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Message 447726 - Posted: 1 Nov 2006, 13:31:02 UTC
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. . . How do You feel regarding this Petition ???

. . . BILL ON ILLEGAL DOMESTIC SPYING (Petition)



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Stop Unlawful Government Spying on U.S. Citizens
Dear [Congress member],

As your constituent, I strongly urge you to oppose any attempts to rubberstamp the president's illegal and unconstitutional warrantless NSA spying program.

Any White House-endorsed bills to rubberstamp the president's warrantless spying on Americans are like the Patriot Act on steroids. They authorize more warrantless domestic surveillance on Americans than has ever been approved by Congress in our nation's history, even though a federal court has already found such programs unconstitutional and illegal.

The NSA bill would fly in the face of the America we believe in -- an America that strives to live up to the promise of our Constitution and that governs with faithfulness toward the rule of law. If it is passed, America will become a very different place from the "land of the free" that all of us hold in our hearts.

We can protect civil liberties and fight terrorism at the same time. You have the duty to keep our great nation both safe and free by blocking legislation that undermines the Constitution, our American values, and our freedom.

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Again, I strongly urge you to block and oppose legislation that would effectively rubberstamp the president's warrantless NSA spying program.

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Message 447737 - Posted: 1 Nov 2006, 14:12:41 UTC - in response to Message 447726.
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. . . How do You feel regarding this Petition ???

That it is founded on an incorrect assumption. First of all, the name is deliberately misleading. The program is a targeted foreign national surveillance program. The people who are monitored are those who have contact with known enemies of the United States. We are at war. People here who contact our enemies are of vital interest and knowledge of what they say to the enemy saves lives both here and abroad.

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Message 447742 - Posted: 1 Nov 2006, 14:52:54 UTC - in response to Message 447737.

. . . How do You feel regarding this Petition ???

That it is founded on an incorrect assumption. First of all, the name is deliberately misleading. The program is a targeted foreign national surveillance program. The people who are monitored are those who have contact with known enemies of the United States. We are at war. People here who contact our enemies are of vital interest and knowledge of what they say to the enemy saves lives both here and abroad.


Well Said - and "as long as iT is used" for the 'Intended Purposes' - i am in Total Agreement . . . let's keep All 'Known Enemies' Under Surveillance Permanently

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Message 447747 - Posted: 1 Nov 2006, 15:05:25 UTC
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Didn't Richard Nixon have an enemies list (can't remember any foreigners on it, not even Chairman Mao)?
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Message 448822 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 7:36:11 UTC

I am FOR any surveilance program that will keep a watchful eye on anyone in this country that has terrorist tendencies deep in their psychy. If it looks like a duck,waddles like a duck,swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck!








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Message 448831 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 7:58:17 UTC - in response to Message 448822.

I am FOR any surveilance program that will keep a watchful eye on anyone in this country that has terrorist tendencies deep in their psychy. If it looks like a duck,waddles like a duck,swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck!


Ah. Duck profiling, eh? LOL. :)
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Message 449091 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 14:44:36 UTC - in response to Message 448822.

I am FOR any surveilance program that will keep a watchful eye on anyone in this country that has terrorist tendencies deep in their psychy. If it looks like a duck,waddles like a duck,swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck! B-IV

I agree, but can't figure how to do that. I think we have all had the fleeting thought of killing someone at some points in our lives for something that happened. The difference is that most of us IMMEDIATELY put that thought out of our heads and move on with our lives. Terrorists let that though fester and grow until something happens. How do we find those people that let that thought fester and grow? I am not sure there is a fail-safe way to do that. If we agree on that, then we must also assume that some people are going to be spyed upon that are not terrorists. Some people have had the thought and moved on but somehow our 'profile' didn't kick them out and we spy on them thinking they are letting the thought fester and grow, when in fact it is not. I do not like that idea, but do not know how to prevent it.
I AM for spying on everyone fitting the 'profile', I just would like the 'profile' narrowed down so innocent people are not included. If it is narrowed that far, how many terrorists get missed? Is this another program that will be found out later to be mismanaged and run amok by Politicians with an agenda?

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Message 449163 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 17:23:10 UTC - in response to Message 447737.

We are at war.

Only because less than half of your population choose to be.
You are yet to identify whom you are at war with.
You have no strategies in place to deal with this war.
You have no plans as to what to do when you confront your enemy.
You are running around in Iraq like headless chooks, kicking the cat because you can't find the dog.
You have NOT yet worked out that Iraq is not where it's at.
You have no direction in any of this .........

And yet your Government trumpets that you are "winning the war" - refer point 2 above.

Yea! OK ... tell me another.
(another Korea, another Viet Nam ... etc etc ... OK guys , I agree, you are winning the war!!!)

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Message 449214 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 17:58:37 UTC
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Question:

Who is Bill?

and

Why is he so het up on spying?

Is he a perv looking for gratification?
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Message 449223 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 18:02:50 UTC - in response to Message 449214.

Question:

Who is Bill?

and

Why is he so het up on spying?

Is he a perv looking for gratification?


? referrin' ta 'Clinton' EH

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Message 449230 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 18:06:53 UTC - in response to Message 449223.

Question:

Who is Bill?

and

Why is he so het up on spying?

Is he a perv looking for gratification?


? referrin' ta 'Clinton' EH


Good President ... strong economy, no wars, no country problems. Just could'nt keep Cheeney (Dick) under control! <grin>
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Message 449332 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 21:41:21 UTC - in response to Message 449230.

Question:

Who is Bill?

and

Why is he so het up on spying?

Is he a perv looking for gratification?


? referrin' ta 'Clinton' EH


Good President ... strong economy, no wars, no country problems. Just could'nt keep Cheeney (Dick) under control! <grin>

If you are referring to former President Clinton you are sadly mistaken in your assessment of his presidency. The US economy was in the midst of a serious recession when he left office, you may want to investigate events the Baltic and Slavic areas in Eastern Europe before you claim no wars and the US population was more polarized that at any time in the last century.

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Message 449339 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 21:46:42 UTC - in response to Message 449163.
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We are at war.

Only because less than half of your population choose to be.
You are yet to identify whom you are at war with.
You have no strategies in place to deal with this war.
You have no plans as to what to do when you confront your enemy.
You are running around in Iraq like headless chooks, kicking the cat because you can't find the dog.
You have NOT yet worked out that Iraq is not where it's at.
You have no direction in any of this .........

And yet your Government trumpets that you are "winning the war" - refer point 2 above.

Yea! OK ... tell me another.
(another Korea, another Viet Nam ... etc etc ... OK guys , I agree, you are winning the war!!!)

I love ya Bodley but your way of base. Lets see what happens to all you neysayers
when we Do pull out and give up the war a terrorism.

You Really dont have a any good ideas to curb terrorism, just like the Democraps here
They have no plan and no Ideas either.
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Message 449359 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 21:56:06 UTC - in response to Message 449339.

We are at war.

Only because less than half of your population choose to be.
You are yet to identify whom you are at war with.
You have no strategies in place to deal with this war.
You have no plans as to what to do when you confront your enemy.
You are running around in Iraq like headless chooks, kicking the cat because you can't find the dog.
You have NOT yet worked out that Iraq is not where it's at.
You have no direction in any of this .........

And yet your Government trumpets that you are "winning the war" - refer point 2 above.

Yea! OK ... tell me another.
(another Korea, another Viet Nam ... etc etc ... OK guys , I agree, you are winning the war!!!)

I love ya Bodley but your way of base. Lets see what happens to all you neysayers
when we Do pull out and give up the war a terrorism.

You Really dont have a any good ideas to curb terrorism, just like the Democraps here
They have no plan and no Ideas either.


Sure they do....

Cut & Run is a great idea!!!

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Message 449380 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 22:07:30 UTC - in response to Message 449359.

We are at war.

Only because less than half of your population choose to be.
You are yet to identify whom you are at war with.
You have no strategies in place to deal with this war.
You have no plans as to what to do when you confront your enemy.
You are running around in Iraq like headless chooks, kicking the cat because you can't find the dog.
You have NOT yet worked out that Iraq is not where it's at.
You have no direction in any of this .........

And yet your Government trumpets that you are "winning the war" - refer point 2 above.

Yea! OK ... tell me another.
(another Korea, another Viet Nam ... etc etc ... OK guys , I agree, you are winning the war!!!)

I love ya Bodley but your way of base. Lets see what happens to all you neysayers
when we Do pull out and give up the war a terrorism.

You Really dont have a any good ideas to curb terrorism, just like the Democraps here
They have no plan and no Ideas either.


Sure they do....

Cut & Run is a great idea!!!

Exactly my point! I dont agree with the war but cutting and running is not an option.
Think of the children.
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Message 449387 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 22:19:16 UTC - in response to Message 449339.

I love ya Bodley but your way of base. Lets see what happens to all you neysayers
when we Do pull out and give up the war a terrorism.

You Really dont have a any good ideas to curb terrorism, just like the Democraps here
They have no plan and no Ideas either.

How about the US stop causing the terrorism in the first place by it's aggresive foreign policy? I mean it's not one of the most hated countries in the world for no reason you know. (No offence to the US citizens..I'm sure you are all lovely as individuals)
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Message 449391 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 22:21:02 UTC

oh oh . . .

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Message 449396 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 22:25:28 UTC - in response to Message 449387.

I love ya Bodley but your way of base. Lets see what happens to all you neysayers
when we Do pull out and give up the war a terrorism.

You Really dont have a any good ideas to curb terrorism, just like the Democraps here
They have no plan and no Ideas either.

How about the US stop causing the terrorism in the first place by it's aggresive foreign policy? I mean it's not one of the most hated countries in the world for no reason you know. (No offence to the US citizens..I'm sure you are all lovely as individuals)

How about the US stop causing the terrorism in the first place by it's aggresive foreign policy? Better there than here!

Like I said before we need to pull out of everywhere and secure our borders
then people who hate us so much wont try to come and live here.
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Message 449398 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 22:26:46 UTC

Oh and we might as well kick out the UN too. What a waste of time...
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Message 449403 - Posted: 3 Nov 2006, 22:28:33 UTC - in response to Message 449391.

oh oh . . .

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