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Message 493547 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 3:09:48 UTC

Too bad he wasn't the worst of them to be met with a noose.
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Message 493554 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 3:24:41 UTC

His lawyer is stating that if he had NOT been convicted of this Saddam Hussein would still have had a chance at the next trial of the murders of 5,000 others...and his execution was therefore unfair.


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ps ----first to post he was dead..heheee.
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Message 493766 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 13:02:04 UTC - in response to Message 493554.

His lawyer is stating that if he had NOT been convicted of this Saddam Hussein would still have had a chance at the next trial of the murders of 5,000 others...and his execution was therefore unfair.



Leave it to a defense lawyer to come up with logic like that...lol

I agree with you R/B...good riddance.
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Message 493770 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 13:13:58 UTC - in response to Message 493766.
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His lawyer is stating that if he had NOT been convicted of this Saddam Hussein would still have had a chance at the next trial of the murders of 5,000 others...and his execution was therefore unfair.

Leave it to a defense lawyer to come up with logic like that...lol
I agree with you R/B...good riddance.

Whilst I will never agree that Saddam was never anything but a bloodthirsty tyrant who deserved to be
brought to justice, can you REALLY say that his trial was "fair".
George Bush said that this morning. I wonder if his view would be changed if HE was the subject of such a travesty of justice.
Surely a deaf-blind mute could have worked out that the Court was "stacked" and that Saddam had no
chance at all from the word "go".
If that is so, and if such is the new justice system under the new "democracy" imposed on Iraq by
America - where on earth is the end [reason] for a Court System at all?
I happen to believe that no man has the right to take another human's life. No way, not for ANY reason. All
it shows is that those who do are no better than the criminals they put to death.
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Message 493772 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 13:31:23 UTC - in response to Message 493770.

His lawyer is stating that if he had NOT been convicted of this Saddam Hussein would still have had a chance at the next trial of the murders of 5,000 others...and his execution was therefore unfair.

Leave it to a defense lawyer to come up with logic like that...lol
I agree with you R/B...good riddance.

Whilst I will never agree that Saddam was never anything but a bloodthirsty tyrant who deserved to be
brought to justice, can you REALLY say that his trial was "fair".
George Bush said that this morning. I wonder if his view would be changed if HE was the subject of such a travesty of justice.
Surely a deaf-blind mute could have worked out that the Court was "stacked" and that Saddam had no
chance at all from the word "go".
If that is so, and if such is the new justice system under the new "democracy" imposed on Iraq by
America - where on earth is the end for a Court System at all?
I happen to believe that no man has the right to take another human's life. No way, not for ANY reason. All
it shows is that those who do are no better than the criminals they put to death.

We talked about a rapist being arrested in Ipswich UK earlier and knee capping him, and then found he was let go because they found the real rapist. But we all know Saddam is the real Tyrant. We all KNOW it. We are civilized and have asked the Iraqis to try him and carry out the punishment in a civilized way, their civilized way including hanging and capital punishment, but accepted by all as their 'civilized' way.

I am happy with the outcome. I hope Saddam rots in hell.

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Message 493773 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 13:34:26 UTC - in response to Message 493547.

Too bad he wasn't the worst of them to be met with a noose.

Yeah, now we'll have peace in the Middle East! LOL :^D
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Message 493796 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 14:42:51 UTC - in response to Message 493772.
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I hope Saddam rots in hell.

Well, of course, now that he is gone, I echo that sentiment.
I still aver that the method of it all was simply NOT civilised - no matter WHICH way you cut the cards.
To argue that it was their civilised way is a fatuous argument. For to argue that is to also call into question
the main plank (after 3 re-tries for an excuse) of GWB's reason for going to war - to restore Democracy to Iraq.
Iraq NEVER had Democracy ... EVER!
Iraq came into being the same time as Jordan did - and by the same mandate. That mandate was the blue
pencil of a man in the British Dominions office. I worked for him for 3 years ... and I know the facts of the
matter.
Nevertheless, Democracy ALSO demands a certain standard of behaviour of the Government calling itself
a "Democracy". It also puts a great moral requirement on the Government IMPOSING that Democracy. The
USA has singularly and signally failed in all of the tests for this.
And, as Dune says, watch this space for peace ... !!!!!

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Message 493798 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 14:57:52 UTC

Who cares about the legitimacy of the trial? Do you seriously believe that that man was ever going to get off lightly? Didn't matter who was in the jury or how the case was prevented. He's right up there as one of the most hated men of the modern era. The reasons are obvious and self-evident. I for one didn't need the ceremony of a trial in order to judge that the man was guilty of crimes against humanity. Traditionally (as in the case with Nazi's guilty of similar crimes) the punishment for these offences is to be hanged.

The strange thing is that now that he has been executed he is no longer tried for the other cases against him. These cases could (in my opinion) still be tried (perhaps more fairly if you think it will make a difference) in order to reassert the correctness of the penalty already carried out.

The few people who will miss the tyrant are those of a minority in a small middle eastern country thats global relevance has been very much overstated.
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Message 493813 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 15:48:17 UTC - in response to Message 493798.
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Who cares about the legitimacy of the trial?

Well you should, for one ... if you claim to be a civilised member of the human race.
What would YOUR view be of a similar trial, with YOU as the culprit?
Please don't give me and idiot replies like ... "nah ... if I was guilty, I would accept it".
The fact is, you cannot cherry-pick civilised behaviour - i.e. take certain parts and leave the rest.
My comments were, and allways will be biased to a loathing for Saddam - but IF we are civilised, even
a loathsome creature like him should be treated by US (the supposed civilised Nations) in a way
and in accordance with our "civilised" mores.
And please don't make cheap jibes about "a country whose global significance has been overstated"!
You just might get some replies of that nature back in regard to Australia.

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Message 493819 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 15:54:51 UTC
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He got what he deserved.

I for one am happy that he didn't get a decade-long trial in The Hague,
just to probably bail out for medical reasons in the end.

Regards Hans

P.S: Irak is not Europe or the U.S. His trial probably was fair by local standards.
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Message 493824 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:00:08 UTC - in response to Message 493819.

He got what he deserved.
I for one am happy that he didn't get a decade-long trial in The Hague,
just to probably bail out for medical reasons in the end.
Regards Hans
P.S: Irak is not Europe or the U.S. His trial probably was fair by local standards.

With respect, Europe, given its record is not in a position to judge what is fair or not. And the question of
"fair or not" is NOT one that can be regionalised. Civilisation, I was led to believe is World - wide.

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Message 493825 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:01:00 UTC - in response to Message 493796.

I hope Saddam rots in hell.

Well, of course, now that he is gone, I echo that sentiment.
I still aver that the method of it all was simply NOT civilised - no matter WHICH way you cut the cards.
To argue that it was their civilised way is a fatuous argument. For to argue that is to also call into question
the main plank (after 3 re-tries for an excuse) of GWB's reason for going to war - to restore Democracy to Iraq.
Iraq NEVER had Democracy ... EVER!
Iraq came into being the same time as Jordan did - and by the same mandate. That mandate was the blue
pencil of a man in the British Dominions office. I worked for him for 3 years ... and I know the facts of the
matter.
Nevertheless, Democracy ALSO demands a certain standard of behaviour of the Government calling itself
a "Democracy". It also puts a great moral requirement on the Government IMPOSING that Democracy. The
USA has singularly and signally failed in all of the tests for this.
And, as Dune says, watch this space for peace ... !!!!!

I agree with you Bodley...the Trial was not in any way what we 'civilized' people would call a fair one. BUT it was as fair a Trial as possible under the circumstances at this point in time in Iraq. Hopefully future Trials in Iraq will move more and more towqards what we in the Western Civilized World think of as a 'Fair Trial'. The Judges did a job, the attorneys did a job, that under the circumstances was a place none wanted to be. There were several assination attempts against both Judges and the Attorneys. Saddam Hussein himself refused to behave as a Defendant should in a Trial, at least according to Western Standards. The ENTIRE Trial was televised to the whole World. The Judges findings were published, I do not know if it is publicly yet, and the finidings of guilt are supported by the Rules of Law. Saddam Hussein was tried and found guilty and hanged and is now dead. Hopefully now the Country of Iraq can move forward towards the Democracy all those dark blue fingers voted for a couple of years ago!
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Message 493826 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:01:13 UTC

The trial was not unlike calling the ocean wet. It was a show. As was much of Saddam's ranting and shouting self defence. He knew he was guilty and that he would be sentenced to death and this can be seen in his calm acceptance of his fate.

I don't even know what allegations, revelations or observations make the trail unfair but again it becomes irrelevant when you understand that the guilty man was found guilty, was executed accordingly, and no court in the world would have produced a different outcome.
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Message 493827 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:03:15 UTC - in response to Message 493824.
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He got what he deserved.
I for one am happy that he didn't get a decade-long trial in The Hague,
just to probably bail out for medical reasons in the end.
Regards Hans
P.S: Irak is not Europe or the U.S. His trial probably was fair by local standards.

With respect, Europe, given its record is not in a position to judge what is fair or not. And the question of
"fair or not" is NOT one that can be regionalised. Civilisation, I was led to believe is World - wide.


True.

I don't know how many people were unfairly sentenced to death, or just killed by their government today.

Saddam doesn't deserve special (or fair) treatment any more than any of these people.

It's a good thing he got judged in his own country IMO.


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Message 493830 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:04:20 UTC
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One has to wonder whether a people so stuck in the mud of violence can ever get themselves free and civilized. But the good news has to be found amongst the silent majority, and not amongst the violent minority. Aren't we expecting quick results in what has to be at least a 30 year process?

It's too early to tell, but I wish the Iraqi people the best.

In the meantime, I share in the great satisfaction that justice has been done, and that a terrible villain has been dethroned and hung.
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Message 493832 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:08:59 UTC

Perhaps it might have been a help if the extra 20,000 - 30,000 troops that GW has been thinking about sending were there now in order to help curb some of the expected upsurge in violence.

I would think that shutting down the violent acts would with time make them less frequent. Then you might hope (but why bother to pray) for a calmer, more workable Iraq.
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Message 493834 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:11:18 UTC

I don't know what to do still with Bodley...

I've been pondering that dilemma for months now.


What exactly IS A CIVILIZED method of execution? Is that what we are arguing over now?

ahem!

Oh...and before you gather your thoughts too much in protest. I'm against the death penalty too....but only for policy reasons. In other words, I mean we kill too many innocent people on the way to gutting the actual evil ones. In short, we're just not capable of carrying out an effective GENERAL death penalty. But in any given case? Sure....show me how to tie the knots.
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Message 493836 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:13:32 UTC - in response to Message 493834.

I don't know what to do still with Bodley...

I've been pondering that dilemma for months now.


What exactly IS A CIVILIZED method of execution? Is that what we are arguing over now?

ahem!

Oh...and before you gather your thoughts too much in protest. I'm against the death penalty too....but only for policy reasons. In other words, I mean we kill too many innocent people on the way to gutting the actual evil ones. In short, we're just not capable of carrying out an effective GENERAL death penalty. But in any given case? Sure....show me how to tie the knots.



Heya R/B, like I said the other day...maybe instead of spending billions a day getting innocent people killed over in Iraq (not that Saddam is innocent), we could instead use that money on our Seti project(s).


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Message 493843 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:23:58 UTC

Hey, Mike.

No. We're not going to be doing that. Those people 'over there' need a good killin'....and we know it.

We can't be wasting money on this nonsense. There's still good kill targets over there, man. what's the matter with you? Last time I checked out of here you reported to me your motorcycle seat had not dislodged your scrotum. Don't worry though. I know a good surgeon. His name is 'TWO STICH MACK'. He'll fix you right up.
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Message 493859 - Posted: 30 Dec 2006, 16:36:28 UTC - in response to Message 493843.

Hey, Mike.

No. We're not going to be doing that. Those people 'over there' need a good killin'....and we know it.

We can't be wasting money on this nonsense. There's still good kill targets over there, man. what's the matter with you? Last time I checked out of here you reported to me your motorcycle seat had not dislodged your scrotum. Don't worry though. I know a good surgeon. His name is 'TWO STICH MACK'. He'll fix you right up.


We can just sit back and watch them kill each other...no need to waste our ammo, we need it for the next country we need to invade so we can wag the dog.

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