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Message 428356 - Posted: 29 Sep 2006, 20:31:58 UTC

Often when i invite new people to project i hear the point of view that it is CIA or other US government project that isn't looking for ET, but do something else, i saw no formulas, algorithms and scientific reports in licensed scientific literature but see only how many credits everybody done. I'm new user (about 3000 credits) and if you don't convict me of that SETI is definately seti, the system may lose me as a member (perspective member ;) This message is not a joke. Definately i can't make a choise to be or not to be with seti.
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Message 428377 - Posted: 29 Sep 2006, 21:03:22 UTC - in response to Message 428356.

Often when i invite new people to project i hear the point of view that it is CIA or other US government project that isn't looking for ET, but do something else, i saw no formulas, algorithms and scientific reports in licensed scientific literature but see only how many credits everybody done. I'm new user (about 3000 credits) and if you don't convict me of that SETI is definately seti, the system may lose me as a member (perspective member ;) This message is not a joke. Definately i can't make a choise to be or not to be with seti.
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In reality we have no idea whether this whole project is just a front, other than trust. I for one trust that it isn't a front for something else.

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Message 428480 - Posted: 29 Sep 2006, 23:55:01 UTC - in response to Message 428356.

Often when i invite new people to project i hear the point of view that it is CIA or other US government project that isn't looking for ET, but do something else, i saw no formulas, algorithms and scientific reports in licensed scientific literature but see only how many credits everybody done. I'm new user (about 3000 credits) and if you don't convict me of that SETI is definately seti, the system may lose me as a member (perspective member ;) This message is not a joke. Definately i can't make a choise to be or not to be with seti. Thank you.

If you need convincing that Seti is for real, maybe you should move on. There is NOTHING anyone can give you or show you that will convince you 100%.
It is kind of like Religion, have faith and just follow along, or move along.

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Message 428485 - Posted: 29 Sep 2006, 23:59:02 UTC
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Message 428504 - Posted: 30 Sep 2006, 0:36:47 UTC - in response to Message 428356.

Often when i invite new people to project i hear the point of view that it is CIA or other US government project that isn't looking for ET, but do something else, i saw no formulas, algorithms and scientific reports in licensed scientific literature but see only how many credits everybody done. I'm new user (about 3000 credits) and if you don't convict me of that SETI is definately seti, the system may lose me as a member (perspective member ;) This message is not a joke. Definately i can't make a choise to be or not to be with seti.
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Ask your friends what basis they have for thinking that. I'll bet you it's nothing but suspicion based on no facts at all. About suspicions: it's interesting that your friends think that it is CIA, not some kind of business. I'm suspicious that your friends are politically inclined...to the left.

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Message 428553 - Posted: 30 Sep 2006, 1:53:10 UTC
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Let's run with it...


If you beleive that something is being processed, then look at how the data is handed to us.

A) Is it a communication? NO... Then would it be a reason for it to be secret?

B) Is it a communication? Yes...

If security was important, then they would want to mask the data. From that assumption, then how is it masked? Looking at the data, we can easily see that we only process a snipet of time; a snapshot in time. When I think of communication, I think of a span of time. So, really, we can see none of the time lapses, not with BOINC anyhow. Previously, we had some control. Many people had add ons that would allow them to download several units at a time. I did... It would download chunks of time because it would grab a slice of data from the tapes and cut it up as it passed it to you. So the previous experiences tell us that there are data tapes with that's being processed. I personnally had a couple of these chunks of time that produced results just before they enforced the usage of BOINC for all. You can see what I wrote about it previously here: Intelligence found?

The only conspiracy idea that I can come up with would be that they are looking for communications on earth. Jumbled data to encrypt communications would be difficult to decipher. A truly random system would be to pass the key as well. I you have the key then you can make the right subtractions from the signal and decode it. It may not be as obvious as to listening to a signal. One brute force approach would be to match the signal with the key. To do that, you would have to record everything. Then take a slice of one signal and relate it to another signal over time. In this case, matches would, on our machines, create spikes. The resulting slice of time would be different though. It would appear as erratic waveforms for voices and perhaps irregular patterns for data. In my case, it was a regular (Not Irragular) pattern.

We are only processing one frequency. I guess this is an assumption. Someone should actully check this for confirmation. This particular endeavor would be completely useless, in my knowledge, to track human activities partially because of the wavelength that it is.

Either way, I'm not trasmitting anything. If it may keep me safe, then I'd help. Even if it's 3 years too late because we're processing old data. LOL. But then again, it could be accumilating data on people that I don't disagree with. If they are looking for aliens, then I'd help. Which this is what I beleive. I fully beleive that this is data from a dish pointed at the sky.

Considering how quickly games and OSs get hacked, I would have thought that by now, some nerd somewhere would find inconsistancies.





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Message 428694 - Posted: 30 Sep 2006, 8:09:38 UTC - in response to Message 428553.

I believe that man must honor his nature to know what is over the next hill, the next rise, or across the ocean. This is a way for each and every one of us to help fulfill that need for our selves. I for one think that this is nothing more than that, and that seti@home has no pretense or subterfuge inherent to it.
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Message 428719 - Posted: 30 Sep 2006, 10:45:22 UTC - in response to Message 428694.

I believe that man must honor his nature to know what is over the next hill, the next rise, or across the ocean. This is a way for each and every one of us to help fulfill that need for our selves. I for one think that this is nothing more than that, and that seti@home has no pretense or subterfuge inherent to it.

Wow! Is that ever nicely said!

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Welcome to the forums, M.Grisner. I hope we'll hear a lot more from you.







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Message 428730 - Posted: 30 Sep 2006, 11:04:24 UTC

I agree. Exceptionally well said.


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Message 428783 - Posted: 30 Sep 2006, 12:08:17 UTC

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Message 428839 - Posted: 30 Sep 2006, 15:10:18 UTC - in response to Message 428783.

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Well,, the way things are going here on Earth, We'll never really know the truth. Our president and his Reich have launched the 4th Reich and they're doing it right in front of our lives and eyes. I'm sure the CIA - Gov't have they're evil fingers in this SETI/BOINC for some NEW WORLD order Agenda. Rolf
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Message 428843 - Posted: 30 Sep 2006, 15:13:11 UTC - in response to Message 428839.

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Well,, the way things are going here on Earth, We'll never really know the truth. Our president and his Reich have launched the 4th Reich and they're doing it right in front of our lives and eyes. I'm sure the CIA - Gov't have they're evil fingers in this SETI/BOINC for some NEW WORLD order Agenda. Rolf

Welcome To the Cafe Rolf!
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Message 429086 - Posted: 30 Sep 2006, 22:13:00 UTC

Now why isn't som of this stuff showing up in the Myths thread?? lol

This sounds like a conspiracy!!!!!! LOL
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Message 429303 - Posted: 1 Oct 2006, 6:05:50 UTC - in response to Message 428839.

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Well,, the way things are going here on Earth, We'll never really know the truth. Our president and his Reich have launched the 4th Reich and they're doing it right in front of our lives and eyes. I'm sure the CIA - Gov't have they're evil fingers in this SETI/BOINC for some NEW WORLD order Agenda. Rolf

Just remember to wear your tin foil hat and you will be OK.

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Message 429308 - Posted: 1 Oct 2006, 7:57:42 UTC

You people are insane..Good Lord.
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Message 429447 - Posted: 1 Oct 2006, 16:17:16 UTC - in response to Message 429308.

You people are insane..Good Lord.


LOL yes Robert - and your point is...

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Message 429457 - Posted: 1 Oct 2006, 16:32:37 UTC - in response to Message 429308.

You people are insane..Good Lord.

Just remember that anything that goes on in the US is under Government control or done with Government approval. Nothing happens without them knowing about it. Therefore Seti and all of Boinc have Government approval and oversight. To think otherwise is just not thinking right.
That insane enough for you?

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Message 429458 - Posted: 1 Oct 2006, 16:32:56 UTC

I hope this isn't serious. SETI was founded by people the CIA was probably watching back then. Check the Web site of the Planetary Society which is sponsoring the search if you need more comfort. This is an international project that does not have a place of earth politics. That is why I joined.
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Message 429556 - Posted: 1 Oct 2006, 20:22:44 UTC - in response to Message 429458.
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I hope this isn't serious. SETI was founded by people the CIA was probably watching back then. Check the Web site of the Planetary Society which is sponsoring the search if you need more comfort. This is an international project that does not have a place of earth politics. That is why I joined.

I hope that this isn't serious too. But BOINC's computational capability is a grate titbit for special services. And i (suppose and You too) need real guarantee that we are not cultivating a new supervirus for US army or something else. Be sure, although it's russian project i would ask same questions, so no politics.
I think that administration of project MUST show more detailed reports on what we do, when there will no doubt's project will go faster: even i switch on 100 more cpu's :)

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Message 429581 - Posted: 1 Oct 2006, 22:30:04 UTC - in response to Message 429556.

I hope this isn't serious. SETI was founded by people the CIA was probably watching back then. Check the Web site of the Planetary Society which is sponsoring the search if you need more comfort. This is an international project that does not have a place of earth politics. That is why I joined.

I hope that this isn't serious too. But BOINC's computational capability is a grate titbit for special services. And i (suppose and You too) need real guarantee that we are not cultivating a new supervirus for US army or something else. Be sure, although it's russian project i would ask same questions, so no politics.
I think that administration of project MUST show more detailed reports on what we do, when there will no doubt's project will go faster: even i switch on 100 more cpu's :)


Did "you" volunteer - yes!
Are "you" crunching - yes!
Do "you" have a choice - yes!

If in doubt "DON'T" - "your choice" - yes!

Do "I" know the answers you seek - no!

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