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Message 15918 - Posted: 20 Aug 2004, 22:38:44 UTC
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I am a self-crowned expert people watcher. Whenever I'm out to eat by myself I make sure I face the room, or out the window, or wherever I can watch people walk by and interact.

After spending some time on this board I've seen people aggressively state and defend their opinions on both sides of the Seti/Boinc issue. For the people who criticize Seti/Boinc, I hear that the justification for this behavior is that they need to let off some steam and vent frustration.

However, it seems that some people have gone past simple venting. They aggressively and relentlessly attatck anyone who utters even the smallest praise for Seti/Boinc, often boring them into submission with the same arguments.

You know who you are.

My question is for you. What are you trying to accomplish with this constant badmouthing of Seti/Boinc? It's gone past venting frustration. Are you trying to turn people away from the project? Do you want the project to stop trying to fix its issues and fail? What are you trying to accomplish?
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Message 15920 - Posted: 20 Aug 2004, 22:59:54 UTC
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Message 15924 - Posted: 20 Aug 2004, 23:14:33 UTC
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I am looking for a serious reply. Please don't change the subject with your attempts at wit.
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Message 15931 - Posted: 20 Aug 2004, 23:41:16 UTC

yep cheerleader. its alot more entertaining than whatching boinc fail again and again. oh and again and again.
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Message 15933 - Posted: 20 Aug 2004, 23:46:57 UTC

Okay, so far we have:

1) Doesn't understand the question.
2) Doesn't have anything better to do than sit on a message board and complain about something you volunteer to do.

You guys aren't making yourselves look any more intelligent.
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Message 15960 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 1:11:56 UTC - in response to Message 15933.  

> Okay, so far we have:
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> 1) Doesn't understand the question.
> 2) Doesn't have anything better to do than sit on a message board and complain
> about something you volunteer to do.
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> You guys aren't making yourselves look any more intelligent.
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and what are you doing, sitting around complaining about us complainers. maybe you should face a mirror. not even tring to look intelligent I'll leave that to you.
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Message 15965 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 1:29:43 UTC - in response to Message 15918.  

> I am a self-crowned expert people watcher. Whenever I'm out to eat by myself
> I make sure I face the room, or out the window, or wherever I can watch people
> walk by and interact.
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Ok so now you became a "self-crowned expert people reader" ?
You can tell what kind of person I am by reading my posts.
Christ ! we are lucky that this is not a "hand written" board
You could get to know the color of my underwear or the size
of my d...



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Message 15966 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 1:34:49 UTC
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I guess I have my answer. All people want is to cause trouble, and they herd together for support :) Consider my case study closed.
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Message 15969 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 1:51:08 UTC - in response to Message 15966.  

> I guess I have my answer. All people want is to cause trouble, and they herd
> together for support :) Consider my case study closed.
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I was jokking Matt ! Don't take it that way.

To seriously answer your question I complain, when I do, to make SETI
WAKE UP hopping they would take drastic decision to make thing works.
I have never complained just for the fun of doing so and I have never
attacked those who are not complaining. I respect all opinions.

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Message 15970 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 1:53:21 UTC - in response to Message 15918.  

> I am a self-crowned expert people watcher. Whenever I'm out to eat by myself
> I make sure I face the room, or out the window, or wherever I can watch people
> walk by and interact.
>
> After spending some time on this board I've seen people aggressively state and
> defend their opinions on both sides of the Seti/Boinc issue. For the people
> who criticize Seti/Boinc, I hear that the justification for this behavior is
> that they need to let off some steam and vent frustration.
>
> However, it seems that some people have gone past simple venting. They
> aggressively and relentlessly attatck anyone who utters even the smallest
> praise for Seti/Boinc, often boring them into submission with the same
> arguments.
>
> You know who you are.
>


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Dear Matt,
Try to cool down a bit – all of you. Some battles you fight some you don’t and this is one you shouldn’t fight. The frustration is enormous from us volunteers and just because the fact that we are volunteers and not able to do what we volunteered for is the reason why some of us vent more then we should. Easy to understand I guess! :-)

The best this BOINC project can do at the moment is to redirect all users back to the old SETI so the guys have time to bring everything up in a proper way. It is very obvious that this BOINC was launched way too early - not even proper backup routines were in place, one hardware failure after the other. The guys acting like a fire squad - trying to fix wherever something goes wrong.

So why not reconsider the situation and close it down for a couple of weeks and re-launch BOINC when they know they have something stable to show.

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> My question is for you. What are you trying to accomplish with this constant
> badmouthing of Seti/Boinc? It's gone past venting frustration. Are you
> trying to turn people away from the project? Do you want the project to stop
> trying to fix its issues and fail? What are you trying to accomplish?
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Message 15971 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 2:02:16 UTC

I appreciate your level-headed response Peder, but I feel like this board is overrun with people that have nothing better to do than bash the project. Like I said, it has gone PAST venting frustration. You have to have noticed that. This is what I'm stressing. Now it's just open hate and aggression.

Now nobody can say ANYTHING positive without some clown like Woody or the morons in this thread jumping on you. They think they're clever for calling you a "cheerleader" just because you support Seti despite it's shortcomings. (Look in this thread for an example of this! Right off the bat!) It's like supporting the project is illegal, which is silly on a board devoted to the project!

As for Petit, you just happened to be the last person to post, and thus you got the brunt of my frustration.
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Message 15972 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 2:02:55 UTC
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There are plenty of work units at the moment! People are happier when there is work available.
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Message 15974 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 2:11:15 UTC
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I understand your point Matt. Things will get better when SETI start
working fine. We will have less frustrations and more time to talk
about number crunching, science, and other constructive subject.

Regards
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Message 15976 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 2:12:10 UTC - in response to Message 15971.  
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No worries Matt. You’re allowed the let it all out and please take I out on me - Not a problem!
Yes, I’ve bee reading some of the threads here and I do agree with you. I wouldn’t miss some of the guys here that I’m very sure about!

Keep up and cool down. I’m standing right behind you!
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Message 15980 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 2:28:41 UTC

You're right, I shouldn't resort to open hostility like these clowns, but it bothers me to know that the Seti development team might think that we're all loudmouth losers who just want to complain. That's why I started this thread awhile back: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=1988

I'm sorry for any harsh words towards you, Peder, and especially Petit. I said some really mean things to Petit in a post, but I removed them :)
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Message 15982 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 2:36:22 UTC - in response to Message 15980.  

As I said earlier – No worries Matt!
That’s the way it is sometimes and I do understand the frustration and the use of wrong wording. I’m like that my self… ;-)

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Message 15984 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 2:42:18 UTC - in response to Message 15980.  
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> You're right, I shouldn't resort to open hostility like these clowns, but it
> bothers me to know that the Seti development team might think that we're all
> loudmouth losers who just want to complain. That's why I started this thread
> awhile back: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=1988
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> I'm sorry for any harsh words towards you, Peder, and especially Petit. I
> said some really mean things to Petit in a post, but I removed them :)
>
>

Remember Matt, that those that are "overly optimistic" about the current state of Boinc cause as much damage as those point out problems! (maybe more!) (you give an unreal expectation to newbies!)(matt says it's ok, so we just got another 1000 user's that are now complaining cause it's been down 9 of the last 10 days!)

You whine about whiners, and then whine when the whiner's whine!

I observe people too, and I observer you're someone who cant't admit that Seti/Boinc has had some major problems! (after an 18 month beta) Now classic, when launched, had what, a 2 week beta?

I observer that you think it "must be good as I liked the beta, and only my opinion counts"!

Face it Matt Seti/Boinc/C2 is now on life support!
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Message 15985 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 3:16:00 UTC

Matt, for a self-proclaimed people watcher you certainly don't seem to know much about people. There are a lot of reasons why people come to these boards and either praise the project or condemn it.

There are people like Woody who complain, but back it up with a certain amount of knowledge that he offers to those of us who read the boards, including the developers of the project. There are those like Pascal who constantly tell all of us that everything is OK, it's going to get better, there's nothing to worry about, and that loss of work unit credits, which happens all the time, is nothing that roses and teddy bears won't fix.

Some people come here to vent their frustration, and threaten to quit (sometimes they do and sometimes they don't), but what do you care? They're plenty more where they came from. There are some who come here just to read these posts, which you have to admit, can be entertaining.

Why did the project developers put a message board here anyway? There's another one for questions and problems, so what is the purpose of this one? Could it be that the developers want to gauge how things are going? Isn't it nice that there's a forum here that allows input from the public on anything of interest to the participants?

There have been suggestions posted here on technical matters, on public-relations, on what could have been done better or may be done better in the future -- sometimes couched in the rawest of terms, but perhaps helpful anyway. As for the vicious attacks, they come from both "cheerleaders" and "trolls" and are equally unhelpful, but there is alot to be read between the lines.

If I were developer on this project I would spend some time looking at these boards (disregarding the 90% that is just "letting off steam"), and ask my development team what can be done to ease the problems that cause such an outpouring? One thing that I've noticed that SETI II has done better than classic SETI (but not well enough for me) is to put on their homepage more information and news about the status of the project, still when you read these boards many participants post questions and comments that make it clear they have not seen that information.

And there's another thing that we see happening on these boards: people come here just to find out what's going on because things aren't working the way they should and there's no other place to go. Sometimes I just read these messages to see if I can glean information about the project or gauge how people are responding to it, and I'm sorry to say that during this last outage (that appears to have resulted in another loss of results), there has been a lot less comment. And that worries me because it seems that some of those who gave up on this project really are gone . . .
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Message 15987 - Posted: 21 Aug 2004, 3:31:06 UTC

And that worries me because it seems that some of those who gave up on this project really are gone . . .
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Well they may be gone for now but I think a lot of them will be back once things start to run a little smoother. I pulled the plug after this last fiasco and put some computers over at CPDN & Predictor because I didn't expect anything to be going on here until early next week, but when I seen that some people where getting WU's here today I begrudgingly brought one back to see if I could get any myself & I did get enough to run for awhile anyway. I'm still pondering whether to bring back more or not.

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