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Message 572531 - Posted: 20 May 2007, 22:37:14 UTC

For the past three to four weeks SETI processing has been down. Am I just wasting my time with this particular distributed project? Maybe I should be devoting my computer to the care for cancer instead?
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Message 572542 - Posted: 20 May 2007, 22:54:19 UTC - in response to Message 572531.  

For the past three to four weeks SETI processing has been down. Am I just wasting my time with this particular distributed project? Maybe I should be devoting my computer to the care for cancer instead?



As long as we, the users at home, continue to support SETI, I'm hopeful the program will continue. I'm very serious about SETI, even if others are not. I love the concept!




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Message 572545 - Posted: 20 May 2007, 23:04:15 UTC - in response to Message 572531.  

For the past three to four weeks SETI processing has been down. Am I just wasting my time with this particular distributed project? Maybe I should be devoting my computer to the care for cancer instead?

SETI...like other DC projects has downtown occasionally because of technical issues...That's why i'm attached to several other projects in addition to SETI...So when SETI goes down for a major overhaul like they have been undergoing recently...i will always have workunits to crunch.

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Message 572821 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 4:08:04 UTC

I guess we are just seeing the results of an operation run by academia and not business. Getting things back running smoothly after the big server crash doesn't seem to be a top priority with Berkeley; looks like they'd rather do gigs and go on vacations instead. I had participated in Stanford's big DC project, Folding@Home for 5 years before trying out Seti last year with 1 machine and then earlier this year switching most of my crunchers over to this project as I liked the BOINC interface much better than the clunky interface of F@H and I especially liked the way that BOINC let's me monitor each individual machine in the stats. F@H has nothing to compare to that, stats-wise. But at least the people involved with their project at Stanford don't just take off for a week or 2 when they have broken server code, like it is right now. It's just pretty damn pitiful right now and I'm about ready to abandon Seti and move on to a project that takes themselves a little more seriously.
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Message 572827 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 4:24:15 UTC - in response to Message 572821.  
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I guess we are just seeing the results of an operation run by academia and not business. Getting things back running smoothly after the big server crash doesn't seem to be a top priority with Berkeley; looks like they'd rather do gigs and go on vacations instead. I had participated in Stanford's big DC project, Folding@Home for 5 years before trying out Seti last year with 1 machine and then earlier this year switching most of my crunchers over to this project as I liked the BOINC interface much better than the clunky interface of F@H and I especially liked the way that BOINC let's me monitor each individual machine in the stats. F@H has nothing to compare to that, stats-wise. But at least the people involved with their project at Stanford don't just take off for a week or 2 when they have broken server code, like it is right now. It's just pretty damn pitiful right now and I'm about ready to abandon Seti and move on to a project that takes themselves a little more seriously.

I don't think business would care to be running an operation like SETI...Stockholders might not be happy with a large investment in an operation that is searching for signs of ET...Add to that the fact that such an operation is unlikely to ever make any profit...

There is no $5,000,000 CEO running SETI@home...and there is no large staff to maintain it...There are just a few paid employees and some volunteers...If business ran SETI@home this operation would have ended 2 or 3 years ago...There may be some faults in the ways and means of academia...just as there are in the ways of business...

Right now i'm going to curb my frustration and keep on waiting.

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Message 573133 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 20:08:31 UTC - in response to Message 572827.  
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I guess we are just seeing the results of an operation run by academia and not business. Getting things back running smoothly after the big server crash doesn't seem to be a top priority with Berkeley; looks like they'd rather do gigs and go on vacations instead. I had participated in Stanford's big DC project, Folding@Home for 5 years before trying out Seti last year with 1 machine and then earlier this year switching most of my crunchers over to this project as I liked the BOINC interface much better than the clunky interface of F@H and I especially liked the way that BOINC let's me monitor each individual machine in the stats. F@H has nothing to compare to that, stats-wise. But at least the people involved with their project at Stanford don't just take off for a week or 2 when they have broken server code, like it is right now. It's just pretty damn pitiful right now and I'm about ready to abandon Seti and move on to a project that takes themselves a little more seriously.

I don't think business would care to be running an operation like SETI...Stockholders might not be happy with a large investment in an operation that is searching for signs of ET...Add to that the fact that such an operation is unlikely to ever make any profit...

There is no $5,000,000 CEO running SETI@home...and there is no large staff to maintain it...There are just a few paid employees and some volunteers...If business ran SETI@home this operation would have ended 2 or 3 years ago...There may be some faults in the ways and means of academia...just as there are in the ways of business...

Right now I'm going to curb my frustration and keep on waiting.

Actually if big business were running SETI I believe that there would be a well paid CEO but you and i would be paying to run this programme probably somewhere in the region of $30 a month.
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Message 573201 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 21:29:50 UTC

NO. SETI Is just a catylist for BOINC.
Berkeley Dosn't care Unless we Find something
so the can get Exposure. The Problem is
We have crunched for several Years but the results
have never be analyzed.....
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Message 573333 - Posted: 21 May 2007, 23:54:34 UTC


. . . of course they arE


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Message 573902 - Posted: 22 May 2007, 21:19:11 UTC

As soon as a Nobel Prize is awarded for discovery, they will pour the bucks into the bit bucket.

I have made some modest money contributions, HAVE YOU??

Just waiting for resumption of data gathering from the big telescope.

Is there any chance of another telescope further south, and north of the limits of present big dish???

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Message 573931 - Posted: 22 May 2007, 21:57:15 UTC - in response to Message 573902.  

As soon as a Nobel Prize is awarded for discovery, they will pour the bucks into the bit bucket.

I have made some modest money contributions, HAVE YOU??

Just waiting for resumption of data gathering from the big telescope.

Is there any chance of another telescope further south, and north of the limits of present big dish???



I've made several modest money contributions. just look at the electric bill :p
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Message 573975 - Posted: 22 May 2007, 22:45:57 UTC - in response to Message 573821.  

One assumes that Berkeley encourages and supports ALL Boinc projects, it just seems that some are more suported than others.

Recent quote from Rosetta Admin David Baker.

I don't think we have any server limitations, and we have plenty of funds to upgrade the current hardware whenever necessary. the work shortage this morning was our fault--we haven't been accustomed to work units being processed so quickly. needless to say, we have huge amounts of work to do, and will be making sure that the queue doesn't go empty again. sorry about this! keep on crunching!


Its Ok for some....

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Message 574326 - Posted: 23 May 2007, 11:04:34 UTC

I think Berkeley is serious about SETI, as they have committed to the project, via Classic and BOINC, for over 8 years now.

Where the problem lies is the 2000/2001 sponsors dissappeared in the Tech Market collapse, and the hardware from then is now just wearing out.

No wonder, when it first major hardware failure came, things are taking time to sort out. As new hardware is moved in it exposes new problems/bottlenecks elsewhere in their connections and software.

All this will settle down, given time. In the meantime there is a large choice of distributed projects to keep the crunchers going while SETI is sorted.

Regarding staff commitment - remember they have lives outside their Berkeley jobs as well, and sometimes priorities will clash.
It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues



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