As reported in other threads the problems with the units that didn't error out were splitter BOINC problems not Seti. And the other problem of the win9x timer has actually been there since day one, it was just not noticed as much with the old apps. This is another problem that in future is going to be solved in BOINC, which should be responsible for timimg, not the app.
Crunch3r just got lucky.
Andy

What I said previously was to do with the standard app not doing an error or timing out. It was a BOINC splitter problem, not Seti app.

This should be sorted now see Eric K's post in forum_thread.php?id=30475#328637

Andy

Oh i get you now. I think what i meant had little to do with that (I'll give a bit more thorough read). I did get of few that where affected be that i'm sure. There always are the occasional botched batch of units but i meant the occasions where the app botches a good unit.

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JimR where in NC do you live?

Near Gastonia

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Jim

Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had.
Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had.

But the allegation of being a "bald-faced liar" did come from Berkeley. And I have yet to see any resolution on that either.

Yes, and the allegation that I'm an a****** that deliberately ignored a miracle client from Crunch3r came from directly Crunch3r, and I haven't seen any resolution to that.

OK, I'm sorry that I assumed that Crunch3r was lying when he said he sent the message. Now we'll see if Crunch3r will appologize for accusations that were directed against me. I'm ready to be surprised...

Eric.. You're starting to sound like Tony. You need to have your manager (Dr Dave) say something. You are not acting in a professional mannor, IMHO, but acting as a college kid that got caught in a situation you're not prepared for.

Here come the demands yet again. The hell with everyone that has a life, that has a family to care for, lets just all bow down to AZwoody, the all mighty chief.

You really don't want to solve the problem, but attack me instead. I think I got that right, based on your post.

I have the solution! For the nominal price of one triple chocolate donut y'all can blame me!

Better make that two donuts. And some marshmallows that I can toast over my open fire.

Throw in some hot chocolate and you can have two to blame.

I exchanged emails with crunch3r yesterday and he said he was no longer interested in s@h and no longer wanted to hear or read about s@h....

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Luckiest in the world. WMD = Weapon of Mass Distraction.
Click this table.

What I said previously was to do with the standard app not doing an error or timing out. It was a BOINC splitter problem, not Seti app.

This should be sorted now see Eric K's post in forum_thread.php?id=30475#328637

Andy

I just need to correct something here. Validators, Assimilator, and Splitters are generally project specific. BOINC provides templates but it is up to the projects to actually write them.

Hence the names:
sah_validate
sah_assimilator
sah_splitter

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I exchanged emails with crunch3r yesterday and he said he was no longer interested in s@h and no longer wanted to hear or read about s@h....

It's sad...another one bites the dust.

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This unbelivable debate is about to reach a point beyond my comprehension.

mmciastro has stated a point veiw regarding a questionable ESAH client. That is his choice and well within the limits of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, as it is, does not prevent any to make mistakes.
This doesnt mean that i agree with mmciastro because i dont. Infact i think he spilled his gutts and devaluated his integrety and trustvorthtness in this community, by picking on crunch3r on an obsrevation of a few results returned by a few of crunch3rs hosts - without establishing a dialoge with crunch3r before stating the topic in public - that is not serious research - and therefore i cannot take the statement seriously.

The dedikation and effort crunch3r, trux, tetsuo maverik rai and others have put into SAH and ESAH throughout time has been and will most likely be beneficial to SAH in many aspects - a matter of utilizing the vast access of computerpower, and not spill it all over by making an avarege coded client that obviously doesnt utilize processor specifik instructions very well. I couldnt care less about credits, except of braggin to my freinds of course, but if the network is able to compute the work in less time, the project has gained proportionally.

To mmciastro:
Please go elswhere and display your statements - you will most likely not be taken seriously again, but you might make a "good" politician.

To crunch3r:
Dont be snobby and please join us again - we appreciate your work.

To SAH:
You guys didnt handle this case very well.

To strikers:
I am not joining you guys because there is a limit to how numb a situaton can get - strikes are an powerfull tool dont ever forget that. But i have turned to other projects such as LHC, EAH, Rosetta and upcoming Feynman, until faster clients are developed.

To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Have a nice day!
Fred

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To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Tee hee

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This unbelivable debate is about to reach a point beyond my comprehension.

mmciastro has stated a point veiw regarding a questionable ESAH client. That is his choice and well within the limits of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, as it is, does not prevent any to make mistakes.
This doesnt mean that i agree with mmciastro because i dont. Infact i think he spilled his gutts and devaluated his integrety and trustvorthtness in this community, by picking on crunch3r on an obsrevation of a few results returned by a few of crunch3rs hosts - without establishing a dialoge with crunch3r before stating the topic in public - that is not serious research - and therefore i cannot take the statement seriously.

The dedikation and effort crunch3r, trux, tetsuo maverik rai and others have put into SAH and ESAH throughout time has been and will most likely be beneficial to SAH in many aspects - a matter of utilizing the vast access of computerpower, and not spill it all over by making an avarege coded client that obviously doesnt utilize processor specifik instructions very well. I couldnt care less about credits, except of braggin to my freinds of course, but if the network is able to compute the work in less time, the project has gained proportionally.

To mmciastro:
Please go elswhere and display your statements - you will most likely not be taken seriously again, but you might make a "good" politician.

To crunch3r:
Dont be snobby and please join us again - we appreciate your work.

To SAH:
You guys didnt handle this case very well.

To strikers:
I am not joining you guys because there is a limit to how numb a situaton can get - strikes are an powerfull tool dont ever forget that. But i have turned to other projects such as LHC, EAH, Rosetta and upcoming Feynman, until faster clients are developed.

To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Have a nice day!
Fred

Brilliant first post!

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This unbelivable debate is about to reach a point beyond my comprehension.

mmciastro has stated a point veiw regarding a questionable ESAH client. That is his choice and well within the limits of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, as it is, does not prevent any to make mistakes.
This doesnt mean that i agree with mmciastro because i dont. Infact i think he spilled his gutts and devaluated his integrety and trustvorthtness in this community, by picking on crunch3r on an obsrevation of a few results returned by a few of crunch3rs hosts - without establishing a dialoge with crunch3r before stating the topic in public - that is not serious research - and therefore i cannot take the statement seriously.

The dedikation and effort crunch3r, trux, tetsuo maverik rai and others have put into SAH and ESAH throughout time has been and will most likely be beneficial to SAH in many aspects - a matter of utilizing the vast access of computerpower, and not spill it all over by making an avarege coded client that obviously doesnt utilize processor specifik instructions very well. I couldnt care less about credits, except of braggin to my freinds of course, but if the network is able to compute the work in less time, the project has gained proportionally.

To mmciastro:
Please go elswhere and display your statements - you will most likely not be taken seriously again, but you might make a "good" politician.

To crunch3r:
Dont be snobby and please join us again - we appreciate your work.

To SAH:
You guys didnt handle this case very well.

To strikers:
I am not joining you guys because there is a limit to how numb a situaton can get - strikes are an powerfull tool dont ever forget that. But i have turned to other projects such as LHC, EAH, Rosetta and upcoming Feynman, until faster clients are developed.

To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Have a nice day!
Fred

Applaud, clap clap, cheer, applaud.

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@JavaPersona: Spot on!

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This unbelivable debate is about to reach a point beyond my comprehension.

mmciastro has stated a point veiw regarding a questionable ESAH client. That is his choice and well within the limits of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, as it is, does not prevent any to make mistakes.
This doesnt mean that i agree with mmciastro because i dont. Infact i think he spilled his gutts and devaluated his integrety and trustvorthtness in this community, by picking on crunch3r on an obsrevation of a few results returned by a few of crunch3rs hosts - without establishing a dialoge with crunch3r before stating the topic in public - that is not serious research - and therefore i cannot take the statement seriously.

The dedikation and effort crunch3r, trux, tetsuo maverik rai and others have put into SAH and ESAH throughout time has been and will most likely be beneficial to SAH in many aspects - a matter of utilizing the vast access of computerpower, and not spill it all over by making an avarege coded client that obviously doesnt utilize processor specifik instructions very well. I couldnt care less about credits, except of braggin to my freinds of course, but if the network is able to compute the work in less time, the project has gained proportionally.

To mmciastro:
Please go elswhere and display your statements - you will most likely not be taken seriously again, but you might make a "good" politician.

To crunch3r:
Dont be snobby and please join us again - we appreciate your work.

To SAH:
You guys didnt handle this case very well.

To strikers:
I am not joining you guys because there is a limit to how numb a situaton can get - strikes are an powerfull tool dont ever forget that. But i have turned to other projects such as LHC, EAH, Rosetta and upcoming Feynman, until faster clients are developed.

To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Have a nice day!
Fred

Have to agree can't be said any better!

I'd like to add a new perspective to the discussion about distributing over-claiming seti applications:

V 5.11 right from the source..

I guess someone needs to pull this version, too.


Regards Hans

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I'd like to add a new perspective to the discussion about distributing over-claiming seti applications:

V 5.11 right from the source..

I guess someone needs to pull this version, too.


Regards Hans

Are beta binaries open to everyone? I would have thought not. Are people using them for production work? Hmmm sounds like if they are being distributed by the project no caveats then then they must be OK to use?

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I'd like to add a new perspective to the discussion about distributing over-claiming seti applications:

V 5.11 right from the source..

I guess someone needs to pull this version, too.


Regards Hans

Agreed.... Are all the naysayers now going to trash Berkeley the way Crunch3r was because Berkeley is distributing a 'banned' application....???

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I exchanged emails with crunch3r yesterday and he said he was no longer interested in s@h and no longer wanted to hear or read about s@h....

Same here, my last post!
P@H seems to get better credits for me, and some CPDN, LHC.
Credits done by seti, is 481764.

Cya2 in other projects!!

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I'd like to add a new perspective to the discussion about distributing over-claiming seti applications:

V 5.11 right from the source..

I guess someone needs to pull this version, too.


Regards Hans

Agreed.... Are all the naysayers now going to trash Berkeley the way Crunch3r was because Berkeley is distributing a 'banned' application....???

Well yes they might indeed. Had not thought of that. I too think it should be pulled without delay to avoid any confusion or cause anyone using it to have the same fate as Crunch3r albeit it is there for free distribution from the offical site.

But interestingly it perhaps proves beyond all doubt that Crunch3r was innocent and anyone that questioned that position should tender their apologies to him for causing so much disharmony, unhappiness, stress to him and it all being both a useless and unwelcome distraction form the work at hand for the rest of us.

Terrible handling on this whole episode straight terrible.

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It is over

Are there any site providing optimized clients?
in a message from Crunch3r he has deleted the source code and asked that everyone remove it from their computers.

There is no need for a Strike, there were no winners. There is a need to get the credit system fixed...

So it time to go back to Work, Crunch Or Stop it is Your Choice please just do it quietly...

Pappa

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There is now an English version of the blog entry I've mentioned before on some sociologically (and otherwise) interesting points about the strike, thanks to Dr. Christoph Jansen.
You'll find it at http://fischer.uni-hd.de/efcblog/special/seti_strike.htm. Have a look ...

There is now an English version of the blog entry I've mentioned before on some sociologically (and otherwise) interesting points about the strike, thanks to Dr. Christoph Jansen.
You'll find it at http://fischer.uni-hd.de/efcblog/special/seti_strike.htm. Have a look ...

Great read I must say.

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