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trux Send message Joined: 6 Feb 01 Posts: 344 Credit: 1,127,051 RAC: 0 |
Just coming briefly to the original topic of this thread - the infection. Although it is not entirely clear how the alien BOINC installation gets into the computer, from what we heard I do not think that the common protection (AV/firewall) necessarily helps. Well, if you have no BOINC installed at all, then your firewall should screem at the next connection attempt, though since the BOINC client was masked as MS update service, less experienced users won't suspect it, and those who already use BOINC, will get cheated even more likely too. Unlike our colleague Halifax--lad, I do not think that it is the problem of the victims, because they did not protect themselves suffciently: Halifax--lad wrote: People who use the internet with no protection and open email that should just be trashed are stupid in my book.Halifax--lad, I see you are using optimized client from Tetsuji, that you have downloaded as a binary, most likely from a 3rd party server (I think Tetsuji does not even offer it on his server, you can only find it at Marisan). AFAIK, it did not come with any warranty, privacy policy, terms of use, license or any agreement. Tetsuji Maverick Rai or Marisan.nl are more or less anonymous BOINC members - in case of problems you might have problems to call them for responsability. So how do you know that the binary you downloaded and installed does exactly what you expect and not something else? NOTE: please do not take me wrong - unlike you, I do know Tetsuji's version is OK, because I compiled it myself from his source code. All I want to tell, is that you are accusing others from ignorance and stupidity but in fact do not act differently. Any time you launch an application, you are in mercy of its author. It is quite well possible that the author of the BOINC Trojan or virus did it in very similar way (by offering some usefull program). Does it mean you consider yourself "stupid in your book" too? Well, even if you do (you may be right finally), I mean we have to fight against this abuse on all levels - many proposals were already presented in this thread (human interaction during host registration, unhiding hosts, disk and RAM checks, investigation of suspects, cooperating with AV companies,...). If we faild doing it, we well risk the future of the entire BOINC system. trux BOINC software Freediving Team Czech Republic |
Temujin Send message Joined: 19 Oct 99 Posts: 292 Credit: 47,872,052 RAC: 0 |
I cannot see how showing your hosts will help to prove/disprove suspect activity.Please read further below. It was already discussed and examples shown. ok I've found this
ok, i can understand where your coming from but I still don't see that removing the hide computers option will improve things. An account would presumably be initially investigated by fellow seti users because it has aquired a high RAC. With visible hosts, said investigators would look at the hosts and may decide theres something "fishy" and report it to Berkeley. With hidden hosts, said investigators may decide theres something "fishy" and report it to Berkeley. Same result in both cases, they both get refered to Berkeley. Why risk possibly losing a good number of users who may think they are being forced to reveal their computers when the don't want to all because one user with a very high RAC may be doing something "illicit" |
MikeSW17 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1603 Credit: 2,700,523 RAC: 0 |
I'm just wondering how much longer before Godwin's Law kicks-in, it can't be far off... |
Michael Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4608 Credit: 7,427,891 RAC: 18 |
Thats what I am trying to say. I think NEZ is suspect. 301,000 RAC is suspect. Who cares if he hides his machines or not. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Thats what I am trying to say. I think NEZ is suspect. Whatever it is you're trying to say, you're not saying it very well! Can we drag this up from the bad old dark ages of The Inquisition and Witch Hunts? And can you credit Berkeley with at least a little good sense please...? The top leaders have been mentioned before and I can't believe that the devs have not got a little curiosity to take a look at the numbers. And I strongly agree with Jack G (for once). There are a number of very good and very honest reasons for why a participant might not want to reveal their machine types and OS types. Now poke out your own green envious eyes and get crunchin! Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Michael Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4608 Credit: 7,427,891 RAC: 18 |
Nah, I am quite proud of my RAC. |
Michael Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4608 Credit: 7,427,891 RAC: 18 |
I'm just wondering how much longer before Godwin's Law kicks-in, it can't be far off... I'll bite...maybe we are the RAC Nazi's sent by Hitler? *snicker* |
Temujin Send message Joined: 19 Oct 99 Posts: 292 Credit: 47,872,052 RAC: 0 |
even with NEZ not showing his hosts its easy enough to find info about his seti RAC. Take a look at his listing on OcUK and boincstats ok he only started hitting hard from July last year but his returns have been constant. I would imagine that someone sneaking seti onto hundreds of CPUs using a trojan or however it was done would show a RAC that is constantly rising. Is see no reason to suspect anything at all. |
Crunch3r Send message Joined: 15 Apr 99 Posts: 1546 Credit: 3,438,823 RAC: 0 |
Hey guys, don't you think it's time to stop this whole witch hunt ? I think it's going way to far from now on. I don't know about NEZ but if Matt says he's ok why don't you just leave it that way ? Join BOINC United now! |
Crunch3r Send message Joined: 15 Apr 99 Posts: 1546 Credit: 3,438,823 RAC: 0 |
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Lazy2 Send message Joined: 4 Sep 00 Posts: 14 Credit: 23,552,278 RAC: 0 |
We need to put our trust in the Gentleman at Berkeley. After all it is their project and they have the ability to tell what is going on with the users better than anyone. I feel it is time for this thread to die, This horse has been beaten enough... Lets have some fun and Crunch! This is only a test... |
Jack Gulley Send message Joined: 4 Mar 03 Posts: 423 Credit: 526,566 RAC: 0 |
And then there are those Anonymous owner machines like this one and and this one running Crunch3r application, doing two WU per hour and claiming around 60 Credits for each one, which seems a bit much. Or one claiming 50, and another claiming 50, and another claiming 58. All are Xeon processors that have what seem to be very high Floating Point and/or Integer benchmarks, even for an Xeon processor. (Wish I knew how to write the script to search and sort hostID by Floating Point benchmark, and later by Integer benchmark.) Now if they all belong to one or two "Anonymous" user or team, it might be time to start drying out the firewood for the next part of the hunt. I might even change my mind about hidden computers and at least want them linked to an account ID that shows the number or machines and hostID's. |
KB7RZF Send message Joined: 15 Aug 99 Posts: 9549 Credit: 3,308,926 RAC: 2 |
Man, Im glad great minds think alike. I remember posting something a bit earlier in the thread saying the same thing. But it continues on and on and on, kinda like a broken record. This has turn into more of a "Lets point fingers here, lets point the fingers there". Can't we just let the folks at Berkeley deal with the situation at hand, quit trying to find others who everyone believes is "cheating" and go on with our crunching? |
Michael Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4608 Credit: 7,427,891 RAC: 18 |
I just want to get my Pentium MMX 200Mhz to crunch something... mauahahahahaha |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
I just want to get my Pentium MMX 200Mhz to crunch something... It needs 96Mb RAM (current) or 64Mb RAM (enhanced). BOINC WIKI |
Michael Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4608 Credit: 7,427,891 RAC: 18 |
I just want to get my Pentium MMX 200Mhz to crunch something... Got 96mb. I keep trying to toss an optimized app at it...thinkI am going to have to stick with a standard app. I will let this cruinch for a few days and see what happens...she's crunching now. |
Scarecrow Send message Joined: 15 Jul 00 Posts: 4520 Credit: 486,601 RAC: 0 |
I just want to get my Pentium MMX 200Mhz to crunch something... Get this guy's recipe... last few units have gone so fast they can't be clocked. ;) |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
I just want to get my Pentium MMX 200Mhz to crunch something... What? use a development version that was never released (4.68) that has a known bug where it sometimes reports 0 seconds of CPU time even after hours of processing? Not exactly bright. BOINC WIKI |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
Get this guy's recipe... last few units have gone so fast they can't be clocked. ;) Wasn't one of Trux's old optimized clients based on 4.68? |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
Get this guy's recipe... last few units have gone so fast they can't be clocked. ;) I like his CPU: CPU type i386 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz Intel keeps amazing me. |
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