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Message 436577 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 6:12:35 UTC

"Islam" being the arabic word for submission.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God.

Romans 10:3
For, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

Jesus himself submitted to the will of God... ;)
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Message 436578 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 6:14:39 UTC - in response to Message 436577.  
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"Islam" being the arabic word for submission.

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God.

Romans 10:3
For, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

Jesus himself submitted to the will of God... ;)


SO YOU DO BELIEVE IN FORCING THE WORLD INTO SUBMISSION!

Also, I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. Stop ASSuming AGAIN. Christianity has lead to some horrible things too!

However, those verses only ASK YOU TO SUBMIT. Islam COMMANDS you to FORCE OTHERS to submit!

Stop trying to justify yourself.

Let's keep the Qu'Ran verses going,

"O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred stedfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because disbelievers are a folk without intelligence." Qu'ran 8:65
The truth is out there. Or in here. Who left the door open? (my dog comes running back in) There's the truth!

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Message 436580 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 6:24:33 UTC

Also, I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.

Believe me... It shows... ;)
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Message 436584 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 6:41:35 UTC

Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist, blah, blah, blah...

Doesn't matter. Stupidity and a**holishness(?) knows no social or religious bounds.

I say death to all non-pacifists! Then the world would be a much better place.

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Message 436585 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 6:41:39 UTC
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double post. Oops.
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Message 436592 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 7:07:01 UTC - in response to Message 436580.  
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Also, I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.

Believe me... It shows... ;)


Rather than address the Qu'Ranic verses of hate. Rather than address your deep problem of believing 9/11 was a conspiracy. You just resort to insults and attacks. Hmmm just like your religion, Submission.

You worship submission. (islam)

If muslims are "one who submits", Islam dominates them. You oppress women, and Islamic nations and forces are the aggressors of 14/21 of the conflicts.

What about Sudan? In Darfur they are KILLING all non-muslims.

There are muslim-muslim killings too, just like Shiites vs Sunnis, but many many of the christians and pagans are being killed for refusing to convert.

The truth is out there. Or in here. Who left the door open? (my dog comes running back in) There's the truth!

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Message 436594 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 7:18:15 UTC - in response to Message 436584.  
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BTW: I am another newbie with a low rac!

You don't have a low rac, nor are you a newbie... You're just another clone... ;)
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Message 436601 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 7:40:44 UTC
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Rather than [blah blah blah snip] You just [blah blah blah snip]

Maybe I just don't like your attitude... ;)

Proverbs 14:7
Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Proverbs 23:9
Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Proverbs 26:4
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.

Proverbs 26:5
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.

Proverbs 29:11
A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man quietly holds it back.
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Message 437238 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 22:11:39 UTC
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Could I just say, although I am not a practising Muslim, the word 'Jihad' in Islam means both outer struggle, and inner struggle, the latter by far being the most important. Jihad refers mainly to the struggle against inner human weakness or sin.
It is not clear how far the Qur'an and Muhammad's example extends into the lives of militant Muslims. Some modern scholars, such as Malise Ruthven, have suggested that the rise of a more political Islam, which he refers to as 'Islamism' may be due in part to the influence of Western-based political ideologies especially within Iran during the reign of Ayatollah Khomeini. It is not clear how near the beliefs of modern political Islamic movements may be to the teachings within the Qur'an - although it seems unlikely that Muhammad would have condoned suicide bombings - suicide being a grave sin in Islam.
However, Ruthven seems to suggest that at least in the case of the Shi'ite movement in Iran, secular ideologies such as Marxism/Leninism may have influenced contemporary Islamic movements, particularly Shi'ite political movements.
So Ruthven mentions, '...the mixing of Shi'i and Marxist ideas among the radicalized urban youth during the 1970s.' (Ruthven, p.131. Short Introduction to Islam). It is quite possible that Marxist ideas have also informed to some extent the radical Sunni movements, such as Hamas.
This may prove that radical Muslims today might be as prone to influence by secular ideologies as by Muhammad's life and teachings.
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Message 437312 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 23:49:56 UTC - in response to Message 437238.  

Why does it appear that Chuck has a real, almost uncontrollable animosity towards religion and those who partake in it?

Dude, relax, not everyone agrees with you and it doesn't make them stupid if they don't. You have your faith, that there is no deity, and others have theirs. See, Atheism IS a religion. Yes, it is, and the proof is your executing an "Inquisition of Words". I also suppose that if someone uses a different operating system or processor in their computer you get apoplectic over that, too. “AWK! You use an AMD processor! You’re an idiot! A non-believer, an… an infidel!” You might as well; it makes the same kind of sense.

The fact is, to me, the Earth was not created in six days between six and ten thousand years ago. The fossil record does not support that. To me, the people who do believe that are wrong, they've been miss-informed for what ever reason. But I'm not going to sit here and insult them personally over it. Hey, I could care less if somebody centuries ago got six billion years mixed up with six days. Big… fat… hairy… deal.

Besides, if you're right and death is it, done, no more, so… the hell… what? It seems you're worried more that they'll be disappointed than anything. "AW DAMN! Chuck was right, there is no afterlife. I am soooo disappointed." PUH-lease, here you are trying to save people in a zealot like fashion, but instead of saving their souls, you're trying to save them from themselves. As for me, I find that vastly more insulting than some guy trying to save my soul. My observation, like with the Muslim extremists, it’s none of your friggin’ business and you are in no position to insult anybody that does not belong to your “Religion”.

My suggestion, seek out a therapist, find yourself a relaxing hobby, like stamp collecting and get out of preaching The Word, you're not good at it.

You have a nice day.
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Message 437337 - Posted: 16 Oct 2006, 0:20:22 UTC - in response to Message 437238.  

It is not clear how far the Qur'an and Muhammad's example extends into the lives of militant Muslims.

Jihad by the sword is the last resort and it only applies to those who engage in warfare against Muslims or Muslim countries... This is how it is stated in the Qur'an and it was also the way Muhammad taught it in his Sunnah (Hadith)...

When the Qur'an says fight until the religion of the world is Islam it is really saying that we are to fight against oppression and persecution until the world comes under Gods religion which is a state of rightiousness... As I heard someone else put it, you can be a Jewish-Muslim or a Christian-Muslim or a Muslim-Muslim because being a Muslim isn't a specific people but rather a way of life, just as Islam isn't a specific religion but rather a way of life... The same religion was taught by ALL of Gods prophets, and that is the true religion... It is our actions that determine if we are following Gods religion no matter what religious title you place upon yourself or upon your church... With all that said, jihad is no different than spreading the Gospel to all the world...

The only difference between Christians and Muslims in this respect would be that God gave Muslims the green light to fight those who fight them rather than turn the other cheek as the Christians believe they were directed to do... ;)
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Message 437749 - Posted: 16 Oct 2006, 13:38:51 UTC - in response to Message 436359.  

But then we could get into the pi**ing contest about "If there was a God, why would he allow (insert your verbage) to happen." I, for one, allow that there has been more things in my life that have occured to be just happenstance. I have been very blessed by some events that have occured in my life, and cursed by others. On one hand, my 3yo niece drowned this summer, and I have a hard time coming to grips with a God that could allow that to happen. And one of my younger brothers committed suicide at the age of 19, I was just a year older than him. Try to justiry it all, and it's no wonder why I drink.
But somehow, I still believe that a higher power controls it all. This belief has come to me late in life.
So, snyway......on to the Seti thing.
I guess that searching for ET is not anti-Christian, or any other religion for that matter. Searching for brethren in this universe is not unGodly in any case, because he would have put them there, now, wouldn't He?


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Message 437752 - Posted: 16 Oct 2006, 13:52:33 UTC

Jihad by the sword is the last resort and it only applies to those who engage in warfare against Muslims or Muslim countries... This is how it is stated in the Qur'an and it was also the way Muhammad taught it in his Sunnah (Hadith)...


Jeff,

It sure doesn't seem like those who are blowing themselves ( and others ) up are using Jihad as a " last resort".

It seems like they are, instead, using it as an excuse to carry on the violence.

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Message 437913 - Posted: 16 Oct 2006, 19:25:07 UTC - in response to Message 437752.  
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It sure doesn't seem like [snip] It seems like [snip]

As the American nazi warmongers keep reminding us:

HEY AMERICA, WE ARE AT WAR!!!

And being at war, Muslims are fully justified in exercising jihad by force, especially in their own country... When will Americans get it? THEY DON'T WANT US THERE!!! And personally, I don't blame them... ;)
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Message 438026 - Posted: 16 Oct 2006, 21:36:25 UTC

Sometimes I wonder whether some Christian Fundamentalists not only believe in the End Times and the coming of the Apocalypse, they are actually seeking to bring it about, particularly in the Middle East.
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Message 438114 - Posted: 16 Oct 2006, 23:36:44 UTC - in response to Message 438026.  

Sometimes I wonder whether some Christian Fundamentalists not only believe in the End Times and the coming of the Apocalypse, they are actually seeking to bring it about, particularly in the Middle East.


I think this is a strong possibility. Why is Christian fundamentalism so much stronger in the USA than elsewhere? (Or, is it?)

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Message 438117 - Posted: 16 Oct 2006, 23:41:45 UTC - in response to Message 438026.  
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Sometimes I wonder whether some Christian Fundamentalists not only believe in the End Times and the coming of the Apocalypse, they are actually seeking to bring it about, particularly in the Middle East.

They shouldn't be... But I do believe that some are trying to bring it about...

If they only knew that by doing so, they are only bringing about their own destruction... ;)
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Message 438147 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 0:12:25 UTC - in response to Message 437913.  

It sure doesn't seem like [snip] It seems like [snip]

As the American nazi warmongers keep reminding us:

HEY AMERICA, WE ARE AT WAR!!!

And being at war, Muslims are fully justified in exercising jihad by force, especially in their own country... When will Americans get it? THEY DON'T WANT US THERE!!! And personally, I don't blame them... ;)


Jeff,

You can snip my comments all you want, but we weren't AT WAR!!!! ( as you put it ) until a deliberate and cowardly attack brought the war about.

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Message 438169 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 0:31:36 UTC - in response to Message 438147.  

You can snip my comments all you want, but we weren't AT WAR!!!!

I'm not condoning their methods, but we most certainly were at war in the middle east long before 911... 911 just brought that war to our doorstep... ;)

PS: I only snip comments to save space, unless I add the sarcastic [blah blah blah snip]... You made a valid point, I just think it was wrong...
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Message 438202 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 1:06:31 UTC - in response to Message 438169.  

You can snip my comments all you want, but we weren't AT WAR!!!!

I'm not condoning their methods, but we most certainly were at war in the middle east long before 911... 911 just brought that war to our doorstep... ;)

PS: I only snip comments to save space, unless I add the sarcastic [blah blah blah snip]... You made a valid point, I just think it was wrong...


Fair enough.

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