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Why Are We Worse Off? | |
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Average wages are not keeping up with the cost of living. How about houses and automobiles? Who really cares about all the nickel and dime stuff when our two greatest necessities have become so OVERPRICED... To put it mildly... ;) ____________ It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . | |
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Average wages are not keeping up with the cost of living. What's your baseline of what 'overpriced' means? I mean, you've got a catchy slogan befitting a political party at election time but what's your benchmark for such a conclusion? ____________ Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! | |
| ID: 411699 · | |
What's your baseline of what 'overpriced' means? 25 years ago an acre of land was $500... 25 years ago a brand new car was $2,500... 25 years ago one could build a new house for $25,000... 25 years ago one could rent an apartment for $100 per month... How much has minimum wage gone up since then? $1.00 per hour? You do the math... This issue has been known throughout my entire life... If the greedy actually wanted to fix the problem they would have stopped TALKING about it and started DOING something about it a long time ago... ;) ____________ It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . | |
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What's your baseline of what 'overpriced' means? I think the problem Jeffrey is the 'law of supply and demand'. If you are willing to pay more than the next guy, the price will go up. It will continue to go up until people stop paying for it. Look at all the the infomercials on tv. You see something one month priced at $29.99 each, 3 months later the same item is priced 2 for $19.99. They either lower the price or keep a warehouse full of them. I think another part of the equation is that there are many, many more 2 income households than 25 years ago. That effictively means a $2.00 an hour raise, not just a $1.00 an hour. That then gives each household twice as much money, from the second income, and a double hourly raise on top of that. The people that end up paying for all this expensive stuff, in the way of lifestyle changes, are the older folks. They do not have the increasing incomes and therefore have to make choices, sometimes painfull ones, in order to afford the things we need in life. ____________ | |
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Jeffrey, the issue here is the amount of purchasing power in question not the numerals associated with prices. 25 years ago an acre of land was $500... An acre of land where? Manhatten? Alaska? South Georgia prime farm land? Whaaaa~?? Build a new house where for 25k ? Was it a tool shed? $100 for a flat? You couldn't buy that in a crack house. ____________ Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! | |
| ID: 411973 · | |
I lived in the United States back then and fully recall that your figures and supposed facts are not 'facts' at all............ Next you're gonna be telling me that gas wasn't 20 cents a gallon and that postage stamps weren't a penny a piece, right? As far as the two income families go... The only reason that both parents had to start working in the first place was because salaries had declined so much, and continue to do so... Not to mention, the ever rising cost of living... ;) ____________ It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . | |
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I lived in the United States back then and fully recall that your figures and supposed facts are not 'facts' at all............ I agree with you on some points, JEFFREY. Women have believed or been inclined to take work where they otherwise may not have. That, of course, is up to her and her husband but those pressures have in many ways been brought about by the influences of government intrusions into people's lives. As to your comment about the price of postage stamps: They haven't been that cheaply priced since the war between the states. You still won't be a man enough to proclaim that "RB was right and I was wrong" which is something I am willing to proffer when I am shown an error concerning facts or reasoning. ____________ Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! | |
| ID: 412085 · | |
You do the math... The issues you should have spent that entire life learning about are inflation and improvement. 30 years ago, the average cost of a car was about $5K, now that's about $20K. That doesn't mean a car costs four times more. First you could compare the CPI over the years (what is a dollar now worth in 30 year old dollars?). Second you compare the options--a car 30 years ago was destined to be a rustbucket, had no air conditioning, no power steering, windows, locks or trunk release. It's milage was appalling and it's weight approached that of an APC. There were no heated (or cooled) seats, a terrible radio, and an accident in them would likely result in your death. So while it's true that a car is probably slightly more expensive today, that's because they have improved significantly and the costs of those improvements continually fall. As another example, just imagine what you computer today would have cost 30 years ago. As far as "the greedy" a) that generalization is so large as to be meaningless, and b) you would have to make an argument that said greedy could even affect the changes you feel you are entitled to. ____________ Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... | |
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40 years ago my parents bought 3.5 acres of land, and built a 3500 sq ft house on it for $33K. My father earned $9K / year. That property was appraised at 500K about 5 years ago, and his income at retirement 5 years ago is 90K / year. The house is worth more than 15 times as much, but the labor rate with 35 years of experience is worth only 10 times as much. | |
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40 years ago That's the generation I'm talking about... Nobody will EVER have it as good as they had it... ;) ____________ It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . | |
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As far as "the greedy" Who do you think is pocketing all the cash? Who do you think is paying the low salaries? The GREEDY... ;) ____________ It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . | |
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As far as "the greedy" It's simply not worth it. You have a lot to learn. ____________ Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... | |
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I recently heard the results of a study whose results indicate that the political party in power (if in power long enough) does affect changes toward their philosophy. When the party in power believes in raising the standard of living for the low income workers, that is what happens. When the party in power believes in raising the income of the top executives, that is what happens. | |
| ID: 412365 · | |
You have a lot to learn. I know all about 'inflation'... It's the reason why we can't just print more money... Problem: The rich have more than enough money... The poor have less than enough money... The middle class is gone... Solution: The ONLY solution to the problem would be to take from the rich and give to the poor... And, well, we all know that will NEVER happen because of GREED... All the rest of the 'complex economics' are just wasted efforts in an attempt to find a way to help the poor without actually removing anything from the pocket books of the rich... And, well, that is an IMPOSSIBLE solution that can NEVER happen because we can't just print more money... Quite simple isn't it? ;) ____________ It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . | |
| ID: 412431 · | |
40 years ago my parents bought 3.5 acres of land, and built a 3500 sq ft house on it for $33K. My father earned $9K / year. That property was appraised at 500K about 5 years ago, and his income at retirement 5 years ago is 90K / year. The house is worth more than 15 times as much, but the labor rate with 35 years of experience is worth only 10 times as much. You must be oppressing the poor to have achieved such a profit. ____________ Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! | |
| ID: 412434 · | |
It's simply not worth it. Oh, you meant that I had a lot to learn about 'respect'... I forgot... The rich don't have to EARN that either... ;) ____________ It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . | |
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Oh, you meant that I had a lot to learn about 'respect'... I win. ____________ Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... | |
| ID: 434048 · | |
I know all about 'inflation'... It's the reason why we can't just print more money... Simplistic and wrong. This misstatement has been a canard for decades. You must check an economics text out of the library and study the subject. Money can, does and must get added to (and deleted from) the total money supply on an ongoing basis. Inflation only occurs when the total value of the currency in circulation does not match the total productivity of the economy. When worker productivity rises (please note that the US has the most productive workforce in the world) the money supply is expanded to prevent deflation and, of course, the reverse condition applies. The current view is that a small amount of inflation is healthy, but I am not sure I buy that. | |
| ID: 434071 · | |
It's simply not worth it. Jeffrey, the rich people in this World are just out of our league! They are rich and there is just nothing you and I can do about it! Paris Hilton is rich and is an obvious example of what happens to people that have waaaay to much money. They do things that the rest of us would not even think of doing, and get paid for it. She makes a complete and utter fool of herself and the tv shows she is on, and laughs all the way to the bank. She makes a complete and utter fool of herself on clandestine videos, and laughs all the way to the bank. Rich people just have a different set of values than you and I. Get over it, get past it, nothing you or I can do about it. Your life is yours, my life is mine. Do you honestly think Paris Hilton or Brittany Spears will ever crunch for Seti? More importantly do you honestly think they even have a clue what it is? Jeffrey move on about the rich, they are a class unto themselves, and all they do is pay people to run their businesses so you and I can make a living doing whatever it is we do. As long as the money keeps coming in to them, and their managers think you and I do a good job at our jobs, hopefully we will keep working. ____________ | |
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