Fletch

Actually, you have a good idea in Users helping Users... I will see what might can happen... It would be for users to pay for shipping to get items out of your hair... If you asked more then it gets real tricky in a hurry... For the most part old parts would be good ebay items or donate to charity...

I think I sent a email in about this issue some time ago but I will also post my thoughts here.

How about taking any hardware donations and turing around and selling it off for profit. A lot of us have offices full of older equipment that we can not afford keeping running for crunching.

Another thought I have seen several posters say that they have only old hardware but like working for the project. It might be a little much but if you had some long time users that has sad old PC's you could either send them upgraded equipment or have some method so I could send my PC to them. Maybe like a doner list that only long time SETI crunchers can have access to and we can swap parts with.

Am I being too ambitious???

I suspect that any hardware donations Berkeley receives has to go through some process to be sold, and it probably isn't simple.

... but what kind of organization could take the donations and sell them and pass on the $$$ raised? Is there some group now that'd do that, or what would have to be done form one?

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The reason I have stuff sitting around in my office is because I dont ebay anymore. I really do not like what it has become.

So I just give it away as best I can.. The rest goes in to the trash.

I also dont have time to fool with much. So shipping it to SETI or to a loyal cruncher is about what you would get out of someone like me.

Just trying to do what I can.

Troy

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SETI@home classic workunits 19,055
SETI@home classic CPU time 172,293 hours

The reason I have stuff sitting around in my office is because I dont ebay anymore. I really do not like what it has become.

So I just give it away as best I can.. The rest goes in to the trash.

I also dont have time to fool with much. So shipping it to SETI or to a loyal cruncher is about what you would get out of someone like me.

Just trying to do what I can.

Troy

My suggestion wasn't for you to eBay the stuff, but to ship it to someone who would eBay it on behalf of SETI.

I wonder what we'd need to do to accomplish that?

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The reason I have stuff sitting around in my office is because I dont ebay anymore. I really do not like what it has become.

So I just give it away as best I can.. The rest goes in to the trash.

I also dont have time to fool with much. So shipping it to SETI or to a loyal cruncher is about what you would get out of someone like me.

Just trying to do what I can.

Troy

My suggestion wasn't for you to eBay the stuff, but to ship it to someone who would eBay it on behalf of SETI.

I wonder what we'd need to do to accomplish that?

So, I started looking around, and I found this.

My question now is, what do we need to do to register SETI@Home with the I Sold It stores? Then junque could be taken to the nearest stores, and they'd do the rest.

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With the problems that SETIs' having with donations I was wondering if it's time to start allowing cash contributions of $5, $10, $20 bills, etc, (if not already). I see that it's possible to be able to contribute by credit card, but can't see anything about making cash contributions.

Or, how about sending out invitations to companies to get them to become corporate sponsors by donating. I'm sure at least some would be interested. I did send an unofficial invitation by email to a senior executive of a well-known company about six months ago. She sounded nice and told me that it sounded interesting and "wished me luck with my project", but that's all I got. :(

Another thing that can be done is to provide a flyer from the SETI@home website that people can download and print to pass out to people in their areas. It can have a brief explanation about the project.

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A/C

Actually you can send Cash the Link to the form that can be printed on your computer is Donation Form

Yes I know it hard to postive during these times...

Pappa

With the problems that SETIs' having with donations I was wondering if it's time to start allowing cash contributions of $5, $10, $20 bills, etc, (if not already). I see that it's possible to be able to contribute by credit card, but can't see anything about making cash contributions.

Or, how about sending out invitations to companies to get them to become corporate sponsors by donating. I'm sure at least some would be interested. I did send an unofficial invitation by email to a senior executive of a well-known company about six months ago. She sounded nice and told me that it sounded interesting and "wished me luck with my project", but that's all I got. :(

Another thing that can be done is to provide a flyer from the SETI@home website that people can download and print to pass out to people in their areas. It can have a brief explanation about the project.

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Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

Thanks Pappa.

It says check on the form but I guess sending a few bills would be okay too.

Keep positive as much as you can. :)

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Sending cash through the mail is generally discouraged, because of the high risk of theft/damage/loss. I'm tempted to say that you'll never see a solicitation suggesting that cash be mailed. You've got no recourse if it goes missing somewhere along the path.

If it arrives intact, I'm sure they'd figure out a way to accept it. 8-)

MJ (former disgruntled postal worker)

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A/C and others if it a check drawn on on an international bank then be becomes UCB's par to sort it out... I do not recommend cash....

Thanks Pappa.

It says check on the form but I guess sending a few bills would be okay too.

Keep positive as much as you can. :)

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Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

MJ

Long time, I hope you are doing well and yes sending ca$h is not the best thing... Although I have been tempted to pay freight on a box of penney's to pay a bill... LOL

Sending cash through the mail is generally discouraged, because of the high risk of theft/damage/loss. I'm tempted to say that you'll never see a solicitation suggesting that cash be mailed. You've got no recourse if it goes missing somewhere along the path.

If it arrives intact, I'm sure they'd figure out a way to accept it. 8-)

MJ (former disgruntled postal worker)

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Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

Sending cash through the mail is generally discouraged, because of the high risk of theft/damage/loss. I'm tempted to say that you'll never see a solicitation suggesting that cash be mailed. You've got no recourse if it goes missing somewhere along the path.

If it arrives intact, I'm sure they'd figure out a way to accept it. 8-)

MJ (former disgruntled postal worker)

You're right, it's somewhat more risky, but I've always had luck when sending cash thru the mail to other organizations.

Thanks MJ

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I really bet that Seti has seen a surge in donations over the last couple weeks!

That's the side of the strike that no one really wants to mention.

So far, it seems that UCB is at less than 50% of their goal for the year, and based on what's been going on, I really can't see a big increase in donations.

While the "stop work" strike might be visible, (for a week or two), the lack of people sending money might make a bigger and longer term statement.


Something to really consider.

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....So far, it seems that UCB is at less than 50% of their goal for the year, and based on what's been going on, I really can't see a big increase in donations.

While the "stop work" strike might be visible, (for a week or two), the lack of people sending money might make a bigger and longer term statement.


Something to really consider.

And that's just what you said you wanted to happen. 'Nuff said.

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....So far, it seems that UCB is at less than 50% of their goal for the year, and based on what's been going on, I really can't see a big increase in donations.

While the "stop work" strike might be visible, (for a week or two), the lack of people sending money might make a bigger and longer term statement.


Something to really consider.

And that's just what you said you wanted to happen. 'Nuff said.

But you don't seem to dispute it. 'nuff said...

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I'm darn glad the mod's deleted my post about donations.

Here it is:

The moderator gave this explanation to why your post was moderated:
AZ Please stop these Posts in the donations threads. I am going to delete them. your hurting a lot of good people.

This was the contents of your post:

....So far, it seems that UCB is at less than 50% of their goal for the year, and based on what\\'s been going on, I really can\\'t see a big increase in donations.

While the \\"stop work\\" strike might be visible, (for a week or two), the lack of people sending money might make a bigger and longer term statement.


Something to really consider.

Why was this deleted? Please reference an number 1-8, or is this a way to censor the forums?

This IS a donations thread, and I'm talking about donations, and not attacked anybody, but only providing a view that might not be appreciated by a few.

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I'm darn glad the mod's deleted my post about donations.

Here it is:
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Woody,

As usual, you are assuming facts that are not in evidence.

Free Speech gives you a right to state your opinions. In no way does this guarantee a forum, or an audience.

Restricting your right to post here does not infringe on your free speech rights in any way.

We all know you hate SETI. That isn't news.

-- Ned

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I'm darn glad the mod's deleted my post about donations.

Here it is:
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Woody,

As usual, you are assuming facts that are not in evidence.

Free Speech gives you a right to state your opinions. In no way does this guarantee a forum, or an audience.

Restricting your right to post here does not infringe on your free speech rights in any way.

We all know you hate SETI. That isn't news.

-- Ned

Ned, you seem to want to reply to everything I say, but that's your choice. It's like I have a "groupie"! Seems you are trolling for me

The reality is, that with the current state of things, I'd really expect donations to drop, as users and teams started burning spare CPU time with other projects.

That will speak to UCB, and that was my point. I'm not telling people that they shouldn't donate, but only pointing out that the lose in donations might be noticed.

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The reality is, that with the current state of things, I'd really expect donations to drop, as users and teams started burning spare CPU time with other projects.

If you look at the donations chart, you see a spike when the green stars were added, and another spike during the fundraising drive in March/April.

Donations for June are about the same as November, and it's only the 17th.

It seems intuitively obvious that donations are at about the normal "background" level -- normal for a time when they aren't actively seeking donations.

The first fund-raiser didn't send E-Mail to people who said they did not want Newsletters. I think that was a mistake -- asking a participant for a donation is not the same as a newsletter. I know this is true because my old, mostly lost classic account got the donation letter, and my current account didn't.

Since the first fund-raiser raised $250k, I would expect that they'll do it again. It'd be interesting if they sent the next one to everyone who said "no newsletter" just to measure.

You seem to assume just one fundraiser per year and I don't see a reason for that.

It will be interesting to see what happens next -- I think failure is possible, but I don't think it's a given.

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Woody

That will teach me to go take a weekend off... As it was mentioned many times one of things that caused less contributions was lack of a "UCB PayPal Account"... That was the only way to get through the International Money Exchange without severe losses to the User and UCB... That is being worked on... I am sure that once that happens and a small push occurs that donations will start moving ahead again.

I do have to ask, Are you one of the people wanting Seti to Fail? It would appear that you have a "reason for it to fail"... Most "non obsessive" people would have never said anything and have been one of the 5.4 million "Classic Users" that did not make the trip to Seti BOINC... Why would You want to Intimidate those Users...

Because of your statements I also know that you have not monitored what BOINC is trying to do to make "easier" for a user to just connect a computer and let it donate time. This not only affects Seti but All Projects...

I'm darn glad the mod's deleted my post about donations.

Here it is:
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Woody,

As usual, you are assuming facts that are not in evidence.

Free Speech gives you a right to state your opinions. In no way does this guarantee a forum, or an audience.

Restricting your right to post here does not infringe on your free speech rights in any way.

We all know you hate SETI. That isn't news.

-- Ned

Ned, you seem to want to reply to everything I say, but that's your choice. It's like I have a "groupie"! Seems you are trolling for me

The reality is, that with the current state of things, I'd really expect donations to drop, as users and teams started burning spare CPU time with other projects.

That will speak to UCB, and that was my point. I'm not telling people that they shouldn't donate, but only pointing out that the lose in donations might be noticed.

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Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

Woody

That will teach me to go take a weekend off...

It seems your response is 10 days after the post. Must have been a long weekend!

The lack of donations "could" be due to the lack of paypal, but also "could" be due to people that see what's happening to this project..

Do I want to see Seti Fail? NOOOOOOOOOOO!

Will it fail with the way it's being run? I have to say "yes". And that's the point I made in the donations thread! A cutback in donations would speak louder than any strike in downloading work.

The folks that are the ones to donate, are also the ones that will read these forums. Many crunchers just set up machines and walk away, and don't even know what going on for months, but those that donate money, are also the ones that have an opinion.

Pappa, the only thing you show me, is that the Mods are blind-sighted when it comes to the project, and that they tend to hide things that say anything about problems.

Heck, CA does it all the time!

Why do other projects have the "person in charge" active in the forums, yet Dr Dave has yet to make a post here (that really ID's who he is)?

This project is dying, and it's not due to the size of the user base, paypal, or the phase of the moon! It's due to the way the project is managed.

I know you'll hide this post, as even though it's about donations, it's not something you agree with.

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