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Message 22475 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 2:45:18 UTC

It's now 7:30PM PDT, so I guess it's "end of day" at UCB...

This is a "holiday weekend" in the US, so I'd guess the SNAP folks won't snap until Tuesday!

Oh, wait, Cpredictor just told me that a rare storm decended on SSL and the SNAP box was sucked up and dropped in a landfill and turned into an "iceball"!!

The Scripts "predictor" app, also mentioned something about a SNAP box being folded upon itself, until it was small enough to fit in a cell...

That "new project" (sixpack?) also had news about a disk array being accelerated at the speed of light around a 27km track and it turned into anti-mater!

Hey, I'm just kidding folks, but it would be nice if we had an update. Just my opinion, as 7:30PM PDT, seems like a reasonable wait....
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Message 22476 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 2:48:13 UTC - in response to Message 22475.  
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> It's now 7:30PM PDT, so I guess it's "end of day" at UCB...
>
> This is a "holiday weekend" in the US, so I'd guess the SNAP folks won't snap
> until Tuesday!
>
> Oh, wait, Cpredictor just told me that a rare storm decended on SSL and the
> SNAP box was sucked up and dropped in a landfill and turned into an
> "iceball"!!
>
> The Scripts "predictor" app, also mentioned something about a SNAP box being
> folded upon itself, until it was small enough to fit in a cell...
>
> That "new project" (sixpack?) also had news about a disk array being
> accelerated at the speed of light around a 27km track and it turned into
> anti-mater!
>
> Hey, I'm just kidding folks, but it would be nice if we had an update. Just
> my opinion, as 7:30PM PDT, seems like a reasonable wait....
>
>



Jeeez I do not believe it but I am going to agree with you Woodrow......;o)


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Message 22479 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 2:50:23 UTC - in response to Message 22476.  


>
> Jeeez I do not believe I am going to agree with you Woodrow but I do......;o)

Thank you Pascal! We might have different views, but it's nice to know we can also agree!

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Message 22483 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 3:02:41 UTC
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I have about ! hours work left and then it's back to classic again
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Message 22490 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 3:28:21 UTC - in response to Message 22483.  

personally, i've never seen my queue so full, so it's of no concern to me... lol
between seti and lhc i may have too many wu's despite having my limits set to between 7 and 9 days
strangely it looks like i've got over 7 days for each project... i wonder.. is this a bug?
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Message 22491 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 3:31:06 UTC

Same here I still have works for the next 3 days on both machines
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Message 22503 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 5:06:11 UTC

Yeah! Boinc just told me:
--- - 2004-09-04 21:43:41 - May run out of work in 3.00 days; requesting more.... Tuesday is the 3rd day, so I hope they're up and running by then. L8R....

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Message 22505 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 5:25:07 UTC
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Message 22510 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 6:02:20 UTC

I did a previous post Friday morning here in
China, Thursday night US....I said reading
between the lines " we will be down overnight"
(paraphasing). I had a feeling it would be an all weekend
outage......go figure...
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Message 22631 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 15:10:30 UTC - in response to Message 22505.  
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> Starting to sound senseable out there. Now, if only they'd post the TIME of
> the post in GMT or UTC as well as the date as they have been doing, I'd say
> that I'd improved things a wee bit.
>
> I did notice some posters who looked at the second Sept. 3rd post almost a day
> after it was posted and thought it was a fresh post. Confused them.
>
> Happy Labor Day to all of us Laborers. And that is all of US. Even the Queen
> Bee labors away, eh?
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>

What's with the posted dates above? I posted a message here yesterday but the posted date is today: Posted: 5 Sep 2004 5:06:11 UTC . This is the date and approximate time of the post: - 2004-09-04 21:43:41 - . SETI@Home must be in a different space time continuum the the rest of us. :-O L8R....

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Message 22634 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 15:19:10 UTC - in response to Message 22631.  
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Message 22637 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 15:24:43 UTC

If you are interessted in state of work, I have no S@h,CPDN only crashes, ... .
But LHC is working fine.I was so glad to be one of the 1000 Testers.

I was in BOINC Beta,CPDN Beta ->there you learn to be calm. :-)

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Message 22639 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 15:36:53 UTC - in response to Message 22637.  
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> If you are interessted in state of work, I have no S@h,CPDN only crashes, ...
> .
> But LHC is working fine.I was so glad to be one of the 1000 Testers.

Yes, I'm quite impressed by the guys at LHC so far. Not only are they responsive on the message boards and timely with their brief but frequent news updates, but have been really good at finding us new WU's to crunch even though we have been crunching them way faster than they expected us to.

I thought they went above and beyond when they ran out of WU's and told us there would be no more until Monday - and lo and behold on SUNDAY - they produced something like 30,000 more WU's to keep us busy. Impressive IMO.


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Message 22641 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 15:42:28 UTC - in response to Message 22634.  

> > What's with the posted dates above? I posted a message here yesterday
> but the
> > posted date is today: Posted: 5 Sep 2004 5:06:11 UTC . This is
> the
> > date and approximate time of the post: - 2004-09-04 21:43:41 - .
>
> > SETI@Home must be in a different space time continuum the the rest of us.
> :-O
> > L8R....
>
> All the projects are running times set at UTC (Universal Time Co-ordinates)
> which used to be called GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) which the military - I
> assume even the U.S. military - calls Zulu.
>
>

I'd hate to see the wall they have with all the clocks that tell them what the "real" time is in all time zones. Maybe if they just went by PST/PDT (west coast USA, where they are located), the problems they keep working on would be done in a much more timely manner (don't worry, I'm one of the patient ones out here).

It's way too confusing for them to go by the "UTC". I have no idea where in the world (if it exists on this planet) "UTC" time is. I think they should use a time and date stamp from the individual PC that a post is posted from, maybe even a region stamp. I know it's possible, I used to program in C++. L8R....

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Rick A. - BOINCing right along now.... It can only get better! </p><p>"There is no fate but that which we make for ourselves."</p><p> Live Long and Prosper....</p>
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Message 22648 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 16:00:29 UTC - in response to Message 22641.  

I don't know about other operating systems, but if you use Windows, it has the option for changing what time zone you are in and it says what each zone is in regards to GMT (UTC). For example, I am in the Central Time zone for US and Canada and that is at -6h GMT. That means that at something 6PM UTC, that is the same as noon here.

They use UTC simply because it is simpler. It is the standard, and when you dealing with multiple time zones simultaneously, such as foreign military options, extensive international travel, multinational projects, you need to provide a standard time where everyone know exactly what is based on where they are located globally, or at least figure it out fairly easily. What happens in the business world sometimes (and I have seen this) is that someone in an conference call with someone a couple states away says "we're going to have another conference call with such and such at 2pm." Since that person is a couple states away in the next time zone, they are thinking in terms of their own time zone. But then it occurs to them that there are two times involved, so they end up having to clarify where that time was meant to be, and what time that ends up being for them. Now in that situation, UTC may not quite be the best alternative since it is still on a very small global scale since it is still in the States, even the lower 48. But when you have people on opposite sides of the world dealing with eachother, and computers on opposite sides of the world dealing with eachother, UTC has long been the recognized standard everywhere so it just makes sense to use it instead of PST, MST, CDT, EST, etc. Not everyone in this project is in the US.

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> > > What's with the posted dates above? I posted a message here
> yesterday
> > but the
> > > posted date is today: Posted: 5 Sep 2004 5:06:11 UTC .
> This is
> > the
> > > date and approximate time of the post: - 2004-09-04 21:43:41 -
>
.
> >
> > > SETI@Home must be in a different space time continuum the the rest
> of us.
> > :-O
> > > L8R....
> >
> > All the projects are running times set at UTC (Universal Time
> Co-ordinates)
> > which used to be called GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) which the military - I
> > assume even the U.S. military - calls Zulu.
> >
> >
>
> I'd hate to see the wall they have with all the clocks that tell them what the
> "real" time is in all time zones. Maybe if they just went by PST/PDT (west
> coast USA, where they are located), the problems they keep working on would be
> done in a much more timely manner (don't worry, I'm one of the patient ones
> out here).
>
> It's way too confusing for them to go by the "UTC". I have no idea where in
> the world (if it exists on this planet) "UTC" time is. I think they should
> use a time and date stamp from the individual PC that a post is posted from,
> maybe even a region stamp. I know it's possible, I used to program in C++.
> L8R....
>
> ---
>
> Rick A. - BOINCing right along now.... It can only get better!
>
</p><p>"There is no fate but that which we make for ourselves."</p><p>
> Live Long and Prosper....</p>
> <img> src="http://boinc.mundayweb.com/seti2/stats.php?userID=827&trans=off">
>
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Message 22652 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 16:11:08 UTC - in response to Message 22641.  


> Maybe if they just went by PST/PDT (west
> coast USA, where they are located)

Yes, but I live in the Mountain Time Zone so why should Pacific get priority or Eastern, or Atlantic, or European Central, or New Zealand? Which is, I am certain, why the decision was made to base everything on UTC which means for Pacific, subtract 7 hours from the time when Daylight Savings Time is in effect and 8 hours when Standard Time is in effect to get local time in the Pacific Time Zone.

> It's way too confusing for them to go by the "UTC". I have no idea where in
> the world (if it exists on this planet) "UTC" time is.

UTC=GMT = London, England

I think they should
> use a time and date stamp from the individual PC that a post is posted from,
> maybe even a region stamp. I know it's possible, I used to program in C++.
> L8R....

Much toooooooo confusing as with UTC/GMT you only have to do one subtraction/addition (whether you are east or west of GMT - unless you live in the UK, where you only have to worry about Summer Time) whereas you would really need to know your time zones and all the math to go with it if you wanted everything stamped with local time.

Case in point - take Adelaide, S.A., Australia which, presently, is 15½ hours ahead of Mountain Daylight Time but when we revert back to Standard Time and they revert to Daylight Savings Time is then 17½ hours ahead of Mountain Time but the figures are 16½/18½ hours for Pacific, 12½/14½ hours for Atlantic, 12/14 hours for Newfoundland time, etc.... It would be monumentally confusing to have to calculate the more than 24 time zones in the world (there are many ½ hours zones in existance) plus having to know if the region they live in uses Daylight Savings Time or not (i.e. the Province of Saskatchewan does not and the Province of Manitoba does but both are Central Time Zone or British Columbia which straddles both Pacific and Mountains Time Zones - you going to have your map of Canada handy to determine which time zone a person is in to calculate what the difference with yours is?).
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Message 22656 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 16:22:56 UTC - in response to Message 22652.  

I'm pretty sure Nova Scotia also uses a half hour, or at least used to. But I didn't think those places on the half hour used Daylight Savings because of the half hour "compromise." But the fact that some places do and don't participate in daylight savings (such as AZ which doesn't apparently), you have the confusing matter of when do you add or subtract what? Since from what you said UTC doesn't adjust for daylight savings (and I suppose it makes sense not to adjust the standard except when absolutely required), that I guess does add a minor complication to UTC. But it is still only a minor one.



> Case in point - take Adelaide, S.A., Australia which, presently, is 15½ hours
> ahead of Mountain Daylight Time but when we revert back to Standard Time and
> they revert to Daylight Savings Time is then 17½ hours ahead of Mountain Time
> but the figures are 16½/18½ hours for Pacific, 12½/14½ hours for Atlantic,
> 12/14 hours for Newfoundland time, etc.... It would be monumentally confusing
> to have to calculate the more than 24 time zones in the world (there are many
> ½ hours zones in existance) plus having to know if the region they live in
> uses Daylight Savings Time or not (i.e. the Province of Saskatchewan does not
> and the Province of Manitoba does but both are Central Time Zone or British
> Columbia which straddles both Pacific and Mountains Time Zones - you going to
> have your map of Canada handy to determine which time zone a person is in to
> calculate what the difference with yours is?).
>
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Message 22659 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 16:24:48 UTC

Whatever time zone you pick, it will be inconvenient for everyone in the other timezones.

The folks at Berkeley live on PDT or PST, so that is a good choice for them, and as good a choice as any for those who aren't on PDT.

Time converter -- click here

I don't blame them for taking a little time off during the holiday weekend.
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Message 22662 - Posted: 5 Sep 2004, 16:33:24 UTC

GMT does not mean London, England. It refers to Greenwich, England, which defines the prime meridian (zero degrees longitude). From the Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich ):

"The Royal Greenwich Observatory is located in Greenwich and the Prime Meridian passes through the building. Greenwich Mean Time was at one time based on the time observations made at the Royal Greenwich Observatory, before being superseded by Coordinated Universal Time. While Greenwich no longer hosts a working astronomical observatory, a ball still drops daily to mark the exact moment of noon, and there is a good museum of astronomical and navigational tools."

UTC is an invariant standard (no daylight savings times changes) and has the least "politically correct" baggage. It is therefore probably the "safest" time reference to use for any project of global proportions, and is reliable and unambiguous regardless of where any other user is located.

Using one's local time (Berkeley, as many have pointed out, is in the US Pacific Time zone) should also not be controversial, for that is where the headquarters of the project is sited.

Any other time stamp would be curious...

--Bill Z.
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