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Greetings, SETI enthusiasts. As someone who primarily works "at arm's length" from the SETI@home/BOINC group most of the time, I mostly want to use my blog to give a behind-the-scenes perspective of what goes on here, from a sort of "fly-on-the-wall" point of view. I hope such a thing would be entertaining as well as informative. I guess that remains to be seen...hence the blog title, The Outsider's Inside View. Don't like it? Then suggest something else. I thought "The ET Insider" might get me in trouble with Paramount. Not that I watch such dreck anyway. | |
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I was brought to UC Berkeley by Eric Korpela, to analyze the atomic hydrogen (HI) spectra created as a (by)product of recording all this SETI@home data. We call this project SETHI, and I've been making datacubes from the over 14-million HI spectra taken with the Arecibo line feed. I do all sorts of other interesting radio astronomy work, about which I can bore you in a later post. Thanks for the post Kevin. So is there something special about the Hydrogen Spectra that we have been working on, on our home computers? Are you looking for anything in particular? What kinds of things could you potentially see in the data to make you stop and think "Ooh, that's interesting!"? What's a datacube? What is an 'average' day or week like in the SETI/BOINC team? I, and I'm sure many others too, am looking forward to being 'bored'. ____________ Join TeamACC Sometimes I think we are alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we are not. In either case the idea is quite staggering. | |
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Kevin Greetings, SETI enthusiasts. As someone who primarily works "at arm's length" from the SETI@home/BOINC group most of the time, I mostly want to use my blog to give a behind-the-scenes perspective of what goes on here, from a sort of "fly-on-the-wall" point of view. I hope such a thing would be entertaining as well as informative. I guess that remains to be seen...hence the blog title, The Outsider's Inside View. Don't like it? Then suggest something else. I thought "The ET Insider" might get me in trouble with Paramount. Not that I watch such dreck anyway. ____________ Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project. | |
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Hello Kevin. Welcome to the board. I am (a) Misfit. If you encounter any problems in your work feel free to blame me for it. In fact I've heard rumors of a "Blame Misfit" button starting in BOINC version 6. :-D | |
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Hi Kevin, this proud Canadian is glad to see that there is a Canadian on staff. | |
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Lately I've been dreaming about caves. Funnily enough, so have I. I have done some pot-holing and caving in the past and would love do some more in the future (if I can get the funds together). Have you been anywhere nice or interesting? Why caves? ____________ Join TeamACC Sometimes I think we are alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we are not. In either case the idea is quite staggering. | |
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Hi Kevin, nice to see you on (the) board. (pun intended!) | |
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WOOHOO!! A hockey fan among the scientists!!! | |
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Thanks for the post Kevin. And thank you for replying! So is there something special about the Hydrogen Spectra that we have been working on, on our home computers? Well, as I understand it, the 100-MHz bandwidth of SETI@home is divided into 40 2.5-MHz wide 'boards,' and I am only looking at Board 19, centered on 1420.0 MHz, since the 1420.4 MHz HI line falls in there. I think SETI@home data can come from any of the 40 boards, so less chance of picking up the spectral line. Are you looking for anything in particular? Eventually, yes. For now it will be an accomplishment just to get the survey done, ie. get all the datacubes made. So far 52 of my 144 datacubes are made. #53 should be finishing later today. What kinds of things could you potentially see in the data to make you stop and think "Ooh, that's interesting!"? Well, we know that interstellar hydrogen traces much of the structure of the Milky Way. We see all sorts of beautiful structures, from filaments to shells. What's a datacube? A datacube is a three-dimensional image, which we can create because we measure the HI line across many contiguous frequencies. So whereas an astronomical 'map' is a 2-d representation of the intensity on the sky (the dimensions are some sky coordinate pair, eg. right ascension & declination), we can map the HI line at each frequency we measure, and that corresponds to HI gas at a slightly different velocity with respect to us. Putting all those maps together in a stack, we get a 3-D dataset that we can view in 'movie mode' to trace out HI structures. What a cool job I have. What is an 'average' day or week like in the SETI/BOINC team? Well, I figure that's something for the interested reader to try and glean from our blogs, n'est-ce pas? Another dream about caves last night/this morning. My 9-yr-old son has asked me to try and keep track of my dreams and they've all been taking place in caves and other enclosed places lately. The coolest caves I've been to are the Camuy Caves that are about 30 minutes' drive from the Arecibo Observatory. NHL All-Star game tonight. Go Western Conference! ____________ | |
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What's a datacube? Is that velocity assumed to represent distance (Hubble constant an' all that) or do you also see galactic drift? Are you having to rerun all the tapes yourself or do you have to wait for whatever Matt psuedo-randomly squirts onto the disks? And what's doing the SETHI crunching? (Any pretty pictures of machine and results? ;-) ) Or is all that for next week's installment? :-) Regards, Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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[quote] Is that velocity assumed to represent distance (Hubble constant an' all that) or do you also see galactic drift?[\\quote] It's almost entirely because of the rotation of our Galaxy, but yes the velocity can still be used to infer distance if we have a good model of the rotation.
Matt splits the tapes for hydrogen for me. Once a spectrum enters the database I make a "beamfile" for it so I can properly weight the spectra when I make my cubes.
I have a few results on a website but not much just yet. Currently I have 14 SETHI cubes being crunched. 3 are on thumper, the master science database server. Any more than 3 and I'll incur the wrath of Bob. Three more are on ewen, which I think of as 'my' machine because we bought it for HI stuff, not SETI@home work. The remaining 8 are on a machine called lando, one of our newer multi-core systems. We have another one, sidious, that I'm waiting to be made available again so I can run about 6 more on that machine. It's having a few problems at the moment (I can tell you're all shocked to hear we have problems with our computers). Some tidbits from our science meeting yesterday. It's hoped that in February we'll have a client that will be ready to distribute SETI@home data from the new multibeam receiver (ALFA). This is by far a superior instrument than the line feed which has taken data since the inception of SETI@home - seven positions on the sky at once, and two polarizations per beam, so 14 times as much data to crunch, with much better systematics too. We have a student who's working on several graphics projects, so hopefully that will translate into more informative webpages for you all to read. Astropulse is coming along as well - there might be a client ready for beta testing quite soon. There's a large conference on Astrobiology in Puerto Rico this summer, at which SETI@home will try to have a significant presence - I'm supposed to write a paper on the spinoff benefits of SETI@home. As far as I can see there are at least three areas in which SETI@home has made an impact - computationally, technologically, and scientifically. Perhaps in a cultural way too? I'd be interested in opinions on this topic from people on the boards. Let me know what you think. ____________ | |
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". . . It's hoped that in February we'll have a client that will be ready to distribute SETI@home data from the new multibeam receiver (ALFA)" Well, That's Some Really Great News (Fingers *Crossed*) . . . w/ A Prayer Thanks for The Update . . . | |
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The remaining 8 are on a machine called lando, one of our newer multi-core systems. We have another one, sidious, Sorry to be way off topic, but in some relation to what you posted, are you/they naming your/their servers after Star Wars characters? Lando Calrissian and Darth Sidious? That's kinda cool if you/they are Star Wars fans. ____________ | |
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Is that velocity assumed to represent distance (Hubble constant an' all that) or do you also see galactic drift? Just to elaborate a bit on what Kevin said, the Hubble constant relating apparent recession-velocity to distance only applies on very large intergalactic scales, at which gravity becomes extremely weak and over which space is nearly flat. It’s no use at all within the Milky Way, where all the stars, gas, and dust are bound together in a common ‘gravity well’. Even our Local Group of galaxies is too small to follow the Hubble relation: indeed, an averaged spectrum from our Galaxy’s ‘big brother’ the Great Andromeda Galaxy (AKA M31 or NGC 224), at a distance of the better part of a megaparsec, actually shows a blue-shift. This indicates that it’s getting closer to us (or vice versa) rather than farther away, showing that gravity can still trump space-expansion over that range. Red-shift only becomes a reliable measure of distance at ranges from tens of Mpc up to Gpc. (A parsec—short for “parallax-secondâ€â€”is about 3.26 light-years.) ____________ | |
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The remaining 8 are on a machine called lando, one of our newer multi-core systems. We have another one, sidious, Yep, we ran out of Simpsons characters and aliens with names that start with K. I assume we'll have a vader at some point, too. Sidious is supposed to turn into a replica of the BOINC/user database machine, but it keeps on forgetting how many processors it has, hanging, and/or refusing to reboot properly. That's fine, if a bit annoying, for what Kevin does. As a high reliability database machine, it needs a bit of work before we can rely on it. [edit] Kevin's work is to finish up what we first started here. [/edit] -- Eric ____________ | |
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The remaining 8 are on a machine called lando, one of our newer multi-core systems. We have another one, sidious, Yeah, I like Star Wars just fine. I think it was Court who named these last two. It's kind of a slippery slope, though. You could get some awful names for machines if you made that your theme for your whole LAN. Lately sidious has been behaving more like a jarjar. But I see that overnight Eric has reconfigured it so I can crunch more SETHI data on it, so I've got 6 more jobs up and running. Three of my other cubes finished overnight, so I've got 58 completed, 86 more to go, and 20 currently being crunched on 4 different machines. I have to say, the excellent level of computing support I get is one of the things that helps me enjoy my work so much. Here's what's in my MP3 player (in response to Matt's post): Charming Hostess, Christian Vander/Magma, Univeria Zekt, Djam Karet, Egg, Ensemble Modern, Fire Merchants, Gentle Giant, Guigou Chenevier, VolApuk, Harmonium, Hatfield and the North, Heavy Ethics, Isildurs Bane, Explorer's Club, Lars Hollmer, Le Orme, National Health, Of Montreal, Pierrot Lunaire, Present, Queen, Tatsuya Yoshida, Adrian Belew, Weidorje, and XTC. At work I listen to Radio Keneally. Check it out! ____________ | |
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Yeah, I like Star Wars just fine. I think it was Court who named these last two. It's kind of a slippery slope, though. You could get some awful names for machines if you made that your theme for your whole LAN. Lately sidious has been behaving more like a jarjar. But I see that overnight Eric has reconfigured it so I can crunch more SETHI data on it, so I've got 6 more jobs up and running. Three of my other cubes finished overnight, so I've got 58 completed, 86 more to go, and 20 currently being crunched on 4 different machines. I have to say, the excellent level of computing support I get is one of the things that helps me enjoy my work so much. Do you guys specialise in only listening to obscure music? The only ones I have heard of on that list are Pierrot Lunaire (and I kind of wish I hadn't) and Queen. ____________ In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams | |
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