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Message 532041 - Posted: 16 Mar 2007, 5:03:45 UTC - in response to Message 532021.
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I would have recommended Maxtor; however, as Seagate has taken over Maxtor recently, I am hesitant to make such a recommendation. In my experience, and from friends' and colleagues' experiences with Seagate Drives - they tend to fail early and have even greater Dead In Box issues. I myself have had many such experiences in the past, and this has left a very VERY bad taste in my mouth pertaining to Seagate.


No, no, no! Maxtor is probably the only brand that should be totally avoided. I bought an quality-Maxtor HDD a year ago and I sent it back to the shop a week ago, because there were bad sectors and bad S.M.A.R.T.-values. Maybe Seagate will make Maxtor a somewhat better in the future, but I would not count on it. Please, do yourselves a favour and do not buy Maxtor HDDs.


Oh, I don't know about that. I've been buying Maxtor for over twelve years and have yet to have one fail on me.

Now Western Digital is another story. I have about twenty drives I've had to replace out of systems (or some that I bought myself giving WD a try) that all went into the garbage.

The only other brands that I actually trust are Fujitsu, IBM and Seagate (in order of least to most favored).

I've had Seagate(4096 series, Went through 10 to find one that worked, they were full height 5.25" bricks, MFM cables too), Hitachi, Maxtor and WD fail on Me. right now I have one 250GB Seagate sata and 5 Raptors(one 150GB and four 36GB).


So what you're trying to say is that all hard drives fail, huh? lol Never had a Hitachi, but I've had Fujitsu (and some have failed) and IBM (less have failed). WD just has to be the worse when it come to all the hard drives I've gone through in the many years I've been tinkering with computers. You couldn't pay me to take one!

Come to think of it, I had some Maxtor drives back in '89 that I still have in some of my older systems today that are still working. That's about 18 years ago! Too bad Maxtor was bought out, though at least they live on in Seagate (which is why they're my new most trusted HDD manufacturer).

Drive makers have bad batches, I've had the Raptors since Nov 2007, No problems. 10,000rpm and sata, nice. To each their own.
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Message 532063 - Posted: 16 Mar 2007, 5:13:55 UTC - in response to Message 532041.

Drive makers have bad batches, I've had the Raptors since Nov 2007, No problems. 10,000rpm and sata, nice. To each their own.


Yeah, unfortunately Maxtor never recovered their reputation from their bad batches. Though I've never actually encountered any of their infamous bad drives, plenty people apparently have and it has stuck with them long enough to kill the reputation of the company.

I would've rather seen it happen to WD though. From my experience they should've been the ones bought out and confined to the footnotes in history.
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Message 532071 - Posted: 16 Mar 2007, 5:28:42 UTC - in response to Message 532063.

Drive makers have bad batches, I've had the Raptors since Nov 2007, No problems. 10,000rpm and sata, nice. To each their own.


Yeah, unfortunately Maxtor never recovered their reputation from their bad batches. Though I've never actually encountered any of their infamous bad drives, plenty people apparently have and it has stuck with them long enough to kill the reputation of the company.

I would've rather seen it happen to WD though. From my experience they should've been the ones bought out and confined to the footnotes in history.

In any case I've had good ones from all I mentioned, Except Hitachi. Of course I've also had drives from other makers, But I can't remember some of them(Conner is one), None were bad though.
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Message 532133 - Posted: 16 Mar 2007, 11:30:43 UTC
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note: jumpin' in here for a moment Regarding SEAGATE & WD . . .

i personally have NEVER had a problem with EITHER of these Drives

safe when i used the WRONG CABLE - the latest cables (without LIGHTS please) worked like a charm . . . compatiblity issues w/ cables were THE ONLY Problems i ever encountered . . .

well - baCk ta Y'All . . . thought i might mention this!

[edit note] i always bought the Drives in California and now in North Carolina for the Past 4 Years . . .

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Message 533442 - Posted: 19 Mar 2007, 1:36:42 UTC - in response to Message 532041.

Drive makers have bad batches, I've had the Raptors since Nov 2007, No problems. 10,000rpm and sata, nice. To each their own.


I see you must have a time machine also...

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Message 533446 - Posted: 19 Mar 2007, 1:48:00 UTC

I wam not sure what this has to do with What is Needed! If it makes you feels good then so be it... User hardware versus Server hardware... What is posted, is what Seti needs... and there is a lot of email back and forth that you do not know about...

Stupid, Me I am only the messenger...

Thank You, to those that have responded and the 20th we will see changes...

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Message 533729 - Posted: 19 Mar 2007, 14:53:33 UTC - in response to Message 533442.

Drive makers have bad batches, I've had the Raptors since Nov 2007, No problems. 10,000rpm and sata, nice. To each their own.


I see you must have a time machine also...

;-)

I meant Nov 2006, I just have concentration problems as I'm disabled, So It does happen sometimes.
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Message 534868 - Posted: 22 Mar 2007, 1:05:36 UTC
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Evening Everyone

I received a copy of this Email this afternoon...

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Hello hardware donors,

I've BCCed you all on this so as not to violate the anonymity of those
that wish to remain anonymous.

Thanks to your donations, kryten is officially out of the mix, having
been replaced by "bruno" the dual 2.8GHz Xeon with 12GB RAM, 6x73GB
SCSI drives in a 2U case with 12x37 GB external FiberChannel drives.
This should help us avoid all of the upload problems we've had over
the last several months.

You all had a part in this. We couldn't have done it without you. Thank you!

Eric


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Thank You Everyone!

Edit:

Those donations represented around $6000 (known and unkown)


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Message 537838 - Posted: 28 Mar 2007, 13:37:53 UTC

I'm join in this projiect since 2007
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Message 537880 - Posted: 28 Mar 2007, 15:22:35 UTC - in response to Message 537838.

I'm join in this projiect since 2007


CONGRATULATIONS nelson - WelcoME to SETI BOINC . . .

@ Pappa - Thank You Sir!!! (for ALL thaT YOU arE doing within . . .;)



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Message 541538 - Posted: 6 Apr 2007, 0:29:49 UTC
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Okay things that are still needed:

Sata II 750 Gig Drives Times 24 about $248 on the internet. This will help to get data back and forth (Multibeam), and create proper storage towards Near Time Persistency Checking...

CHEETAH 73GB 10K SCSI HDD ST173404FC Fiberchannel 8+ needed...
This gets tougher... about the best going deal I can find is on eBay with a buy it now of $115 each
New Seagate ST173404FC CHEETAH 73.4GB Hard Drive Listed as New drives. this is to take care of the red lights in the NepApp Storage that should not have dismissed... "There are No Spares, but I did not say that..."

Now for the Server Side We see three high power Servers... We here people complain about "Where is the Science?" Well for Near Time Persistency Checking a New High Power server(s) are needed... There are roughly Half a GaZillion Results to run though it... And users keep shoving in another million a day.... Grin...

Next week I should have a small addendum to the list as they are sorting what they can work with if they do not get the new servers...

Regards

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Message 541721 - Posted: 6 Apr 2007, 7:51:22 UTC - in response to Message 541538.

Okay things that are still needed:

Sata II 750 Gig Drives Times 24 about $248 on the internet. This will help to get data back and forth (Multibeam), and create proper storage towards Near Time Persistency Checking...

CHEETAH 73GB 10K SCSI HDD ST173404FC Fiberchannel 8+ needed...
This gets tougher... about the best going deal I can find is on eBay with a buy it now of $115 each
New Seagate ST173404FC CHEETAH 73.4GB Hard Drive Listed as New drives. this is to take care of the red lights in the NepApp Storage that should not have dismissed... "There are No Spares, but I did not say that..."

Now for the Server Side We see three high power Servers... We here people complain about "Where is the Science?" Well for Near Time Persistency Checking a New High Power server(s) are needed... There are roughly Half a GaZillion Results to run though it... And users keep shoving in another million a day.... Grin...

Next week I should have a small addendum to the list as they are sorting what they can work with if they do not get the new servers...

Regards

Pappa

Sounds like Data is coming in like a runaway train. Well due to a psu problem, One of My PCs is out of action and a (new)5th is out till one for It can be bought in June.
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Message 546835 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007, 21:33:13 UTC

Sir Pappa, i cannot use any of the payment systems listed to donate money; therefore i need details of an appropriate bank account - acc number, bank name/address, sort code,acc name,and an ABA number.

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Message 546840 - Posted: 15 Apr 2007, 21:52:54 UTC - in response to Message 546835.

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Please email al.setiboinc (at) gmail.com (replace the (at) with the @ symbol) I will put you in touch with Eric to handle the transaction...

Sir Pappa, i cannot use any of the payment systems listed to donate money; therefore i need details of an appropriate bank account - acc number, bank name/address, sort code,acc name,and an ABA number.


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Message 558614 - Posted: 3 May 2007, 8:49:06 UTC - in response to Message 517119.


That would leave Seagate or Fujitsu.


...and Hitachi. For those whom may have forgotten; or, are unaware, a number of years ago Hitachi and IBM got together. Hitachi has taken over IBM's "Deskstar" Hard Drive line. These drives are very very solid.

I would have recommended Maxtor; however, as Seagate has taken over Maxtor recently, I am hesitant to make such a recommendation. In my experience, and from friends' and colleagues' experiences with Seagate Drives - they tend to fail early and have even greater Dead In Box issues. I myself have had many such experiences in the past, and this has left a very VERY bad taste in my mouth pertaining to Seagate.

As stated, Western Digital isn't much better as of late. About nine years ago, they, (in my opinion), shot themselves in the proverbial foot when they cut back their R&D and Q&A Departments. (Except for their High End Drives.) This has had me stay away from Western Digital since 1998.

However; Hitachi is a viable and strong drive. Check out the current "Deskstar" Line by them. Great warranty, great product.


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Timelord...Generally these are called DEATHSTARS for a VERY good reason, they are unreliable rubbish. Over the years of running SETI, 8 years now, I have run various machines and various numbers, and you can all imagine the hardware diversity that produced at times. There was a short period of time when I ran 54 machines at the same time, and in all that I had a mix of drives from WD, Seagate, Fujitsu, IBM, Samsung and Hitachi.

In those days, prior to the Hitachi/IBM marriage, Hitachi drives were solid and reliable, the old IBM deathstars where a pile of rubbish and I eventually replaced them all and binned them..couldn't be bothered to sell them on ebay or give them away they were that bad.

Overall Seagate IDE drives proved to be the most reliable, yes I had the odd failure, but the law of averages means some would, Fujitsu were also very strong, just difficult to obtain, WD drives are strong, but they do have firmware issues, they always have and I don't think WD give a stuff. I have moved Database files corrupted and even experienced this corruption on BMS systems that utilised WD drives. get rid of the WD's and the problem evaporates, it is not limited to Linux machines I can assure you of that.

Over the years the most reliable drives by a million miles is Seagate and Samsung. I have three machines running that are using old Seagate and one Samsung drive as the boot drives that are as old as my time in the project almost. One Seagate is actually older as it originated in a Dell XPS 400 I bought way back in 1996 and is a measly 10GB or there abouts..XP takes up half the drive!!

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Message 559884 - Posted: 5 May 2007, 2:36:25 UTC

REQUEST for anyone involved:

Can we have a documented list here of what has been donated hardware wise since January 1st please?

No names of donators...just specifically what hardware has been donated?

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Message 559984 - Posted: 5 May 2007, 4:29:39 UTC
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Is there an updated version of this list?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_budget.php

Also, it would help if the hardware needs were detailed better.
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Message 560027 - Posted: 5 May 2007, 6:42:39 UTC - in response to Message 559984.

Also, it would help if the hardware needs were detailed better.

Such as an explicit wish list?

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Message 560030 - Posted: 5 May 2007, 6:59:24 UTC - in response to Message 560027.

Such as an explicit wish list?

You read my mind. =;^)
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Message 560096 - Posted: 5 May 2007, 10:43:30 UTC - in response to Message 560030.

Such as an explicit wish list?

You read my mind. =;^)


I have about four tons of computer junk, some of it pretty new (2 years) containing among them five SUN E5500 fully expanded, memory, motherboard, small servers (Dual-Xeons) and so on. Some of it is taken home by staff, but most of it is going straight to recycling. I could pretty much swear that some of it would be usefull.
Problem is mostly shipping, but at least memory, motherboards and processors are possible to ship. Ontop of that we are sharing house with four other computer laboratories with about equal amount of junk. Together we could cram together some pretty monstrous servers which are running two year old technology.

So with a wish list...

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