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By William J. Broad | |
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This belongs in the Science forum. | |
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This is the Science forum. | |
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This is the Science forum. That's where it is now. Back on topic, please. ____________ Account ... | |
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That also is the size of large viruses. But most scientists do not consider viruses to be independent living organisms because they cannot reproduce on their own. Viruses hijack another organism's biological machinery to replicate. This could be argued forever but hijacking and replicating sound very life-like to me. Viruses do things rocks can't do. Deliberately doing anything at all seems like a definition of life. ____________ | |
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Yes Jim, I would tend to agree. To say that a virus is not a life-form because it needs a living host in order to reproduce is like saying a human without access to oxygen is not a lifeform because it cannot survive. | |
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That also is the size of large viruses. But most scientists do not consider viruses to be independent living organisms because they cannot reproduce on their own. Viruses hijack another organism's biological machinery to replicate. It's not that they don't consider viruses to be lifeforms, they merely don't consider them to be independent lifeforms, meaning that viruses could not be found to thrive on their own without the presence of other life. Scientists still consider viruses to be lifeforms. | |
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It's not that they don't consider viruses to be lifeforms, they merely don't consider them to be independent lifeforms, meaning that viruses could not be found to thrive on their own without the presence of other life. Scientists still consider viruses to be lifeforms. Is anybody reading this an independent lifeform? Without the presence of other life, I (and other creatures too) would die of starvation. ____________ Join TeamACC Sometimes I think we are alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we are not. In either case the idea is quite staggering. | |
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It's not that they don't consider viruses to be lifeforms, they merely don't consider them to be independent lifeforms, meaning that viruses could not be found to thrive on their own without the presence of other life. Scientists still consider viruses to be lifeforms. Agreed. The only things I can think of that we ingest that have never lived are water and minerals like salt and iron. Everything else is a life form and our lives depend on eating them. We're totally dependent on the presence of other life forms including those that live inside us. The biggest difference is that we know how to accessorize with condiments :-) ____________ | |
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The biggest difference is that we know how to accessorize with condiments :-) haha... Yes that and also that we tend to kill the other life-forms before ingesting them. It occurs to me know that almost all life is dependant on other life-forms to survive. Whether it be as part of a healthy diet or as the bacterial activity the digests the food in the stomach, there is much co-dependance. ____________ Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004. Search for your own intelligence... | |
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That also is the size of large viruses. But most scientists do not consider viruses to be independent living organisms because they cannot reproduce on their own. Viruses hijack another organism's biological machinery to replicate. I can't reproduce on my own, but I still consider myself to be an independent life form (depending on the technical meaning of the term independent in this context). I'm not sure about the use of the word deliberate here, it sounds too much like conciousness to me. I don't believe plants choose to do anything (by deliberation or even by instinct), they can automatically respond to their environment in seemingly clever ways, but these seemingly clever ways came out of a long evolutionary process. The plants that are less well adapted to their particular current habitats will not reproduce as much as the more well adapted, as the 'better' plants begin to take over their habitat, food supplies, etc. ____________ Join TeamACC Sometimes I think we are alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we are not. In either case the idea is quite staggering. | |
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