For those that are running Optimized enhanced Applications from Crunch3r Please Set "No New Work or Tasks." When BOINC completes the final Optimized Result and reports it... Stop BOINC and removed the Optimized Application from the Projects Directory.

When You restart BOINC Reset the Seti Project to allow the Standard Client to be downloaded.

So in about two or so weeks, your true average credit should be what it will be for that particular computer. Then the playing field is truely leveled.

Team Captains that have promoted the Optimized App are now "responsible" for helping Your Teams remove it.

Eric has asked for Your Help in sorting out what Credit should be Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment

Pappa

Edit Could Please have a Moderator make this Sticky for a BIT!
Thank You

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For those that are running Optimized enhanced Applications from Crunch3r Please Set "No New Work or Tasks." When BOINC completes the final Optimized Result and reports it... Stop BOINC and removed the Optimized Application from the Projects Directory.

When You restart BOINC Reset the Seti Project to allow the Standard Client to be downloaded.

So in about two or so weeks, your true average credit should be what it will be for that particular computer. Then the playing field is truely leveled.

Team Captains that have promoted the Optimized App are now "responsible" for helping Your Teams remove it.

Eric has asked for Your Help in sorting out what Credit should be Cross Project Credit Equalization and Adjustment

Pappa

Until I have a better reason to upgrade (or in my opinion, downgrade), I'll continue running the Optimized Application.

The 40-45% reduction in CPU time is more than enough reason for me to continue with what I have.

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I don't agree with this. At the time I downloaded the 5.12 app from Crunch3r's site it was good to go. As long as it is producing VALID work and NOT overclaiming I see no need to remove it. It's not my fault Crunch3r left this project! If the developers want to lock out work produced by apps provided Crunch3r then that is another matter.

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I don't see any official announcement that the Anonymous Platform Mechanism has been cancelled.

And what if someone else provides an optimized app ?

And what about those running Mac Seti Enhanced Optimized applications ?

Should they do the same ?

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As Crunch3r Stated he had removed/destroyed the source code on his computer. GPL states that it is supposed to be maintained for a period of time and available. So as it has been destroyed and his request to insure that things are "legal" it is only natural to request that you remove the software...

I remeber when someone bodly stated that his software was Illegal as it did not have the support text files... I went to work to help make it legal... So that flame war died down... There have been so many wars that I and Crunch3r are tired of the battle... I spent hours testing the first optimized apps, during that time I got no credit in seti testing was in a standalone mode... it was just a lot of hours... I have been testing in Beta in some circumstances was once again testing in the standalone mode... There were no beta credits, just hours/days of testing... So to an extent I guess that it about a year of testing that is now gone... I makes me sad...

So when everything is said and done, Crunch3r got tired of the whole mess. I do not blame him, esp when some people threatened to take him to court over the software... He Quit, someone feels that they have now won...

It is Done, Please remove the optimized application

Pappa

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If someone else wants to provide an Optimized App that is fine... Crunch3r has asked that his be removed from machines to insure that things are kept legal.

I don't see any official announcement that the Anonymous Platform Mechanism has been cancelled.

And what if someone else provides an optimized app ?

And what about those running Mac Seti Enhanced Optimized applications ?

Should they do the same ?

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I can not believe I am saying this but I for once agree with Pappa

If you are using the optimized app by Crunch3r - remove it.

The developer is asking for it to be removed.
I for one am upset by this but will comply with his wishes.

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I don't mean to insult anyone's authority here but.........

When I see a posting from Eric Korpela in this thread requesting that all the apps from Crunch3r be removed then I will happily comply. He is after all the Project administrator, Project developer and Project scientist for Seti. (More titles than Pappa)

Until then my boxes remain unchanged.

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Geek

I know what you are saying, I have sent email to hopefully have the final "offical" word... However the "Author" who took such a beating has requested that "His" software in "binary form" be removed to prevent legal issues... I am only the messenger...

I don't mean to insult anyone's authority here but.........

When I see a posting from Eric Korpela in this thread requesting that all the apps from Crunch3r be removed then I will happily comply. He is after all the Project administrator, Project developer and Project scientist for Seti. (More titles than Pappa)

Until then my boxes remain unchanged.

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If someone else wants to provide an Optimized App that is fine... Crunch3r has asked that his be removed from machines to insure that things are kept legal.

Pappa, I'm not a lawyer but I don't think Crunch3r can obligate anyone not to use his "freely offered" optimised app. If I'm reading the GPL correctly, it's his obligation to maintain *his* source code for 3 years as his code is based on SETI's original code and GPL for such. So, if he wants to be 'legal', it would seem he needs to resurrect his source.

So, based on that, I'll be using Crunch3r's 5.12 until Berkeley stops accepting 5.12 processed work.


kev

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If someone else wants to provide an Optimized App that is fine... Crunch3r has asked that his be removed from machines to insure that things are kept legal.

Pappa, I'm not a lawyer but I don't think Crunch3r can obligate anyone not to use his "freely offered" optimised app. If I'm reading the GPL correctly, it's his obligation to maintain *his* source code for 3 years as his code is based on SETI's original code and GPL for such. So, if he wants to be 'legal', it would seem he needs to resurrect his source.

So, based on that, I'll be using Crunch3r's 5.12 until Berkeley stops accepting 5.12 processed work.


kev

I'm just commenting -- no need to start another argument. If Crunch3r has not kept "his" sources and has stopped distributing the app. then he is no longer in compliance with the GPL.

... and if someone else keeps using it, they're safe, but Crunch3r is the one who would be in trouble.

So, the question here is, out of respect for Crunch3r, what is the right thing to do?

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I don't mean to insult anyone's authority here but.........

When I see a posting from Eric Korpela in this thread requesting that all the apps from Crunch3r be removed then I will happily comply. He is after all the Project administrator, Project developer and Project scientist for Seti. (More titles than Pappa)

Until then my boxes remain unchanged.

Eric has nothing to do with Crunch3r's apps - Crunch3r is the developer, not Berkeley.

You have not supported Crunch3r in his endevors anyway - so why would you support him in any other way - except to be a leach.

and I do recall you saying this "Since Copyright 2006 Crunch3r is all over Crunch3r's web site it would not be proper to distribute his work elsewhere without his permission."
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=30606

In your own words using/distrubuting his APP without his permission is also wrong.

To my knowledge you did not pay for it, it does not belong to you.

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... and if someone else keeps using it, they're safe, but Crunch3r is the one who would be in trouble.

So, the question here is, out of respect for Crunch3r, what is the right thing to do?

Of course the answer is in front of you - if you don't have permission - and we no longer do - DELETE IT.

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If someone else wants to provide an Optimized App that is fine... Crunch3r has asked that his be removed from machines to insure that things are kept legal.

Yes, I understand that. However, the legal position is probably still not clear, and hopefully we will have an official clarification from Eric.

So in about two or so weeks, your true average credit should be what it will be for that particular computer. Then the playing field is truely leveled.

However, my reference to Mac and other optimized is that how is it going to be a level playing field in terms of what you stated Eric is doing.....

And if it is to be a level field then obviously SETI will have to stop validating optimized apps otherwise the thing is moot.

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Geek

I know what you are saying, I have sent email to hopefully have the final "offical" word... However the "Author" who took such a beating has requested that "His" software in "binary form" be removed to prevent legal issues... I am only the messenger...

I don't mean to insult anyone's authority here but.........

When I see a posting from Eric Korpela in this thread requesting that all the apps from Crunch3r be removed then I will happily comply. He is after all the Project administrator, Project developer and Project scientist for Seti. (More titles than Pappa)

Until then my boxes remain unchanged.

Pappa,

We realize that you're just the messenger and I for one, promise not to shoot you!

Crunch3r can not mitigate his legal responsibility to provide his source code by asking everyone to remove the executable. Once he released the GPL'd executable, he committed himself to providing his source code to anyone who asked for it.

His only possible mitigation would be that he is no longer making the executable available.

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Eric has nothing to do with Crunch3r's apps - Crunch3r is the developer, not Berkeley.

You have not supported Crunch3r in his endevors anyway - so why would you support him in any other way - except to be a leach.

and I do recall you saying this "Since Copyright 2006 Crunch3r is all over Crunch3r's web site it would not be proper to distribute his work elsewhere without his permission."
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=30606

In your own words using/distrubuting his APP without his permission is also wrong.

To my knowledge you did not pay for it, it does not belong to you.

Well it's obvious you did not see my support for Crunch3r in Tony's original evil thread. As far as permission, when I downloaded the app from Crunch3r's site that in itself gives me his permission to use it.

Like I said....it is a simple procedure for Berkeley to lock out work from these apps. If they lock out 5.12 then I will not use it anymore.

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I don't mean to insult anyone's authority here but.........

When I see a posting from Eric Korpela in this thread requesting that all the apps from Crunch3r be removed then I will happily comply. He is after all the Project administrator, Project developer and Project scientist for Seti. (More titles than Pappa)

Until then my boxes remain unchanged.

Eric has nothing to do with Crunch3r's apps - Crunch3r is the developer, not Berkeley.

You have not supported Crunch3r in his endevors anyway - so why would you support him in any other way - except to be a leach.

and I do recall you saying this "Since Copyright 2006 Crunch3r is all over Crunch3r's web site it would not be proper to distribute his work elsewhere without his permission."
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=30606

In your own words using/distrubuting his APP without his permission is also wrong.

To my knowledge you did not pay for it, it does not belong to you.

Actually, he Copyrighted his web site, NOT the executables he was distributing. The downloads included a Copyright file that does NOT include Crunch3r's name in it. To be exact, the Copyright file includes the following statement:

"// This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it 
// under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the 
// Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option) any later
// version."

Editing to include the relevent portion of the GPL License:

3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)

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Actually, he Copyrighted his web site, NOT the executables he was distributing. The downloads included a Copyright file that does NOT include Crunch3r's name in it. To be exact, the Copyright file includes the following statement:

"// This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it 
// under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the 
// Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option) any later
// version."

I stand corrected - However - still in support of Crunch3r - I will remove it because he asked.
And I am a credit whore - so it will hurt.

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I stand corrected - However - still in support of Crunch3r - I will remove it because he asked.
And I am a credit whore - so it will hurt.

Your a good man Kevin.

[edit]But I recognize the mountain in the background of your parrot friend.[/edit]

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I stand corrected - However - still in support of Crunch3r - I will remove it because he asked.
And I am a credit whore - so it will hurt.

Good Man! With the Credit Analysis underway most of my machines are currently running barefoot... So I have set the ones "here" to No New Work.... D@mm it seems a lifetime ago, I started testing some of old optimized apps... I feel like a Friend Died!

and no, my average has not reached the bottom yet...

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