to be challenged. And Lenin just misunderstood the revolution thing others before him taught about.
People like Bakunin and Berkman sure taught about a needed revolution, but they meant a revolution in the human minds, not a bloody revolution with weapons.
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Message 648072 - Posted: 24 Sep 2007, 19:58:58 UTC

Unfortunately it's a bit long, but I think it's a good story to think about, like most fables:

The Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant
by Nick Bostrom

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Message 649134 - Posted: 26 Sep 2007, 17:16:18 UTC
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...and then there's our clown!


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Message 649787 - Posted: 27 Sep 2007, 19:34:21 UTC - in response to Message 576473.  

Time for a new thread (this one was getting stretched anyway).
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