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Message 503880 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 3:31:55 UTC
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i was wondering if a socket a motherboard and mabe a 1900+cpu with matching ram would help seti
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Message 503926 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 6:18:50 UTC

I doubt it would be of any use to them. Just use it for crunching, or better yet, I'll take it off your hands :)

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Message 504002 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 11:44:32 UTC

Hi Daniel,

Actually the people at UCB maintain a wish-list of equipment which they could use in the project. There's also a contact email address. Here's the link.

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Message 504017 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 12:25:36 UTC - in response to Message 504002.  

Hi Daniel,

Actually the people at UCB maintain a wish-list of equipment which they could use in the project. There's also a contact email address. Here's the link.
Regards, Wander

I think the page needs updating, they no longer use the tape drives or tapes.

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Message 504053 - Posted: 16 Jan 2007, 14:03:36 UTC - in response to Message 504017.  

Hi Daniel,

Actually the people at UCB maintain a wish-list of equipment which they could use in the project. There's also a contact email address. Here's the link.
Regards, Wander

I think the page needs updating, they no longer use the tape drives or tapes.


Lol... you're right. I provided the link without even reading the page :-)
I guess the provided email is Daniel's best bet.

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Message 506001 - Posted: 20 Jan 2007, 18:04:14 UTC - in response to Message 504053.  

i already seen that page and i was just wondering since alot of the severs their using are less than 500mhz
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Message 506022 - Posted: 20 Jan 2007, 18:51:53 UTC - in response to Message 506001.  

i already seen that page and i was just wondering since alot of the severs their using are less than 500mhz

Yup, pretty bad huh?
Here is the list of all of the current ones:
* jocelyn: Sun V40z (2 x 1.8GHz Opteron, 8 GB RAM)
* thumper: Sun Fire X4500 (2 dual-core opteron, 8 GB RAM)
* kosh: Sun D220R (2 x 440MHz Sparc, 2 GB RAM)
* klaatu: Sun D220R (2 x 440MHz Sparc, 2 GB RAM)
* koloth: Sun D220R (2 x 440MHz Sparc, 1 GB RAM)
* kryten: Sun E3500 (6 x 400MHz Sparc, 6 GB RAM)
* galileo: Sun E3500 (8 x 400MHz Sparc, 7 GB RAM)
* penguin: Sun D220R (2 x 440MHz Sparc, 2 GB RAM)
I read somewhere they are trying to get enough money to replace kryten and klaatu.
Some big Company needs to see this list and say, "I can help"! Maybe Dell,
the Publicity could be invaluable!
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Message 506289 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 3:19:14 UTC - in response to Message 506022.  
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yeh i seen that 2 i figured my socket a 1900+ would be just as powerful or more than koloth if they could get some ram but i don't have a case for it thats why im not crunching with it
* koloth: Sun D220R (2 x 440MHz Sparc, 1 GB RAM)

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Message 506315 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 4:23:09 UTC

I thank You for the Offer...

Without more information it gets tougher. I would offer this explaination.

Most workstation style machines are good as a workstation. A Server type machine optimizes throughput for the system bus which allows for access to things like the network card and drives... This is normally a bit more "robust" that what you get in a workstation. Most workstation machine have issues going above 3 gig of RAM...

I already offered Eric a small Dell server that I own... Unfortuantely it really is not good enough to do the job... The failing thing would be the amount of RAM it can handle. For what is happening, the amount of RAM is a bit more critical. That allows the processess to be created and happen... Currently anything that replaces kryten or klaatu would need at least 8 gig of RAM...

So generally what is needed is a Dual Operton 270 with 8 gig of RAM (or higher)... As MultiBeam moves to Seti it could be put to the test...

If anyone wants to go investigate you can go to pricewatch.com servers and look at server hardware... If it makes your head spin, that is understandable...

I guess the bottom line is the money is needed to put together the server to replace kryten... Then salvaged items in kryten could bolster klaatu

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Message 506317 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 4:25:19 UTC - in response to Message 506289.  

yeh i seen that 2 i figured my socket a 1900+ would be just as powerful or more than koloth if they could get some ram but i don't have a case for it thats why im not crunching with it
* koloth: Sun D220R (2 x 440MHz Sparc, 1 GB RAM)

The dual 440 sparcs may out pace your 1900 when used in a server/database environment. One of the "Sun" specialist could tell you. Those processors have specific instructions sets and hardware design to streamline I/O operations over things like multimedia enhancements.



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Message 506363 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 7:24:38 UTC


Would a SuperMicro X5DA8-O with 2 x 3.06 GHz Xeons be of any use to them? I think I ran it with 2 or 4 GB ECC DDR-RAM, but it's expandable to 12 GBs.
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Message 506439 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 13:41:30 UTC - in response to Message 506363.  


Would a SuperMicro X5DA8-O with 2 x 3.06 GHz Xeons be of any use to them? I think I ran it with 2 or 4 GB ECC DDR-RAM, but it's expandable to 12 GBs.


I have forwarded your offer to Eric Korpela.
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Message 506444 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 13:52:56 UTC

I cannot promise anything; however, (as I have posted here: Possible Server may be available after the 29Th...), there are 3 Servers that are up and running but no longer connected to any Workstations; nor to the Web. These Servers are in an air conditioned Server Room connected to backup power.

The company that owned these machines went bankrupt. I have not seen them; so, have no idea as to the specifics of their hardware configurations, nor what OS they are on, nor what functions for which they were being run... Following the 29Th, I will be able to make the trip from SoCAL to NorCAL, (near Berkeley), if these machines go unclaimed by the notified Creditors. At that point I can check out the specifics of the three machines and find out if one of them can be a possible replacement for Kryten.

What I do know of these machines:

One is marked as an AMD 2.2 G System

One is marked as a P4

The third is unmarked.

All three are housed in Mid Tower Cases.

All three are up and running, connected to a KVM; but someone has already scavenged the monitor that was connected to that KVM. Thus, (after the 29Th, if these machines are still unclaimed), I will bring one of my spare 15" Monitors to hookup and check things out.

Finally, also in this Server Room is an APC Rack Mount UPS that is connected to no load at the moment. It is just plugged into AC Power and keeping itself charged. This also could be snagged if left unclaimed by the Creditors.

Of all of the above; whatever Eric or Matt don't want, I will snag. As my current cruncher is only an Athlon 1.6GHz system, I am drooling over the possibilities of that AMD 2.2GHz System. Plus, (even though I have no Rack), I could make use of that APC Rack Mount UPS. However; I want to give Eric and Matt first crack at a possible free replacement for Kryten.


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Message 506495 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 14:55:09 UTC

In case Eric would like some more info (it's a board + processors & HS/fan + ram, ie. no case, PSU nor drives) he's free to mail me... I'll get him my addy in that case.
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Message 506649 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 18:53:04 UTC - in response to Message 506363.  

Would a SuperMicro X5DA8-O with 2 x 3.06 GHz Xeons be of any use to them? I think I ran it with 2 or 4 GB ECC DDR-RAM, but it's expandable to 12 GBs.


It's a bit light on memory, but we could up that. I assume these are 32 bit Xeons? It doesn't matter that much except the 32 bit ones can't handle some of the large memory science and database tasks. Shouldn't be a problem with a kryten replacement. I also worry a bit about a 12GB maximum, although that would double kryten's RAM so it's most probably not a problem. I have a server meeting with Matt and Jeff tomorrow morning, so I'll discuss this machine, and TimeLordO4's machines versus the requirements for Koloth or Kryten replacement.
Personally, I'd be happy to reduce the number of SPARC machines to get closer to a Linux only environment.

If Jeff can come in that is. Jeff was out most of last week because his mother-in-law is very ill and lives in Santa Rosa (an hour's drive north of San Francisco).

We really do need to update the hardware-we-need list. We should especially list the specific types of memory we need. Memory upgrades are a problem it seems every machine is using a different type of memory.

The APC UPS might also be useful. He have a bunch of floor brick types, but a single rack mount might be able to replace two of those depending upon its capacity.

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Message 506660 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 19:28:23 UTC


Tell me about it. When I ordered the sticks for this board, I was contacted by the dealer, who inquired whether I was sure this was what I wanted, added that they didn't get many orders for that type of ram... especially not ECC - I told him it was. But we made a deal that if the sticks didn't work after all, that I could then return the sticks and get a refund.
But it's not like it's ultra-special ram - still available as far as I know... these sticks I got from Crucial.

Not sure about the Xeons, but I think you're right about the 32-bit..

ftp://download.intel.com/design/Xeon/datashts/25213506.pdf (3.06 GHz version)
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Message 506724 - Posted: 21 Jan 2007, 21:07:02 UTC - in response to Message 506315.  

I thank You for the Offer...

Without more information it gets tougher. I would offer this explaination.

Most workstation style machines are good as a workstation. A Server type machine optimizes throughput for the system bus which allows for access to things like the network card and drives... This is normally a bit more "robust" that what you get in a workstation. Most workstation machine have issues going above 3 gig of RAM...

I already offered Eric a small Dell server that I own... Unfortuantely it really is not good enough to do the job... The failing thing would be the amount of RAM it can handle. For what is happening, the amount of RAM is a bit more critical. That allows the processess to be created and happen... Currently anything that replaces kryten or klaatu would need at least 8 gig of RAM...

So generally what is needed is a Dual Operton 270 with 8 gig of RAM (or higher)... As MultiBeam moves to Seti it could be put to the test...

If anyone wants to go investigate you can go to pricewatch.com servers and look at server hardware... If it makes your head spin, that is understandable...

I guess the bottom line is the money is needed to put together the server to replace kryten... Then salvaged items in kryten could bolster klaatu

Thank You All

Pappa


even 2 gigs would be an impovement hey where not going for gold where just going for better than what we got now and my motherboard can support 4 gigs

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Message 506828 - Posted: 22 Jan 2007, 0:21:09 UTC

I stopped donating. There are certain things I’d like to see, things you had in the past that are just not their anymore, regarding science. Nope, I don’t expect you to cater to what I’d like. But there are many who would like to see the same things as me…science!

There are more part-time crunchers than big time crunchers, who produce more results. The number of crunchers has dwindled. Maybe with increase in computer power it’s not that important to have as many people…..I don’t know?

All you hear is “please donate” from everyone. It does not matter who says it or who is doing the collecting. There is NO oversight. And I would bet that there is someone who is using these forums to their own advantage!

Do you people think that Seti will shut down if there are not donations? You are TOTALLY wrong! Do you think they are building dishes that cost millions of dollars, “ACERES” of dishes…to let it all die or shutdown because they can’t analyze the data?

If you do…you need to visit “The SETI INSTITUTE” and look at the “Allen Telescope Array”. If Berkeley can’t handle the analysis they will find someone who can! But, Berkeley can handle the analysis because they are doing this in cooperation with “The Seti Institute”. $11.5 million dollars to build the telescopes and they are going to let the data analysis die because of….lets say half a million dollars? In any business there are certain places where the money goes first. Right now the money is going to build the dishes. At some point the money will go to ensuring the data analysis is state-of-the art and ready to keep things going!

The signals we are hoping to find have taken possibly millions of years to get here. That is why the analysis is not as important (at this day in time) as the need to start recording the information coming into the telescopes. That is what people don’t understand and why everyone feels SETI “seems” to be under funded. The analysis can wait. As long as the data has been recorded…….the analyzers (YOU) will always be on the back burner~!

The data can be analyzed any time. A missed signal…is gone forever!

I’m becoming a “Crystalize” fan!

http://www.seti.org/site/pp.aspx?c=ktJ2J9MMIsE&b=179290
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Message 507344 - Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 3:04:50 UTC - in response to Message 506495.  

In case Eric would like some more info (it's a board + processors & HS/fan + ram, ie. no case, PSU nor drives) he's free to mail me... I'll get him my addy in that case.

have u heard back from him yet
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Message 507367 - Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 4:14:02 UTC - in response to Message 507344.  

Daniel

Thank You, I know that Eric was spending the afternoon in the Dentists Office... I know that there are at least over 1200 other places I would rather be.


In case Eric would like some more info (it's a board + processors & HS/fan + ram, ie. no case, PSU nor drives) he's free to mail me... I'll get him my addy in that case.

have u heard back from him yet


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