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Message 498273 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 7:29:24 UTC
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1/6/2007

Two U.S. Border Patrol Agents have been sentenced to a
decade long prison terms for apprehending an illegal
alien at our border!

Almost as outrageous is that the illegal alien drug
smuggler, who was given immunity for testifying against
the agents is now suing the U.S. for $5 million, claiming
he was permanently injured!

I have just signed a petition calling for the President
to pardon these two Border Agents and I’m asking you to
join with me by clicking here for the full story and the petition:

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=12086235&NID=1
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Message 498575 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 16:04:28 UTC - in response to Message 498273.



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Thank you for signing the petition Demanding a Pardon for Border Agents Ramos and Compean

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1/6/2007

Two U.S. Border Patrol Agents have been sentenced to a
decade long prison terms for apprehending an illegal
alien at our border!

Almost as outrageous is that the illegal alien drug
smuggler, who was given immunity for testifying against
the agents is now suing the U.S. for $5 million, claiming
he was permanently injured!

I have just signed a petition calling for the President
to pardon these two Border Agents and I’m asking you to
join with me by clicking here for the full story and the petition:

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=12086235&NID=1
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Message 498593 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 16:25:16 UTC

This was one of the most absurd stories i have ever heard.

Immunity for a KNOWN drug dealer. Punishment for two agents trying to do their job.

I personally think that the prosecutor in this case shouild be fired and sent to Mexico.
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Message 498595 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 16:28:16 UTC - in response to Message 498593.

This was one of the most absurd stories i have ever heard.

Immunity for a KNOWN drug dealer. Punishment for two agents trying to do their job.

I personally think that the prosecutor in this case shouild be fired and sent to Mexico.


shhhhhh!!! - don't let anybody know this KM . . . but *he's* already in their poCkeEts . . . ;)

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Message 498597 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 16:28:53 UTC - in response to Message 498273.
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Re-POSTED 4 Tim . . . (and the 2 Agents)

1/6/2007

Two U.S. Border Patrol Agents have been sentenced to a
decade long prison terms for apprehending an illegal
alien at our border!

Almost as outrageous is that the illegal alien drug
smuggler, who was given immunity for testifying against
the agents is now suing the U.S. for $5 million, claiming
he was permanently injured!

I have just signed a petition calling for the President
to pardon these two Border Agents and I’m asking you to
join with me by clicking here for the full story and the petition:

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=12086235&NID=1
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Message 498603 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 16:32:23 UTC - in response to Message 498595.

This was one of the most absurd stories i have ever heard.

Immunity for a KNOWN drug dealer. Punishment for two agents trying to do their job.

I personally think that the prosecutor in this case shouild be fired and sent to Mexico.


shhhhhh!!! - don't let anybody know this KM . . . but *he's* already in their poCkeEts . . . ;)



Wonder how much that drug dealer and his cronies paid for that little bonus???

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Message 498612 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 16:41:36 UTC

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Message 498616 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 16:45:02 UTC - in response to Message 498603.

This was one of the most absurd stories i have ever heard.

Immunity for a KNOWN drug dealer. Punishment for two agents trying to do their job.

I personally think that the prosecutor in this case shouild be fired and sent to Mexico.


shhhhhh!!! - don't let anybody know this KM . . . but *he's* already in their poCkeEts . . . ;)



Wonder how much that drug dealer and his cronies paid for that little bonus???


@ KM . . .shhhhhhh!!!! - thEy got thE entirE 12,000 sq ft buildin' - on the eastside o' LA (the onE w/ the rats 'chewin' on the money's - they just have ta clear the rats out first - ALL other Contents are theirs ;)

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Message 498621 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 16:51:16 UTC - in response to Message 498612.

//signed//


On the face of it, this one sounds outrageous. I have signed as well. I wonder what facts prompted the judge to find against the two?
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Message 498635 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 16:59:04 UTC - in response to Message 498621.
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//signed//


On the face of it, this one sounds outrageous. I have signed as well. I wonder what facts prompted the judge to find against the two?


I think it may have been the fact that they shot the guy in the ass while he was attempting to flee. AFTER he assaulted the two agents.

Hell, I don't really know. It's just completely absurd. If the Border Patrol can't GUARD the borders, then what's the point of them being out there?

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Message 498641 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 17:09:34 UTC - in response to Message 498273.

Almost as outrageous is that the illegal alien drug
smuggler, who was given immunity for testifying against
the agents is now suing the U.S. for $5 million, claiming
he was permanently injured!

Now that is just nuts. OK, I had to sign (for as much good that it'll do)
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Message 498645 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 17:16:23 UTC

Adding insult to injury here with the illegal alien crap... Our wonderfully run Democrat controlled Senate just voted for allowing Illegal Aliens to have access to our Social Security retirement benefits!!! What kind of crap is that!!!???

I'm still fighting, (for over 2.5 years now), for my legitimate SSD and SSI claim that SSI keeps denying even though I have an SSI Specialist Law Firm fighting for me; yet, these Illegals are going to be free and clear to get SSI retirement benefits!!!??? WTF!!!???


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Message 498647 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 17:19:21 UTC - in response to Message 498645.

Adding insult to injury here with the illegal alien crap... Our wonderfully run Democrat controlled Senate just voted for allowing Illegal Aliens to have access to our Social Security retirement benefits!!! What kind of crap is that!!!???

I'm still fighting, (for over 2.5 years now), for my legitimate SSD and SSI claim that SSI keeps denying even though I have an SSI Specialist Law Firm fighting for me; yet, these Illegals are going to be free and clear to get SSI retirement benefits!!!??? WTF!!!???



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Message 498683 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 18:10:19 UTC

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Message 498701 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 18:45:22 UTC - in response to Message 498621.

I wonder what facts prompted the judge to find against the two?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Ramos
The first external link leads to an article in the Daily Bulletin, containing this quotes:
The agents did not report the shooting and Compean picked up his shell casings. The agents, who will be officially fired now that they have been sentenced, said in court that they thought Aldrete had a gun. They were convicted of various charges, including violating the smuggler's civil rights and tampering with evidence.

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After the sentencing Thursday, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton said that the Border Patrol badge is not "a license to shoot people, especially unarmed suspects who are running away from you, lie to your superior and write a false report."

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U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cardone said she took into account the risk to the agents in prison and the conduct of the victim when deciding on lenient sentences on most charges but that she could not reduce the 10-year mandatory, consecutive sentence mandated by federal law when a gun is discharged in the commission of a crime.

I don't know why there is this mandatory minimum of 10 years, but it's certainly not the judges fault that some lawmakers put it there (probably in the attempt to be seen as tough guys/gals).

I can only support Attorney Sutton: a uniform doesn't give you carte blanche, and definitely not for destruction of evidence.
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Message 498781 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 21:06:42 UTC

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Message 498814 - Posted: 6 Jan 2007, 22:46:25 UTC

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Message 498843 - Posted: 7 Jan 2007, 0:54:05 UTC

This is one of the most outrageous things I have ever heard!

I signed, and proud to admit it!
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Message 498860 - Posted: 7 Jan 2007, 1:53:15 UTC

I've done some Googling, and it's turned out to be very difficult to find anything about this from a reliable source (the shrieking from the conservative blogosphere doesn't count, but tends to drown out any other viewpoint through sheer volume), but here's the prosecution's side of the story:

Statement by US Attorney Johnny Sutton

Let me just make a couple of points.

Ramos and Compean were convicted of
* attempting to club the guy in the face with a shotgun, while he was trying to surrender
* shooting a fleeing suspect in the back
* tampering with a crime scene
* neglecting to report the incident

That is no way for law enforcement officials to behave. If they actually did these thigs, and I don't have any reason to doubt that the jury got it wrong, then I think a jail term is justified. Maybe 10+ years seems a bit harsh, but there is a reason that the upholders of the law have to be held to a higher standard.

I don't like the fact that Aldrete was given immunity from being charged with smuggling marijuana because he sounds like an absolute slimeball, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. If you've got a choice between prosecuting a known criminal or a crooked cop, surely you have to try to get the crooked cop.

Also, a lot is made of Aldrete trying to sue the US. A lot of harrumphing to the tune of "how can you let this Aldrete sue the US?" It's not a question of permitting him to do anything. As I understand it anyone is legally entitled to sue anyone for anything- he's not guaranteed success, and nobody could have prevented him anyway

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Message 498972 - Posted: 7 Jan 2007, 8:15:13 UTC

Golly, do you think Californias new idea to give illegals free medical care will help slow the flood of illegals ? Thank you Arnold
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