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Message 377758 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 1:47:06 UTC

Illegal Immigration seems to be the topic Du Jour on all the talk radio shows these days. I would like to find out what people who DON'T get paid for talking think.

Is it as big a problem as some are making it out to be? Are our borders secure enough?

Should we just do our best to close the borders completely?

Should we allow the ones who are already here to become citizens automatically?

I want to try to keep things ( relatively ) calm in this thread. Illegal Immigration seems to be quite a " hot button " issue, but we need to try to keep things civilized.
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Message 377759 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 1:49:35 UTC

Illegal Immigration seems to be quite a " hot button " issue, but we need to try to keep things civilized.
Guess I can't play in here then. :-)

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Message 377760 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 1:51:10 UTC - in response to Message 377759.
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Illegal Immigration seems to be quite a " hot button " issue, but we need to try to keep things civilized.
Guess I can't play in here then. :-)


Everyone can play. You just have to play relatively NICELY Robert. lol

I am fully expecting some very strong opinions. That's why I set the thread up.
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Message 377776 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 2:01:04 UTC - in response to Message 377758.

In San Diego's back country there is a 15,000 acre fire still burning out of control. It was caused by an abondoned campfire set by illegal immigrants. For starters I wish they wouldn't negligently set fire to my country.
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Message 377778 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 2:03:04 UTC - in response to Message 377776.

In San Diego's back country there is a 15,000 acre fire still burning out of control. It was caused by an abondoned campfire set by illegal immigrants. For starters I wish they wouldn't negligently set fire to my country.


Has that been confirmed as the source? The last I heard about it was that it was "possibly " set by an abandoned campfire.
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Message 377781 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 2:04:59 UTC - in response to Message 377776.

In San Diego's back country there is a 15,000 acre fire still burning out of control. It was caused by an abondoned campfire set by illegal immigrants. For starters I wish they wouldn't negligently set fire to my country.

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Message 377783 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 2:06:12 UTC - in response to Message 377781.

In San Diego's back country there is a 15,000 acre fire still burning out of control. It was caused by an abondoned campfire set by illegal immigrants. For starters I wish they wouldn't negligently set fire to my country.

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I suppose this would be one case where we can't BLAME MISFIT!!!!! lol
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Message 377788 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 2:07:07 UTC - in response to Message 377778.

In San Diego's back country there is a 15,000 acre fire still burning out of control. It was caused by an abondoned campfire set by illegal immigrants. For starters I wish they wouldn't negligently set fire to my country.

Has that been confirmed as the source? The last I heard about it was that it was "possibly " set by an abandoned campfire.

That is what the local news is reporting. With the temps being what they were I'm surprised there instead wasn't a major flood caused by an abandonded giant block of ice.
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Message 377793 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 2:11:50 UTC - in response to Message 377788.

In San Diego's back country there is a 15,000 acre fire still burning out of control. It was caused by an abondoned campfire set by illegal immigrants. For starters I wish they wouldn't negligently set fire to my country.

Has that been confirmed as the source? The last I heard about it was that it was "possibly " set by an abandoned campfire.

That is what the local news is reporting. With the temps being what they were I'm surprised there instead wasn't a major flood caused by an abandonded giant block of ice.


With temps the way they have been...I don't think they WOULD HAVE abandoned the block of ice. lol
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Message 377795 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 2:15:39 UTC - in response to Message 377793.

In San Diego's back country there is a 15,000 acre fire still burning out of control. It was caused by an abondoned campfire set by illegal immigrants. For starters I wish they wouldn't negligently set fire to my country.

Has that been confirmed as the source? The last I heard about it was that it was "possibly " set by an abandoned campfire.

That is what the local news is reporting. With the temps being what they were I'm surprised there instead wasn't a major flood caused by an abandonded giant block of ice.

With temps the way they have been...I don't think they WOULD HAVE abandoned the block of ice. lol

They could have been washed away with the flood....perhaps in a southernly direction.
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Message 377917 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 4:50:56 UTC - in response to Message 377795.

In San Diego's back country there is a 15,000 acre fire still burning out of control. It was caused by an abondoned campfire set by illegal immigrants. For starters I wish they wouldn't negligently set fire to my country.

Has that been confirmed as the source? The last I heard about it was that it was "possibly " set by an abandoned campfire.

That is what the local news is reporting. With the temps being what they were I'm surprised there instead wasn't a major flood caused by an abandonded giant block of ice.

With temps the way they have been...I don't think they WOULD HAVE abandoned the block of ice. lol

They could have been washed away with the flood....perhaps in a southernly direction.


Perhaps. But realize that there would have been a hundred more riding the rapids UPSTREAM.
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Message 377919 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 4:52:04 UTC - in response to Message 377917.

In San Diego's back country there is a 15,000 acre fire still burning out of control. It was caused by an abondoned campfire set by illegal immigrants. For starters I wish they wouldn't negligently set fire to my country.

Has that been confirmed as the source? The last I heard about it was that it was "possibly " set by an abandoned campfire.

That is what the local news is reporting. With the temps being what they were I'm surprised there instead wasn't a major flood caused by an abandonded giant block of ice.

With temps the way they have been...I don't think they WOULD HAVE abandoned the block of ice. lol

They could have been washed away with the flood....perhaps in a southernly direction.

Perhaps. But realize that there would have been a hundred more riding the rapids UPSTREAM.

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Message 377972 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 5:56:19 UTC

Here is something I just remembered...

My ex-girlfriend's ex-husband was in one of the Military branches. She told me that in one of the places he was stationed in Texas, she could walk down to the river that formed part of the U.S./Mexico border.

Across this border someone had erected a rope bridge to make it safer for the illegals coming across the border when the river was at a higher than normal level.

Gotta love THAT border Security.
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Message 377980 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 6:01:22 UTC

Here's what I'd do.

1. Build a wall across the whole border

2. Drastically increase border personnel

3. Only grant any new guest worker visas when someone applies from their HOME country. If you're in the U.S. illegally, no permit.

4. Empower local law enforcement to detain illegals.
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Message 377989 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 6:09:25 UTC - in response to Message 377980.

Here's what I'd do.


1. Build a wall across the whole border


This isn't a bad idea. But what are you going to build a wall with that they couldn't get through, over, or under?

2. Drastically increase border personnel


This is something thast we definitely need to do anyway. I just heard something on the show previous to C2C about the fact that there is a law that states, local Governments can deputize local law enforcement as Border patrol agents. Something to that immediate effect anyway.

3. Only grant any new guest worker visas when someone applies from their HOME country. If you're in the U.S. illegally, no permit.


The major problem ( as I see it ) is the ease of availability of false documents. ID...SSN...even birth certificates can be had relatively cheap. A full set of documents can be had for around 200 dollars.

What do we do about the ones that are already HERE Illegally?

4. Empower local law enforcement to detain illegals.


Refer to number 2. A lot of local governments have been crying that their " hands are tied " when it comes to enforcing the borders. That law pretty much takes that argument out of the equation.

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Message 377995 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 6:14:58 UTC

[quote]What do we do about the ones that are already HERE Illegally?[/img]

So? What are we doing about them NOW ? With my plan it is at least some incentive to go home AND most importantly it discourages new illegals from rushing en masse to the border in hope of getting 'amnesty'. Over time, as illegal occupation, I mean IMMIGRATION, wanes the border patrol will continue to do what it does NOW and conduct standard raids, etc.

My final solution is to send Knightmate to the border to give everyone the 'evil eye'. That would be a big help. lol
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Message 377996 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 6:17:00 UTC - in response to Message 377995.

[quote]What do we do about the ones that are already HERE Illegally?[/img]

So? What are we doing about them NOW ? With my plan it is at least some incentive to go home AND most importantly it discourages new illegals from rushing en masse to the border in hope of getting 'amnesty'. Over time, as illegal occupation, I mean IMMIGRATION, wanes the border patrol will continue to do what it does NOW and conduct standard raids, etc.

My final solution is to send Knightmate to the border to give everyone the 'evil eye'. That would be a big help. lol


I think a " evil eye " with a .50 Cal and lots of ammunition would be pretty effective actually.
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Message 378173 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 12:42:17 UTC

A 'fence' along the border does not need to mean just a wall or two. Although it would never be implemented, the most effective form of fence would be simple signs every hundred feet or so:

Comenzaremos a matar a cualquier persona que cruce esta frontera en 30 días.

And dutifully replace the signs with ones that count down 29, 28, 27, etc. each day.

When you get down to zero, however, you'd have to actually mean it.
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Message 378229 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 14:27:52 UTC - in response to Message 378173.

A 'fence' along the border does not need to mean just a wall or two. Although it would never be implemented, the most effective form of fence would be simple signs every hundred feet or so:

Comenzaremos a matar a cualquier persona que cruce esta frontera en 30 días.

And dutifully replace the signs with ones that count down 29, 28, 27, etc. each day.

When you get down to zero, however, you'd have to actually mean it.

Don't forget the 'evil eye'. Knightmate can pull off the 'evil eye'.
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Message 378264 - Posted: 26 Jul 2006, 16:00:57 UTC


What about building a bloody great trench and letting the Pacific and Atlantic met a little closer to the USoA? You could call it the American Straights. Or the United Straights of America or..

We have the Southern Ocean and that doesn't stop illegal immigration. Improve the intelligence, monitoring and policing.

That wall thing didn't work in China, twice! Didn't work in Europe. Won't work in the Middle East either.

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