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Message 242 - Posted: 11 Jun 2004, 0:19:31 UTC - in response to Message 229.

> > Credits are granted after three different hosts return results that the
> > verifier determines are "the same". The credit granted will be the
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> > the three credit requests.
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Yeah still got that bug in the server!

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Message 253 - Posted: 11 Jun 2004, 5:31:13 UTC - in response to Message 232.

> Two have been completed and one is still in progress.

The 20.34 credit has already been granted.

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Message 254 - Posted: 11 Jun 2004, 5:40:03 UTC - in response to Message 253.

> > Two have been completed and one is still in progress.
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> The 20.34 credit has already been granted.

I guess the question is, will it change when the third result is returned?

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Message 262 - Posted: 11 Jun 2004, 8:04:41 UTC
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Hi

I think it will not.
Its a little confusing, for one WU i get granted credit after two results.
The other maybe 14 WUs i had two results returned but no granted credits.
Its still waiting for the third result i think.
But dont no wy some WUs getting granted credits after two results returned.

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Message 272 - Posted: 11 Jun 2004, 10:32:23 UTC

It won't grant credit when the third person's workunit is Unsent. I now got two units with granted credits, both with only two returned claimed credits, while the third is still in progress. I have never seen it chance later on, not in Beta anyway. And I would assume the same 'rules' play on this server?
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Message 274 - Posted: 11 Jun 2004, 11:27:10 UTC - in response to Message 272.

> It won't grant credit when the third person's workunit is Unsent. I now got
> two units with granted credits, both with only two returned claimed credits,
> while the third is still in progress. I have never seen it chance later on,
> not in Beta anyway. And I would assume the same 'rules' play on this server?
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Beta was set up for two. Pre-Release was supposed to be set up for three. However, there were several thousand WUs that had 2 as the quorum. Dev is (or was) looking into why. Beta is now also set up for three.

What you were seeing that caused Beta to not grant credit is a validator bug(s).
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Message 276 - Posted: 11 Jun 2004, 11:37:07 UTC

Thanks John. :)

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Message 279 - Posted: 11 Jun 2004, 14:55:05 UTC

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Message 301 - Posted: 12 Jun 2004, 11:55:15 UTC - in response to Message 274.
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> Beta was set up for two. Pre-Release was supposed to be set up for three.
> However, there were several thousand WUs that had 2 as the quorum. Dev is (or
> was) looking into why. Beta is now also set up for three.

That's what I said. But remember not to talk about Beta in past tense :-))

> What you were seeing that caused Beta to not grant credit is a validator
> bug(s).

The good thing about this, if so, would be that there is a validator checking the returned results.
The bad thing is that it's still fishy.
I don't bother too much about this "didn't need" messages which grant credits after "only" two results were returned. Looks like it didn't hurt anyone.

Although I don't care for credits I'm looking at my results very carefully. It's important to have the credit-system running well to avoid problems and angry users when Boinc goes public (with Seti. Maybe other Projects are facing different or, in the best case, no problems).

Now I saw something drawing question-marks on my face:

This Workunit has been finished by three hosts running the same CC/SAH-pair successfully with a reasonable small difference in time and claimed credit.
No matter what still none of these hosts (including mine) gets granted credit for the result it successfully returned.
The WU is not in the server's process anymore, you can see it's not about to be resent to any other host in the coming future.
So what's going on? I have to confess I've got no clue.

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Message 315 - Posted: 13 Jun 2004, 1:01:56 UTC
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The validator has not had a chance to compare the results, when completed and accepted as a valid result you will get credit.
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Message 316 - Posted: 13 Jun 2004, 2:28:48 UTC - in response to Message 315.

> The validator has not had a chance to compare the results, when completed and
> accepted as a valid result you will get credit.
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Actually, some of these never get credit. IMO, this is a validator bug. If none of the results can be matched, it needs to be sent out again until three results are found that do match. I have a few in BETA that have not been granted credit, and are in this state since February or so.

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Message 324 - Posted: 13 Jun 2004, 8:55:17 UTC

>This Workunit has been finished by three hosts running the same CC/SAH-pair
>successfully with a reasonable small difference in time and claimed credit.
>No matter what still none of these hosts (including mine) gets granted credit
>for the result it successfully returned.
>The WU is not in the server's process anymore, you can see it's not about to
>be resent to any other host in the coming future.
>So what's going on? I have to confess I've got no clue.

The validate state on that workunit is still initial on all three returns. Eventaully the server should notice that it is not finished and generate more results to send out.

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Message 329 - Posted: 13 Jun 2004, 12:06:56 UTC

This workunit has been crunched by 3 people, yet as you can see, it's not the middle credit that was granted. It was the lowest one.

Also a validator bug?

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Message 330 - Posted: 13 Jun 2004, 12:14:32 UTC

Hi

Every result i see on my host has the lowest credit granted.
Its the same in the Beta Test.
We must life for a while with this situation.

Just my opinion.

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Message 334 - Posted: 13 Jun 2004, 14:56:33 UTC

@jORDEN
Check result 5370
stderr out core_client_version3.07 core_client_version
stderr_txt
unknown signal 3
Exiting...
SIGHUP: terminal line hangup
Exiting...
SIGHUP: terminal line hangup
Exiting...
SIGHUP: terminal line hangup
Exiting...
SIGHUP: terminal line hangup
Exiting...

stderr_txt

maybe this is why it was not used to to determined the mid requested credit.

@Mike
I have seen a couple of wu that used the middle Claim Credit.
There are some 3500 wu's [as a day or so ago] that only required two wu results to grant credit. Maybe this is one of those, but was sent to three hoist.

My hyper thread hoist would have claim 10 credits.
There is a lot of work that needs to be done on the credit system, bench marks, etc.
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Message 338 - Posted: 13 Jun 2004, 15:50:33 UTC

Hmmm, great. The other error that I asked about and never got an answer on. ;)
So what is this terminal line hangup? Does anyone know? It's the Linux box that gives out these errors.


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