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John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Server status was showing the Up/Down server administratively taken down and almost everything else was red, but everything is back to green now except the splitters. Unfortunately, work still won't upload. :-( Thanks A forced results send has got all my systems clear, and the credit (where appropriate) given. Looks like the staffers were in early! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
MikeSW17 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1603 Credit: 2,700,523 RAC: 0 |
That's no problem. Since we switched to Enhanced the result return rate dropped massively and can be handled by just one assimilator - it took all four to keep up before. There's no point in running more. Currently waiting assimilation are just 3 results. |
Astro Send message Joined: 16 Apr 02 Posts: 8026 Credit: 600,015 RAC: 0 |
yes, looks like someone came in a pushed the button. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Awwwright!! Took a bit, but all my rigs now have uploaded their WUs and reported their completed results. Another bump in the Seti road is history. And the kitties dance! "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Bernd Kramer Send message Joined: 16 May 02 Posts: 48 Credit: 4,851,182 RAC: 0 |
Awwwright!! Took a bit, but all my rigs now have uploaded their WUs and reported their completed results. Another bump in the Seti road is history. Yes uploading and reporting is possible again , but look at these error messages: 29.12.2006 18:21:32||Resuming network activity 29.12.2006 18:21:32|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01se99ab.13849.10224.765914.3.19_1_0 29.12.2006 18:21:34|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01se99ab.13849.10224.765914.3.14_2_0 29.12.2006 18:21:38|SETI@home|Finished upload of file 01se99ab.13849.10224.765914.3.19_1_0 29.12.2006 18:21:38|SETI@home|Throughput 6217 bytes/sec 29.12.2006 18:21:39|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01se99ab.13849.10224.765914.3.9_2_0 29.12.2006 18:21:40|SETI@home|Finished upload of file 01se99ab.13849.10224.765914.3.14_2_0 29.12.2006 18:21:40|SETI@home|Throughput 6380 bytes/sec 29.12.2006 18:21:42|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi 29.12.2006 18:21:42|SETI@home|Reason: To report completed tasks 29.12.2006 18:21:42|SETI@home|Reporting 2 tasks 29.12.2006 18:21:45|SETI@home|Finished upload of file 01se99ab.13849.10224.765914.3.9_2_0 29.12.2006 18:21:45|SETI@home|Throughput 5649 bytes/sec 29.12.2006 18:21:48|SETI@home|Scheduler request succeeded 29.12.2006 18:21:48|SETI@home|Message from server: Completed result 01se99ab.13849.10224.765914.3.19_1 refused: result already reported as error Completed result 01se99ab.13849.10224.765914.3.14_2 refused: result already reported as error 29.12.2006 18:21:53|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi 29.12.2006 18:21:53|SETI@home|Reason: Requested by user 29.12.2006 18:21:53|SETI@home|Reporting 1 tasks 29.12.2006 18:22:03|SETI@home|Scheduler request succeeded 29.12.2006 18:22:03|SETI@home|Message from server: Completed result 01se99ab.13849.10224.765914.3.9_2 refused: result already reported as error These two results where reported but refused because they are already reported ??? Take a look at the result link: every result has a validate error. What means that the error is continuing... I will stop any upload until next week .... greetings Bernd |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Awwwright!! Took a bit, but all my rigs now have uploaded their WUs and reported their completed results. Another bump in the Seti road is history. I'm afraid don't know what to tell you. After the upload server came back on line, the kitties uploaded about 170 WUs that I had pending on 8 different rigs, and then updated and reported them all. I just checked the logs on all of them, and saw no reports of any errors whatsoever after the uploading problem was taken care of. Maybe I just got lucky. Maybe the kitties have a special rapport with Seti. The only thing I could think of would be if your internet connection or comm settings are not the best, perhaps when the servers were so bogged down and communicating with them was very sporadic there may have been some incomplete acknowledgement from the server to your computer that the WU had finished (or not finished) uploading when communications got interrupted, and the WU ended up in a corrupted state on the Seti servers. I am on a 6016/768 dsl connection, so transfers are pretty quick. I am thinking this is maybe a comm problem rather that a server problem. Or maybe the WUs were in the process of being uploaded when the server crashed, and that corrupted them. But this is all conjecture on my part, just the only scenarios I can come up with. I am sure there will be a few more reports of this, there usually are when the upload server gets tied in a knot. Maybe someone can come up with a more concrete answer. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
UPDATE....In searching through my results earlier this afternoon, I found that I indeed was the recipient of a few of the dreaded validation errors. Oh well, comes with the territory I guess. And the kitties say.."Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it's off to crunch we go...." "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
david Send message Joined: 27 Dec 05 Posts: 1 Credit: 939 RAC: 0 |
it still doesn't work for me in the uk No downloads, and no uploads either |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
it still doesn't work for me in the uk Your computer shows a last contact date of today, and that you have a few workunits to crunch. Has anything changed? Is all OK now? If not, perhaps listing the information in the Messages tab would be helpful for us to determine what's going on. |
Sir Ulli Send message Joined: 21 Oct 99 Posts: 2246 Credit: 6,136,250 RAC: 0 |
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Now I'm getting It, What a way to end the year. Oh well. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Odysseus Send message Joined: 26 Jul 99 Posts: 1808 Credit: 6,701,347 RAC: 6 |
I get this error again. Me tooâ€â€very similar at least: Sun 31 Dec 17:55:02 2006|SETI@home|Started upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 Sun 31 Dec 17:57:02 2006||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site Sun 31 Dec 17:57:03 2006||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. Sun 31 Dec 17:57:03 2006|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0: http error Sun 31 Dec 17:57:03 2006|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 Sun 31 Dec 17:58:03 2006|SETI@home|Started upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 Sun 31 Dec 17:58:20 2006|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file Sun 31 Dec 17:58:20 2006|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0: transient upload error Sun 31 Dec 17:58:20 2006|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 Sun 31 Dec 17:59:20 2006|SETI@home|Started upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 Sun 31 Dec 17:59:39 2006|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file Sun 31 Dec 17:59:39 2006|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0: transient upload error Sun 31 Dec 17:59:39 2006|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 Sun 31 Dec 18:00:40 2006|SETI@home|Started upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 Sun 31 Dec 18:01:12 2006|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file Sun 31 Dec 18:01:12 2006|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0: transient upload error Sun 31 Dec 18:01:12 2006|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 Sun 31 Dec 18:02:12 2006|SETI@home|Started upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 Sun 31 Dec 18:02:31 2006|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file Sun 31 Dec 18:02:31 2006|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0: transient upload error Sun 31 Dec 18:02:31 2006|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 29 seconds on upload of file 09dc03aa.5003.25042.479804.3.176_3_0 The status page claims that the upload/download server on Kryten is running normally. |
Suzuki Send message Joined: 17 Sep 01 Posts: 318 Credit: 4,474,402 RAC: 1 |
I can't see a problem here. Uploads are fine - but downloads are a little flaky, probably due to loads of peeps trying at once. The Berkeley Boys seem to have done a cracking job as usual ... just there's loads of us trying to rectify our respective ends. Steve. Happy New Year!!! |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Yeah well My PCs don't seem to be able to upload at all. 12/31/2006 5:34:40 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:34:40 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.141_0_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:34:40 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 hours, 16 minutes and 17 seconds on upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.141_0_0 12/31/2006 5:34:41 PM|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 507] 12/31/2006 5:34:43 PM|SETI@home|Started download of file 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213 12/31/2006 5:35:05 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/31/2006 5:35:06 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213: http error 12/31/2006 5:35:06 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213 12/31/2006 5:35:06 PM|SETI@home|Started download of file 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232 12/31/2006 5:35:07 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/31/2006 5:35:08 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:35:08 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:35:08 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:35:27 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/31/2006 5:35:27 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232: http error 12/31/2006 5:35:27 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232 12/31/2006 5:35:28 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/31/2006 5:36:07 PM|SETI@home|Started download of file 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213 12/31/2006 5:36:09 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:36:28 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/31/2006 5:36:29 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/31/2006 5:36:29 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:36:29 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:36:29 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:36:29 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213: http error 12/31/2006 5:36:29 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213 12/31/2006 5:36:29 PM|SETI@home|Started download of file 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232 12/31/2006 5:36:51 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/31/2006 5:36:52 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232: http error 12/31/2006 5:36:52 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232 12/31/2006 5:36:53 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/31/2006 5:37:30 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:37:30 PM|SETI@home|Started download of file 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213 12/31/2006 5:38:00 PM|SETI@home|Finished download of file 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213 12/31/2006 5:38:00 PM|SETI@home|Throughput 12669 bytes/sec 12/31/2006 5:38:00 PM|SETI@home|Started download of file 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232 12/31/2006 5:38:01 PM||Starting 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213_0 12/31/2006 5:38:01 PM|SETI@home|Starting task 01dc03ab.21618.12608.972134.3.213_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 515 12/31/2006 5:38:14 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:38:14 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:38:14 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:38:23 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/31/2006 5:38:23 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232: http error 12/31/2006 5:38:23 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232 12/31/2006 5:38:24 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/31/2006 5:38:35 PM|SETI@home|Restarting task 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.155_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 515 12/31/2006 5:38:45 PM|SETI@home|Computation for task 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1 finished 12/31/2006 5:38:45 PM|SETI@home|Restarting task 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.140_3 using setiathome_enhanced version 515 12/31/2006 5:38:47 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:39:06 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:39:06 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:39:06 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:39:14 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:39:23 PM|SETI@home|Started download of file 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232 12/31/2006 5:39:36 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:39:36 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:39:36 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:39:39 PM|SETI@home|Finished download of file 05ja00aa.2938.22416.459638.3.232 12/31/2006 5:39:39 PM|SETI@home|Throughput 24137 bytes/sec 12/31/2006 5:40:07 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:40:18 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:40:18 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:40:18 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:40:37 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:40:58 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/31/2006 5:40:58 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0: http error 12/31/2006 5:40:58 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 42 seconds on upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:41:00 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/31/2006 5:41:18 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:41:39 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:41:39 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:41:39 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:41:48 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 25my00ad.22810.9136.990892.3.254_1_0 12/31/2006 5:42:09 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/31/2006 5:42:10 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 25my00ad.22810.9136.990892.3.254_1_0: http error 12/31/2006 5:42:10 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 47 minutes and 30 seconds on upload of file 25my00ad.22810.9136.990892.3.254_1_0 12/31/2006 5:42:11 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/31/2006 5:42:40 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:42:41 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:43:03 PM||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 12/31/2006 5:43:04 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0: http error 12/31/2006 5:43:04 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 8 seconds on upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:43:05 PM||Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 12/31/2006 5:43:15 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:43:15 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:43:15 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:43:39 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.68_0_0 12/31/2006 5:43:48 PM|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 12/31/2006 5:43:48 PM|SETI@home|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 12/31/2006 5:43:53 PM|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 507] 12/31/2006 5:43:55 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:43:55 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.68_0_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:43:55 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 hours, 54 minutes and 48 seconds on upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.68_0_0 12/31/2006 5:44:13 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:44:15 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:44:35 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:44:35 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:44:35 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 15 minutes and 17 seconds on upload of file 01dc03ab.21618.11312.540910.3.70_0_0 12/31/2006 5:44:36 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:44:36 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:44:36 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 43 seconds on upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:46:20 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:46:40 PM|SETI@home|Error on file upload: can't open file 12/31/2006 5:46:40 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed upload of 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0: transient upload error 12/31/2006 5:46:40 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 6 minutes and 5 seconds on upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.146_1_0 12/31/2006 5:46:44 PM|SETI@home|Started upload of file 25my00ad.22810.10352.928404.3.137_0_0 The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Seems to be getting common. Two of my rigs are giving the same Messages Tab as that given by Batman. This is from the UK! The results from show the servers may be down, as can be seen from the quote taken from the top of the said page ... Status for project: SETI @ Home The scheduler is accessible! You should be able to upload and download work. Download folder 'http://setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/' is inaccessible! Upload folder is inaccessible! Server status It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Ooops double post, in any case I prepared well, I have enough to last 3 days, although at the rate BatPC1 burns through the WU's that is a matter of debate. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Batman ... I am getting the same ... see my post below and between your two! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
arkayn Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 4438 Credit: 55,006,323 RAC: 0 |
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Fred G Send message Joined: 17 May 99 Posts: 185 Credit: 24,109,481 RAC: 0 |
Looks like it's back down. All mine have quit uploading. I have a feeling it's going to be a long holiday... :-( http://www.teamstarfire.org/ |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Well It's a case of hurry up and wait, And I'm doing both. ;) The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
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