Has anyone seen my brother Jack?

He was around here somewhere.

Oh, there he is: Hi Jack!

Soory Tom!

It's OK, it pushed Chuck out of sight. Anyway, I expect to start new Religious and Political Threads this weekend.

Good and I hope all is well with you and Family!

Yes, I just got back from a two week vacation with my family. It was quite a religious experience.

I have had a few of them Yellowstone, Grand Canyon and Betty!

We visited Zion Nat'l Park,.... I got some great pictures.

Did you hike to Angels Landing and Observation Point?
Did you go to Cedar Breaks and hit any deer?

Man! It was 105° at Zion, Bryce and Arches. I didn't do any hiking.

it is that religious people direct their critical questioning in a different direction from yours.

BULLSHIT. A critical question is directable at any thing at any time. That's science. NOT 'chucky's particular view of the world'. You must have no clue what science really is about. For religios people to be critical in their questions, they have to direct critical questions anywhere - even at their own religion, and ESPECIALLY at the tenents that uphold it.
Science does exactly that - because that is the definition of science: does the hypothesis hold up to critical questioning.

Bill Hyland, you have demonstrated an utter lack of understanding what a critical question is.


Susan, you might want to go over that, too, because 'faith' belies a 'sacred truth'. Right? A belief that something is true. Science has NOTHING TO DO AT ALL WITH BELIEF. NOTHING. NOTHING. get it? Science is concerned with the opposite of faith - PROOF.


When we see people asserting and insisting that faith is a part of science, it is an indication that those people are trying to subvert the 'respect' science has in being far more correct than any other system at interpreting reality. How else could religion stnad? A great way to protect it is claim that it has a shared validity with science. Faith is NOT part of science. Don't let people like Susan or Troy fool you into erroneous thinking.

You are partly right here, Chuck.

Faith is NOT part of science.

Faith IS part of motivation.

Those without motivation are, for the most part, the "worker bees" of the world, whether it be in science or in any other endeavor. You should be familiar with many cases where people without vast resources, vast intellect or the favor of social position achieve wealth, produce inventions or rise high in positions of responsibility. These people USE money, USE science and USE learned leadership skills.

Science is NOT and end unto itself. Science is a tool that you use to understand the universe you live in. So called "soft concepts" such as faith and hope are tools that you use to place yourself within that universe.

At a minimum, your faith in your self worth and your hope at self improvement motivate you as you relate to the universe as you understand it.

Thanks for wishing me a happy Birthday. I hope you enjoyed yours Knightmare. My hubby bought me some beautiful red roses.

Regards
Susan.

Very cool. Roses are always a good thing. :-)

I went to a concert. Had a great time. My ears are ringing, my head hurts, and I feel like i got run over by a truck. All in all, a VERY good night...lol

Yes very cool. So how was Yawni?

Oh ha. Very funny Misfit...lol

I may be getting old but I am not THAT old yet.

I actually went to see Wednesday 13 at my favorite concert club. :-)

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Those without motivation are, for the most part, the "worker bees" of the world [snip]
At a minimum, your faith in your self worth and your hope at self improvement motivate you as you relate to the universe as you understand it.

Until you realize that the people above you are all liars who are just using you for your work and your ideas with no intention of ever advancing you because that would cost them more money... At which point you come to realize that you can never win a game that's fixed and simply give up on your own life and start spending what's left of your life exposing the devil for who he is... A LIAR...

It's all in the manual(s)... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Those without motivation are, for the most part, the "worker bees" of the world [snip]
At a minimum, your faith in your self worth and your hope at self improvement motivate you as you relate to the universe as you understand it.

Until you realize that the people above you are all liars who are just using you for your work and your ideas with no intention of ever advancing you because that would cost them more money... At which point you come to realize that you can never win a game that's fixed and simply give up on your own life and start spending what's left of your life exposing the devil for who he is... A LIAR...

It's all in the manual(s)... ;)

Jeffery, you seem to be so disillusioned and cynical that it is a wonder that you don't simply fall over in a fetal position and waste away. How pitiable. How very pathetic. My heart bleeds for you.

My heart bleeds for you.

Oh, I'm sure it does... ;)

(I'm guessing that your six figure per year salary could feed half of Africa)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

My heart bleeds for you.

Oh, I'm sure it does... ;)

(I'm guessing your six figure per year salary could feed half of Africa)

If you envy my supposed income then better yourself. Take classes. Invest in your future. I have spent three decades improving my knowledge and my skill in my chosen field. I worked through High School and saved my money. I made a commitment of several years in the US Navy and in return I received world class training and leadership experience. And I always saved a portion of my paycheck. I went to college, with help from Veteran's programs which I earned by my years of honorable service.

To envy someone with more than you have is foolish and unproductive. Far better to study successful people and emulate them. Plan your future. Set broad 5 and 10 year goals. Write them down. Break those goals down into achievable steps for the near term, say over the next year. Write those steps down too. Refer to your plan ofter to remind yourself of your ultimate goal. Reserve time for worship, if it is important to you. Reserve time and money for recreation, but keep within your means. Never, never, never forget to live your life in terms of reaching your ultimate goals.

What have you done to better yourself? Have you saved for the future? Do you study your chosen field to make yourself more attractive to your employer? Have you served your country to get training and open the door to the several benefits that such service earns you?

Hyland!,

*slaps you silly....who ON EARTH ARE YOU to be allowed to make sense? *

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Those without motivation are, for the most part, the "worker bees" of the world [snip]
At a minimum, your faith in your self worth and your hope at self improvement motivate you as you relate to the universe as you understand it.

Until you realize that the people above you are all liars who are just using you for your work and your ideas with no intention of ever advancing you because that would cost them more money... At which point you come to realize that you can never win a game that's fixed and simply give up on your own life and start spending what's left of your life exposing the devil for who he is... A LIAR...

It's all in the manual(s)... ;)

Everyone should reread what this Islamist says....and read it twice.....look closely.

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To envy someone with more than you have is foolish and unproductive.

Envy? I don't envy anybody who has sold their soul in exchange for the easy life... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

>>>Never, never, never forget to live your life in terms of reaching your ultimate goals.

You have with these few words spit out what goes.

ALL the rest
ALL the rest

Is bullshit.

Thanks...cc

What have you done to better yourself? Have you saved for the future? Do you study your chosen field to make yourself more attractive to your employer? Have you served your country to get training and open the door to the several benefits that such service earns you?

There is a distinct difference between followers and leaders when it comes to the first question.

Never, never, never forget to live your life in terms of reaching your ultimate goals

For me, it's mastery and it's never complete.

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And watch closely, Susan.

The ideas you advocate are akin to jeffrey's ideas.
They allow for a compromise between this so called 'faith' and Reason in which those things are somehow equal. This 'faith' allows for certainty that destroys everything that human civilization has been able to accomplish. It does not allow for the rational study of the enviornment around us. It does not allow for the ethical study of what it means to be human. It only allows an open hole for those that wish to poke supposed holes in our rationale that allows your freedoms to exist.

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Make no mistake, Sleestak.

what their principles are today predict what their actions are tomorrow.

He has stated flat OUT THAT WE ARE TO BE CONVERTED TO ISLAM......AND THROUGH FORCE IF NECESSARY. He has never denied this goal.

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Crap- OK I jumped in out of turn here-

Mastery, of course is the goal
And if one feels obligated to bend knee in front of
A cruxifix or a voodoo charm or a body of writings
From whatever WooWoo dingaling who's hot nowadays

What does it matter?

You've got 70 maybe 80, if you're lucky, years to run it.
Whose the boss here?

Make the best of it
You'll be dead soon enough
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Crap- OK I jumped in out of turn here-

Mastery, of course is the goal
And if one feels obligated to bend knee in front of
A cruxifix or a voodoo charm or a body of writings
From whatever WooWoo dingaling who's hot nowadays

What does it matter?

You've got 70 maybe 80, if you're lucky, years to run it.
Whose the boss here?

Make the best of it
You'll be dead soon enough
...cc

When you choose to assert a point then please do so.

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I'm a Bit slow But Abelated HAPPY BIRTHDAY Susan

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I'm a Bit slow But Abelated HAPPY BIRTHDAY Susan

Take it to the happy birthday thread and especially to the thread TIMELORD ET ALL...RUN BY THE MODERATOR RUNS....OK........TAKE IT THERE.....THIS IS THE RELIGIOUS THREAD......

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THIS IS NOT THE BIRTHDAY THREAD FOR TEAMMATES OF THE MODERATORS!!!!!!!!!!!


THIS IS FOR DISCUSION OF RELIGIOUN.....

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>>>When you choose to assert a point then please do so

Holy Mary Mother of God
Saints & Martyrs & Souls in Purgatory
Jesus H. Christ on a Raft &
Holy Water on the Brain....

My Point?

Fagetaboudit...cc