Ever notice back in the 1980's, that a 13 year old, looked like a 13 year old? Today's average teenager looks like they are in their 20's. A lot of statutory rape claims have been filed since, by parents and young teenagers alike. Ever notice that, compared to the 1980's, there are a lot more obese people in the U.S. than there ever was before? I'm sure you have all heard about the chemical's being put into our foods, fed to the livestock, or used as pesticides on our vegetables. Yet the FDA allows this? Price of perscription drugs are out the roof! Meat prices have tripled. Government demands there be a nutrition label on all food and beverages sold to the public or be accessible to the public, because the public was filing lawsuits for being obese, getting sick, or other problems related. I'm also sure you have heard that there has been cures found for certian diseases, located in common widely grown foods, such as the tomato. Why won't the FDA widely distubute it? Because they can't make a huge profit off of something so common as the tomato without the public fighting them if they raised the price. If they could make a profit, it would be sold for such a price that no one without a lot of money could afford it or has health insurance. Yes, we all know hospitals can not refuse you service to help you, but who said hospitals do eveything in their willpower to actually save you, unless they know your paying their paycheck? The list of things that is wrong and corrupt about the system is endless. Technically, what doesn't the FDA regulate or control at one point or another, that we eat everyday? Or use to help try and make our lives better, whether or not those of us who may or may not be able to afford it? I can go on and on about things over the years I have seen progressivly get worse. What do you think is going on? Sounds like a monopoly and a form of capitalism to me. I thought there was supposed to be a law passed that said there will be no single monopoly in the U.S.? Please share your input with me and help to either enlighten my judgement or consort with my opinions.

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Deuteronomy 28

45 All these curses shall come upon you and pursue you and overtake you, till you are destroyed, because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded you.


It's all explained in the manual... ;)

Ever notice back in the 1980's, that a 13 year old, looked like a 13 year old? Today's average teenager looks like they are in their 20's. A lot of statutory rape claims have been filed since, by parents and young teenagers alike. Ever notice that, compared to the 1980's, there are a lot more obese people in the U.S. than there ever was before? I'm sure you have all heard about the chemical's being put into our foods, fed to the livestock, or used as pesticides on our vegetables. Yet the FDA allows this? Price of perscription drugs are out the roof! Meat prices have tripled. Government demands there be a nutrition label on all food and beverages sold to the public or be accessible to the public, because the public was filing lawsuits for being obese, getting sick, or other problems related. I'm also sure you have heard that there has been cures found for certian diseases, located in common widely grown foods, such as the tomato. Why won't the FDA widely distubute it? Because they can't make a huge profit off of something so common as the tomato without the public fighting them if they raised the price. If they could make a profit, it would be sold for such a price that no one without a lot of money could afford it or has health insurance. Yes, we all know hospitals can not refuse you service to help you, but who said hospitals do eveything in their willpower to actually save you, unless they know your paying their paycheck? The list of things that is wrong and corrupt about the system is endless. Technically, what doesn't the FDA regulate or control at one point or another, that we eat everyday? Or use to help try and make our lives better, whether or not those of us who may or may not be able to afford it? I can go on and on about things over the years I have seen progressivly get worse. What do you think is going on? Sounds like a monopoly and a form of capitalism to me. I thought there was supposed to be a law passed that said there will be no single monopoly in the U.S.? Please share your input with me and help to either enlighten my judgement or consort with my opinions.

The FDA only regulates food and drugs that cross state lines. Folks operating a market at the edge of their farm are free to sell or not sell whatever they want, although generic "business" rules do apply. The FDA also regulates some, but not all, types of pills. Herbal remedies generally escape regulation.

More people want to see herbal remedies regulated than want to see pharmaceutical drugs de-regulated. If the FDA is really gunning for a particular supplement, they declare it to be a drug then effectively ban anyone from prescribing it.

I haven't noticed the changes in 13-year-olds. I was a 13-year-old at one point in the 80's, but lately I haven't been terribly interested in scoping out the local teens looking for date. There may be some physiological difference, but IMHO the main difference between then and now is how teens are dressing. We now have garments that could make a boy look curvy.

With hindsight, we will doubtless find some chemical or other that should not have been allowed into the food chain. People a hundred years from now will wonder how we survived, just as we wonder about the food eaten during the 1800's. However, current enviro-wacko groups are sounding the alarm over perfectly harmless chemicals and forcing industry to invest hard-earned R&D dollars on proving the obvious rather than improving their products. For example, recently there was a scare about the plastic used in IV bags and children's soft-plastic toys. This plastic has been used for over 50 years without being linked to a single human case of cancer, yet we get all this hype about it and the petro-chemical industry has to prove that a safe product with decades of history is safe enough for use.

Once the anti-chemical groups have exhausted the public with an endless parade of false alarms, someone is going to stumble across a real danger, but the world will just yawn and dismiss it.

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

However, current enviro-wacko groups are sounding the alarm over perfectly harmless chemicals and forcing industry to invest hard-earned R&D dollars on proving the obvious rather than improving their products. For example, recently there was a scare about the plastic used in IV bags and children's soft-plastic toys. This plastic has been used for over 50 years without being linked to a single human case of cancer, yet we get all this hype about it and the petro-chemical industry has to prove that a safe product with decades of history is safe enough for use.

Once the anti-chemical groups have exhausted the public with an endless parade of false alarms, someone is going to stumble across a real danger, but the world will just yawn and dismiss it.

Not to mention, life spans have been getting longer. Why? because we have better health care, better nutrition, et cetera. People who are getting sick, or malnourished, or wink, wink, nudge, nudge, thrown under the bus by their hospitals would drag that average life span down quickly.

Much of what is "wrong and corrupt about the system" comes from people begging the gov't to interfere, and the gov't skrewing it up.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

'Not to mention, life spans have been getting longer. Why?'


You seem to be forgetting the people who are living so long these days are the ones that grew up well before we ever had all these issues...

Most of them have never needed to rely on prescription medication, never ate contaminated food, never drank contaminated water, never breathed contaminated oxygen, not too mention all the other dangerous health hazards floating around today.

Don't be surprised when the life-span starts declining rapidly in future generations...

You seem to be forgetting the people who are living so long these days are the ones that grew up well before we ever had all these issues...

Most of them have never needed to rely on prescription medication, never ate contaminated food, never drank contaminated water, never breathed contaminated oxygen, not too mention all the other dangerous health hazards floating around today.

Uh-huh. You figure they what, just opted out of the last 40 or 50 years? They had their own bottled non-"contaminated oxygen" (sic)? A big bag of non-"contaminated" (whatever the hell that means) food?

Don't be surprised when the life-span starts declining rapidly in future generations...

Don't hold your breath.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Do I need to spell it out for you?

Pesticides and fertilizers in veggies...
Chemicals and growth hormones in livestock...
Chlorine and chloramine in the water...
Carbon monoxide in the air...
etc, etc, etc...

Like I said...

THEY DIDN'T HAVE THESE ISSUES 20 YEARS AGO...

THEY DIDN'T 'NEED' FOOD, WATER, OR AIR IN A BOTTLE...

I KNOW... I WAS THERE...

WAKE UP! ;)

They also didnt sit on their butts like todays society, sure more people get out and jog or run than used to, but most people dont.
I have a job driving around all day, 10 years ago I noticed that there werent as many kids out playing doing kid stuff like there was when I was young. Today It is hard to find any kids outside after school anymore. Yes people are more aware of weirdos after kids these days but they were around back then too. So what are they doing? Sitting on their butts playing video games, or watching tv like most people do these days. Plus they dont eat correctly.

Look at all the Heart attack meals you grew up on years ago. Your parents didnt have the free time that is available today they had to work hard which meant meals that supported it.

You want to know where the health problems come from, check their diet and excersize routines against their eating habits, most people eat alot more than they burn off plus the wrong diet for their level of activity. Most teens I have seen today are FAT, not obese but FAT just like their parents my age 35 - 45.

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Abe: "Ooh! Put some Lister's Carbolic Unguent on a wad of cotton, and stick it in her ear! That'll stop them shakes."

Jackie: "No, no. What she needs is a balsam specific."

Abe: "Balsam specific?! Oof! While we're burning money, why don't we give her a curative galvanic belt too."

Bart: "Don't forget to give her Smeckler's Powder."

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Do I need to spell it out for you?

Pesticides and fertilizers in veggies...
Chemicals and growth hormones in livestock...
Chlorine and chloramine in the water...
Carbon monoxide in the air...
etc, etc, etc...

Like I said...

THEY DIDN'T HAVE THESE ISSUES 20 YEARS AGO...

THEY DIDN'T 'NEED' FOOD, WATER, OR AIR IN A BOTTLE...

I KNOW... I WAS THERE...

WAKE UP! ;)

Was it the Lead and Mercury in the water back then?
There were more pesticides 20 years ago (many now banned, or at least tightly regulated), same with fertilizers. The CO levels are down http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/images/enlarge/co-fig1lg.gif. Growth hormones, IIRC the early anabolic steriods were based off ones in common use for cattle (and steriods trace back far before the 80's).

Awareness, is not the same as exposure. Sure I'll agree that we are more aware of many of these "risks", but that is not to say we are more at risk from them. Much of the information comes from people possitioned to take advantage of this fear mongering. For example, pesticides and fertilizers: there have always been local "mom and pop" growers, maybe a few of them even expressed these reservations, but then a few smart companies start marketing "organic" foods. Their first attempts largely failed, this time they got smarter, attack the intrinsic fear of science, in the form of "unnatural" chemicals used to make your food look better. Now they can sell their product at a premium, and people will buy their ugly food, the same stuff they couldn't sell before.

The FDA is a joke, it's not there for your protection. It is there to protect big business, and telling us about the benefits of various healthy foods (especially those that are readily growable) isn't in their intrest. While not under FDA control, it is big tobbaco that keeps marijuana from being legal, marijuana is just too easy to grow.

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Still looking for something profound or inspirational to place here.

'Awareness, is not the same as exposure.'


Nowadays a mosquito bite can kill you... Maybe we just weren't aware of it back then...

Why didn't we have bug repellant back then... Because we didn't need it...

Screw with nature and nature will screw with you!

Looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree... ;)

Seriously weak arguement.
First off, back when? Unless we limit this discussion to the timeframe of the 1950's on, mosquito bites have always been potentially deadly. Flavor of the day may be EEE and west nile, but yellow fever (among several others) was a historic killer too. Yes, deaths are on the rise again, but that has more to do with the poor practices adopted for prevention since the 70's. Between the 50's and 70's the policy was to actively disrupt(killing) mosquitoes, this was effective in 2 ways: it reduced the chances of getting bitten in the first place, the second way it helped is that the thinner populations reduced the potential for any one insect being a carrier (a longer technical explaination on why will be skipped). For some historic perspective read up on the Panama Canal, especially the construction.

I'm not really out to change your mind about this stuff, but I also won't let the mindset go unchallenged. I'm hating on the game, not the player.

editted for readablity

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Still looking for something profound or inspirational to place here.

I'm guessing HIV/AIDS has been around forever too...

We just didn't know it back then... ;)

Not sure what "time" you're from, but AIDS has been recognized since 1981. HIV since 1983.

What's next on your list?
Bird flu?

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I took this clip from another forum as it seemed appropriate for this discussion...


"Part of the cyclical change is each generation wants to be different than their 'parents'. Look how the the baby-boomers rebelled & became hippies, commies...etc..The baby-boomers now have children who saw how screwed up they made society & want to change it."


Nuff said... ;)

I took this clip from another forum as it seemed appropriate for this discussion...

"Part of the cyclical change is each generation wants to be different than their 'parents'. Look how the the baby-boomers rebelled & became hippies, commies...etc..The baby-boomers now have children who saw how screwed up they made society & want to change it."

Nuff said... ;)

This is the first thing you've said on this thread that I can agree with. I guess my "rebellion" is quite different than yours. In some ways I am willing to change the world, and attacking what I term shallow thought is part of it. Reading the newspaper doesn't mean much to me, they usually provide a conclusion, with none of the "work" to back it up. On the occasion they do "show their work", it too is guilty of shallow thought. A load of pertinent information is left out (I cannot fully explain what that information is in a broad sense, it varies case by case).

The your earlier question about HIV/AIDS, there isn't an answer. We have no way to know exactly where and when it started. It could be a form of SIV (monkey AIDS), that went trans-species. The question of wether it is the first time AIDS has "broken out" is also suspect. The Black Death, is Bubonic Plague, and it wasn't the first time Europe experienced an outbreak. AIDS doesn't kill directly, it kills with a host of diseases that we are familiar with (or would have been in earlier times). Pneumonia, as an example, was known to be deadly. As such someone dying from it wouldn't be odd enough to trigger an investigation. Until you look for it, you won't find that it was your cause.

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Still looking for something profound or inspirational to place here.

You know damn well when and why HIV/AIDS came about, and it wasn't from a monkey.
You know damn well past virus outbreaks were curable, unlike the strands of today.
You know damn well viruses we used to easily cure are not so easy to cure anymore.

Bottom line:
The FDA Isn't responsible for todays health problems, we are...

Shame on all you old timers who lie to your offspring and cheat them out of the fruitful life you yourselves enjoyed for so long...

2 timothy 3:13
evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

Quit wasting your time. You bitch about being lied to, you are just as bad. You have shown NO understanding of any of the issues you've brought up. I know I'm no expert on any one of these issues, they would talk circles around me on any of them. Try getting familiar with GOOGLE, amazingly there is something besides porn on the internet (no really I mean it). Learn some underlying science, be it in the form of statistics (highly recomended), biology, or any discipline that applies, these are the needed tools to talk about anything intelligently.

Oh yeah, I'm young enough to barely remember the 80's at all.

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Still looking for something profound or inspirational to place here.

You know damn well when and why HIV/AIDS came about, and it wasn't from a monkey.

God made man
But he used the monkey to do it
Apes in the plan
We’re all here to prove it
I can walk like an ape
Talk like an ape
I can do what a monkey can do
God made man
But a monkey supplied the glue

Q: Are We Not Men?

A: We Are D E V O!

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Want to LEARN about google? Go here: http://www.google-watch.org

Want to LEARN the truth about the past? Ask someone who was there...

'Only a fool would rely on the internet for accurate info!'

It's so sad to see a generation of corrupt (old) people mislead so many ignorant (young) people while us in the middle are constantly attacked by both sides...

Hmm... 'The blind leading the blind'...

If man came from monkey, who made the monkey?

Maybe you can find the answer to that on google... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .