Hi,

@Idefix: I completely disagree with you for the reasons mentioned above.

Please have a look at the timestamp of my posting. At that time things were *completely* different.

YYYYYYY <----- Champagne for everybody ;-)

Regards,
Carsten

I'm quite sure the team at Berkely have lost a lot of sleep over this current situation, and a bloody massive headache aswell, (Give them credit) they are juggling things about trying to get things balanced...Good on ya Berkeley I don't envy your task, and you don't deserve the crap being hurled your way...

Having said that I'm out of WU's (So What) they will come again, as mentioned below Berkeley did not order us to join this project, we are in it to donate our time (As We Wanted To) for the fun, interest and science....Is This Right ??

As for the knockers of this project, "BUGGER OFF" LEAVE !!! Simple... Donate your time for free picking up rubbish out of gutters or something....

This is not aimed at everyone, just the few who in the last few days have bugged the Message Board...

Everyone else "Happy Crunching" and Merry Xmas

Best Regards
Stargate

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Ok, and what happens to the results i have to leave on the computer @ work, when i go into holidays on next thursday and will not return before the next year?

Thanks Berkeley, for once again wasting my time and money... :/

Are you the kind of person who volunteers your spare time to the Red Cross and then get pissed because you're not getting paid?

If you give money to the Red Cross and it loses it in a poker game, it is the same as Berkely throwing away the time you have spent working on Seti.

Please explain how Berkely is gambling with our data or our computer time? Please explain how they threw away the time we worked on Seti? They already said they'll extend deadlnes for work that's overdue...are you blind or just a troll?

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You will be assimilated...bunghole!

Ok, and what happens to the results i have to leave on the computer @ work, when i go into holidays on next thursday and will not return before the next year?

Thanks Berkeley, for once again wasting my time and money... :/

Are you the kind of person who volunteers your spare time to the Red Cross and then get pissed because you're not getting paid?

If you give money to the Red Cross and it loses it in a poker game, it is the same as Berkely throwing away the time you have spent working on Seti.

Please explain how Berkely is gambling with our data or our computer time? Please explain how they threw away the time we worked on Seti? They already said they'll extend deadlnes for work that's overdue...are you blind or just a troll?

From reading your prior posts, it seems to me you are the one who likes only to stir up trouble. Maybe you are the troll.

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Ok, and what happens to the results i have to leave on the computer @ work, when i go into holidays on next thursday and will not return before the next year?

Thanks Berkeley, for once again wasting my time and money... :/

What's your problem? Add another project or two and it will happily crunch on those for a while. I had 4 units on my main machine and all got processed in the last 4 hours. 600,000 units have been uploaded since this morning assuming the numbers where right on the server page.

I think the Red Cross comment was appropriate. Either you want to donate you extra computer time or you don't. I hope you will join a couple of other projects and leave BOINC running while you are on vacation.

Happy New Year.

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Having said that I'm out of WU's (So What) they will come again, as mentioned below Berkeley did not order us to join this project, we are in it to donate our time (As We Wanted To) for the fun, interest and science....Is This Right ??

That's the way it should be!

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unforseen? hahaha!

Spare that cheerleading crap for noobs, i already know it by heart...

bye, happy Xmas'n stuff

If this bother you so much, how about donating some money so they can lease
a dedicated T3 line and buy a couple of Sun T1000 computers. That should solve the problem they are having with through put.

Less that, the project will have to go through some growing pains while hardware and through put resources are shuffled around. I am sure by the time you get back in January, every thing will be running smooth again.

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Ok, and what happens to the results i have to leave on the computer @ work, when i go into holidays on next thursday and will not return before the next year?

Thanks Berkeley, for once again wasting my time and money... :/

Are you the kind of person who volunteers your spare time to the Red Cross and then get pissed because you're not getting paid?

If you give money to the Red Cross and it loses it in a poker game, it is the same as Berkely throwing away the time you have spent working on Seti.

Please explain how Berkely is gambling with our data or our computer time? Please explain how they threw away the time we worked on Seti? They already said they'll extend deadlnes for work that's overdue...are you blind or just a troll?

From reading your prior posts, it seems to me you are the one who likes only to stir up trouble. Maybe you are the troll.

You mean to tell me that all these whiners and people LITERALLY calling the folks at Berkely liars, cheats, and thieves, have a point? You mean to tell me that those kinds of insults deserve respectful responses? If you're so fond of reading my posts, why don't you go back and read the posts on subjects that DON'T have anything to do with flaming Berkeley. I think you'll find that I'm only rude to the people who deserve it. People who fling insults that are unfounded and undeserved are the textbook definition of trolls. Insulting people who deserve it not trollish...it's justice. For reference, see:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=troll

Here's the pertinent quote:

"An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other
(electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect,
but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the
act of sending such a message."

Ulrich is a troll for his intentionally incorrect comments. Putting a troll in his place does not make oneself a troll as well.

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You will be assimilated...bunghole!

@Ingelside: Great point. Just the kind of thing that would screw up my thinking. Thanks!!

@ML1: Thx for the good clarification--outages make everybody on the fora a little edgy. That's why I try to limit my posts. 8) 's all good.

@The rest of you: Hush. Go find your own thread. Stop hijacking mine.

If the 35 results per second upload rate that Matt L. referenced the other day as being the capacity of the server, then based on the total results in process, it would at that point have taken about 40 hours to upload and save all results. I would expect that number to still be valid unless something else has changed about the servers uploading.

When you look at the Cricket graphs, you see a BIG change in the volume of traffic being uploaded.

This has gone from the normal 3 to 4 Mbps average rate of Seti Classic and BOINC/Seti combined to an impressive 14 to 15 Mbps average rate! By that measurement the BOINC/Seti upload server must be uploading at five to seven times as many results per second has it has before. Always thought that that that 35 results per second should be closer to 100 results per second. If this higher rate is true, then the backlog of uploads could be cleared before the Seti Staff get in to work tomorrow morning, if not a lot sooner. I hope someone hangs around late, that can turn on the validaters, if that happens.

It appears that this current rate of network activity by BOINC/Seti is causing dropped connections on the old Classic server uploads for some reason. About the time BOINC/Seti took off, Seti Classic started having problems uploading.

@Uli: While I can sympathize, just remember: we're competing for imaginary numbers. If you think Berkeley's bad, I'd hate to hear you rant about governement... 8)

I don't think Berkeley is bad, just lacks of a straight plan. Regarding the government, yes, you're right, i better be quiet ;)

Ulrich is a troll for his intentionally incorrect comments.

How do you think to know my comment was intentionally incorrect? Who used strong words first? I agree, Borgholio seems to be the troll here :P
And i don't mind beeing titled a troll by such a pathetic master troll :lol:
Borgholio, now enjoy the pleasure of uploading stale results and wait for the next opportunity for bashing innocent people :P

To all the helping comments about participating in other projects: Just take a real look at my signature...

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Aloha, Uli

there seems to be an expert in every corner!

My backlog dissapeared overnight, and new WU's to boot. Nice work @ SETI

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Richard King

Notts PC Services

There's always an expalanation, and it's never what it seems. I know that feeling all too well--I just usually don't have a couple thousand people tapping their feet waiting for me to get it all sorted out. Great work Matt & Co!

(j)
James

@Ingelside: Great point. Just the kind of thing that would screw up my thinking. Thanks!!

To add just a small bit to Inglesides answer.

Most of the numbers are also ESTIMATES, not hard counts. So, there is some additional "slop" in the values. It is a question of accuracy vs. system load. In these cases, accuracy will be sacraficed for least load for the "best" answer.

What is REALLY meaningful are actual flow rates, but it is not likely we shall see those, and I am not sure that the cost of generating them would give us a clearer picture at any rate ...

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Most of the numbers are also ESTIMATES, not hard counts. So, there is some additional "slop" in the values. It is a question of accuracy vs. system load. In these cases, accuracy will be sacraficed for least load for the "best" answer.

It's over 5 months since they stopped using estimated numbers on the server-status-page, so the count was accurate when last counted...

What is REALLY meaningful are actual flow rates, but it is not likely we shall see those, and I am not sure that the cost of generating them would give us a clearer picture at any rate ...

For this, checking the two external status-tracking-sites will give some idea of what is going on.
http://teamseti.com/status/status.phtml
http://bluenorthernsoftware.com/scarecrow/sahstats/

[It's over 5 months since they stopped using estimated numbers on the server-status-page, so the count was accurate when last counted...

Um, well I was just recalling Dr. Anderson's last description of how the numbers were derived. But, ok ...

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@Uli: While I can sympathize, just remember: we're competing for imaginary numbers. If you think Berkeley's bad, I'd hate to hear you rant about governement... 8)

I don't think Berkeley is bad, just lacks of a straight plan. Regarding the government, yes, you're right, i better be quiet ;)

Ulrich is a troll for his intentionally incorrect comments.

How do you think to know my comment was intentionally incorrect? Who used strong words first? I agree, Borgholio seems to be the troll here :P
And i don't mind beeing titled a troll by such a pathetic master troll :lol:
Borgholio, now enjoy the pleasure of uploading stale results and wait for the next opportunity for bashing innocent people :P

To all the helping comments about participating in other projects: Just take a real look at my signature...

Hmm...let's see...the SETI team is working as hard as they can to keep the project running, and you're sitting here calling them incompetent. They're stretching every dollar that's donated as far as they can, and you call it a waste of money. I would love to hear your explanation as to why this is so. Do you think that you could have done any better? If so, why didn't you offer to help?

I see that Seti@home is back up and running due to the tireless efforts of the people at Berkeley. I also see that you don't acknowledge the good job they've done, and instead you (yet again) criticize them for "Not having a straight plan". Didn't you bother to read Matt's HUGE post on the subject? It's the big stickie at the top of the page.

Am I a troll for defending the people who are being shat upon for no reason? Am I troll for pointing out how your statements are incorrect? Am I a troll for being fed up by the likes of you? I'm sure your answer to all that is "Yes." Well golly gee, I'm hurt. Is that the best you can do? I point out (correctly) that you're a troll and all you can muster is "I know you are but what am I?" They stopped doing that in grade school, buddy.

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You will be assimilated...bunghole!

I am still wondering:

i have to leave on the computer @ work ...

...once again wasting my time and money...

Now I do wonder, how do these two relate? Is your boss demanding money from you for using the computer at work? Or are you boss?

(edited for stressing)

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Hmm...let's see...

(edited out a lot of trollish blabla)

I point out (correctly) that you're a troll and all you can muster is "I know you are but what am I?" They stopped doing that in grade school, buddy.

You're such a troll :P I couldn't ever prove better than you... ROTFLMBAO

See the following post :P

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Aloha, Uli

Hmm...let's see...

(edited out a lot of trollish blabla)

I point out (correctly) that you're a troll and all you can muster is "I know you are but what am I?" They stopped doing that in grade school, buddy.

You're such a troll :P I couldn't ever prove better than you... ROTFLMBAO

See? :) You proved my point! Rather than explain your reasoning and back up your position, you snip the most important parts of my post and simply call me a troll. If you don't have a good reason for why you called Berkeley incompetent, then just say so. We won't laugh. Promise.

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You will be assimilated...bunghole!