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Message 231140 - Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 18:55:14 UTC
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Message 231145 - Posted: 14 Jan 2006, 19:13:22 UTC
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My deepest sympathy to the families of those who died on pilgramage to Mecca.

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Message 232171 - Posted: 16 Jan 2006, 16:26:40 UTC

Quoted from [5]...

Pat Robertson has every right to splat his BS
Same as GWB- & same as me & you.
Problem is Pat has lots of people who actually send him money
To support him-
They LIKE THE GUY
Lots of folks just love what PR has to say.
Same as lots of people feel GWB-
Is on top of what he's set in motion.
They LIKE THE GUY
As long as he has people supporting his ministry-
Regardless of his idiotic utterances.
He remains in great shape.
They LIKE THE GUY-
I dont get it.
I think both of them are jackasses-
But then what the hell do I know?...cc

I can't imagine that this guy built an audience by starting out this bellicose, so I was wondering if maybe he's starting to lose his inhibitions like I've noticed with many (but certainly not all) people as they get older.

Then again, you have firebrands like Farrakhan. Maybe you can be an ass and build an audience at the same time?
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Message 233340 - Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 2:25:33 UTC
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A number of years ago I was visiting relatives with my folks, I was probably in my early teens or so, mayber younger. These people had money, he owned a small factory and was doing well from what I could see. They certainly had a nice house and it was very well equipped/decorated. The bathroom for the master bedroom was bigger than my bedroom and had things in it I wasn't sure about at the time. :-)

While we were there the wife was watching some religious show on TV, I don't recall which one but it was very much like the 700 Club. I think what I saw that day considerably influenced my outlook on religion. She was transfixed by the preacher, staring in rapt attention and listening to every word. During the sermon(?) the speaker started asking for donations. This lady had her checkbook handy on the table near the chair, apparently for this purpose. She immediately grabbed the checkbook and started to make a donation.

In the conversations that followed it became apparent that her husband was not fond of her activities and that she was donating way to much money to these organizations. As I said, his business was doing well so he could afford it, but he seemed to have to work extra hard because of it.

Her deep fixation and the absolute trust she placed in the words emanating from the TV was, well, interesting and scary. Religion, like many things, can be taken to far. It can become an obsession and it can blind one to the greater picture. I'm not sure where she was when that show was on, but she was in a different world than the rest of us that night.

A few months later they came to visit us at our much more humble abode. She was away from the TV for a while and didn't have that possesed look in her eyes. It was actually a bit hard to reconcile the her that day with the her I saw months earlier, but I could still see aspects of that earlier impression.

I often wonder how many of the supporters of Pat Robertson and others like him are similar to that woman. I also wonder what Pat thinks when he sees a person like that. Does he feel like he's taking advantage of that person? If so, does he feel justified in doing so?

Her husband did keep hold of the absolute reins, I guess that checkbook had limited funds :-) But what of those who do go to far and basically live in poverty as a result? Those people do exist, and I've seen them as well. What does Pat think about that? I wonder.
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Message 233355 - Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 2:44:30 UTC

Yeah
Pat really cares.
He's a real Christian.
Tele-evangelists one and all should be sent any money
You might have laying around.
You can be sure they use every penny in wholesome Christian endeavors.
Right?
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Message 233385 - Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 4:14:16 UTC - in response to Message 233355.

Didn't Jesus say to get rid of all your money because it was evil?

Send it all my way, and you'll go straight to Heaven.

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Message 233393 - Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 5:05:25 UTC - in response to Message 233385.

Didn't Jesus say to get rid of all your money because it was evil?

Send it all my way, and you'll go straight to Heaven.

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Not exactly. Don't confuse the message with the current messengers.

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Message 233394 - Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 5:07:13 UTC - in response to Message 233393.

Didn't Jesus say to get rid of all your money because it was evil?

Send it all my way, and you'll go straight to Heaven.

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Not exactly. Don't confuse the message with the current messengers.


They've been doing that for the past 16 centuries or better.
Why stop now.

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Message 233401 - Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 6:08:27 UTC - in response to Message 233393.

Don't confuse the message with the current messengers.
No messenger = No message.

Yank the plug from Pat's pulpit and religious tolerance will increase 100x overnight.

Ditto for Zarqawi.
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Message 234009 - Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 1:47:15 UTC

'Intelligent design' called dogma, not science by Vatican newspaper

By Nicole Winfield
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January 19, 2006

VATICAN CITY – The Vatican newspaper has published an article saying "intelligent design" is not science and that teaching it alongside evolutionary theory in school classrooms only creates confusion.

The article in Tuesday's editions of L'Osservatore Romano was the latest in a series of interventions by Vatican officials – including the pope – on the issue that has dominated headlines in the United States.

The author, Fiorenzo Facchini, a professor of evolutionary biology at the University of Bologna, laid out the scientific rationale for Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, saying that in the scientific world, biological evolution "represents the interpretative key of the history of life on Earth."

He lamented that certain American "creationists" had brought the debate back to the "dogmatic" 1800s and said their arguments weren't science but ideology.

"This isn't how science is done," he wrote. "If the model proposed by Darwin is deemed insufficient, one should look for another, but it's not correct from a methodological point of view to take oneself away from the scientific field pretending to do science."

Intelligent design "doesn't belong to science and the pretext that it be taught as a scientific theory alongside Darwin's explanation is unjustified," he wrote.

"It only creates confusion between the scientific and philosophical and religious planes."

Supporters of "intelligent design" hold that some features of the universe and living things are so complex they must have been designed by a higher intelligence.

Critics say intelligent design is merely creationism – a literal reading of the Bible's story of creation – camouflaged in scientific language and say it does not belong in science curriculum.

Facchini said he recognized some Darwin proponents erroneously assume that evolution explains everything. "Better to recognize that the problem from the scientific point of view remains open," he said.

Facchini wrote that scientists could not rule out a divine "superior design" to creation and the history of mankind. But he said Catholic thought did not preclude a design fashioned through an evolutionary process.

"God's project of creation can be carried out through secondary causes in the natural course of events, without having to think of miraculous interventions that point in this or that direction," he wrote.

"In a vision that goes beyond the empirical horizon, we can say that we aren't men by chance or by necessity, and that the human experience has a sense and a direction signaled by a superior design."

Pope Benedict XVI reaffirmed in off-the-cuff comments in November that the universe was made by an "intelligent project" and criticized those who in the name of science say its creation was without direction or order.

In a speech in October, Christoph Schoenborn, an Austrian cardinal close to Pope Benedict, said he saw "no difficulty in joining belief in the Creator with the theory of evolution, but under the prerequisite that the borders of scientific theory are maintained."

The Rev. George Coyne, a Jesuit who is director of the Vatican Observatory, said in November said that "intelligent design isn't science, even though it pretends to be" and it "should be taught when religion or cultural history is taught, not science."

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Message 234023 - Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 2:09:22 UTC
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'The Vatican newspaper has published an article saying "intelligent design" is not science'


Intelligent design isn't science... It's theology... ;)

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theology:

1. the rational and systematic study of religion and its
influences and of the nature of religious truth.

2. a particular system or school of religious beliefs and
teachings; "Jewish theology"; "Roman Catholic theology"

3. the learned profession acquired by specialized courses in
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Message 234387 - Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 19:46:05 UTC - in response to Message 234009.

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Message 236665 - Posted: 24 Jan 2006, 2:47:27 UTC


Robert A. Schuller knelt with his wife, Donna, as he was installed as senior pastor of the Crystal Cathedral yesterday in Garden Grove. Schuller succeeded his father, Robert H. Schuller, 79.

The next generation of TV pan handlers.
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Robert A. Schuller knelt with his wife, Donna, as he was installed as senior pastor of the Crystal Cathedral yesterday in Garden Grove. Schuller succeeded his father, Robert H. Schuller, 79.

The next generation of TV pan handlers.


It must be nice inheriting a fortune and a five car garage.
I think someone once said something about an "eye of a needle" and
a camel. That must mean that daddy has/or is gone/going to hell, right?
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Message 236809 - Posted: 24 Jan 2006, 6:52:59 UTC
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What if Jesus spoke at a Republican fundraiser?

The Parable of Jesus and the Rubber Chicken: What if Christ spoke at a Republican Party fund-raiser?

--by Tom Peyer

(Transcript of Jesus Christ's remarks at a Republican Fund-Raiser, Crawford, Texas)

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm going to have a hard time living up to an introduction like that. (LAUGHTER)

First, let Me express My gratitude for your support over the last few years. It's nice to be thought of as a winner for a change. If I had known we'd get the House, the Senate, and two consecutive terms in the White House (APPLAUSE) if I'd known all that, I would have had an easier time that Friday on the Cross, let me tell you. (LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE)

But seriously, folks (LAUGHTER) no, seriously, that day did pass, and then two more. Then I rose from the dead. (CHEERS, APPLAUSE) Thank you. I rose from the dead and I flew up to Heaven. But first, you'll remember, I made a little side trip to Hell (SCATTERED BOOS) just to get a look at how they do things. And I'm here to tell you, Hell is just like Heaven (AUDIBLE GASPS) but with taxes. (LAUGHTER, CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

I'd especially like to thank President Bush, who gave me a free Pioneer membership. (AUDIBLE GASPS, MUTTERING) Was I not supposed to say that? Sorry. My point is, the president's a good man. The only real difference between Me and him is his daddy found a way to forgive Bill Clinton. (WILD APPLAUSE)

This president married well, too. He married a woman. (CHEERS, APPLAUSE) That's the right way. That's the way my Dad intended. Respect the sanctity of marriage. Now a few loud people keep saying the government should forget about sanctity, forget about religion. They want separation of church and state. See these hands? See the holes in them? That's separation of church and state. (APPLAUSE) I know George W. Bush, and I know he won't ever let that happen to me again. (CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

Ken Mehlman asked me to come down here today to meet with you good people and clear up a few things you've been wondering about. I told him I'd be glad to eat a little crow for a good cause. You'll forgive me if I read a brief prepared statement, but Ken and my Dad want me to get this just right. (LAUGHTER) Here goes.

"In My youth, I made certain ill-advised statements that I now regret. If I offended anyone, I apologize. I want to clarify that it is easy for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven. (CHEERS, WILD APPLAUSE)

"I'd like to apologize specifically to the money-changers. It is My sincere hope that you will come back into the Temple free of charge as My guests." (WILD APPLAUSE, CHANT OF "U.S.A! U.S.A!")
Finally and this is Me speaking for Myself now I want to say to the meek: Once we finally get rid of the death tax, you're not inheriting anything. Not while you're meek, so buck up. (CHEERS) And that goes double for you peacemakers. (LAUGHTER) Good night and Dad bless America. (CHEERS, WILD APPLAUSE)

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Message 239468 - Posted: 29 Jan 2006, 20:29:17 UTC - in response to Message 239323.

Im confussed. Does the amount of money one has qualify or disqulify him from speaking what he believes to be the truth?
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Message 239474 - Posted: 29 Jan 2006, 20:34:41 UTC - in response to Message 239468.

Im confussed. Does the amount of money one has qualify or disqulify him from speaking what he believes to be the truth?
Why should money have anything to do with speaking truth or lie?

If money corrupts you, so you tell a lie to gain or keep money, then it's all to blame on your moral, not the money itself.

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Message 239540 - Posted: 29 Jan 2006, 22:25:21 UTC
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I Timothy 6:10

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


It's not the money that's evil... It's the love of money that's evil... ;)

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