Hi Beach Bum
I'm a new user (sort of) and I write to say I liked your posting on SETI and agree with you 100%. I have a question and was wondering if you know the answer?

I've been processing SETI data since the very beginning of the online SETI program. At the end of last year I became aware they were changing over to Boinc and dutifully transfered following all instructions. Prior to changing over I had processed some 5500 work units. Now I know that doesnt rank me in the top 1000, but it did the top 1% - not bad for a laptop :-) However I dont seem to have any of that credit transfered as credit in boinc. Since transfering I have some 900 credits. Do you know if that equates to 5500 work units? If not do you know if there has been some delay in transfering credit from the old system?

Any information would be useful
Thanks
Orion

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... Since transfering I have some 900 credits. Do you know if that equates to 5500 work units? If not do you know if there has been some delay in transfering credit from the old system?

On your account page your score of 5199 S@h Classic work units (and 12.5 years CPU time contributed—well done!) can be seen; they're incommensurate with BOINC cobblestones, so will always be shown as a separate total. Note that Classic stats are still carried by some sites: see my sig graphic below, for example.

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hmm,,
As I scroll down the list I notice some stars, but I notice a lot more without stars. Then I remember what I was taught many years ago by my grandfather. He told me that only the cream rises to the top, that this is true in all things in life. That most of the people will go along and expect things for free all their life. It is not their fault, but the fault of their teachers in life. But the cream, the cream will always rise to the top, it will always give more than the rest. You see, you can drink the milk, but the cream, well it is made into many things, it gives much more than just the milk.

So here is my 2 cents, for all you beer drinkers, take the money from a simple case of beer you would have bought this month, and send it to SETI.

For all you smokers out there, take what you would have spent on 2 packs of cigs. Send that to SETI instead, double benefit there, helps the needed, and your health.

And for all the Soda drinkers out there, take the money from 2 12 packs and send it to SETI, be less sugar in your diet, and less calories.


See we all can make excuses for why we so called cant give, but when it comes down to it, its all about the cream.

And yes, I know this post is off base for this thread, but if not posted here, then many would never see it. For we can always choose to never go into the donation thread, and those never feel guilty for not supporting what we like to do.

Well, in principle I agree with this post. For many people this is just right. But not for all. I have been in DC for 5 years and have contributed to quite a few projects, mostly seti (classic and BOINC) but also other projects. Looking at my stats I have more then 600 000 credits in BOINC 15 K in seti classic, etc, etc. This crunchimng is not for free - it takes electricity bandwidth, maintenence. I do this gladly, it is my hobby and I enjoy it. It also costs approximately 100 USD a month (including all).
In Sweden there are no deductions allowed for any charitable contribuitions. If I donate 10 USD from my taxed money the real cost is 25 USD (taxrate is 60% for me). So you may understand why so few Europeans donate - it is just not an efficient way to use the money. If I were in the US, that is a very different matter ...
I donate hardware, time, electricity, internet costs, spare parts. Please do not make people who do not want or can not to donate (for any reason) feel bad. They may even stop crunching. There is no reason at all to make people feel like "milk" when they are doing their best. All are the "cream" here - all who crunch, beta-test, contribute with hard cash, each and every one of them.

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hmm,,
As I scroll down the list I notice some stars, but I notice a lot more without stars. Then I remember what I was taught many years ago by my grandfather. He told me that only the cream rises to the top, that this is true in all things in life. That most of the people will go along and expect things for free all their life. It is not their fault, but the fault of their teachers in life. But the cream, the cream will always rise to the top, it will always give more than the rest. You see, you can drink the milk, but the cream, well it is made into many things, it gives much more than just the milk.

So here is my 2 cents, for all you beer drinkers, take the money from a simple case of beer you would have bought this month, and send it to SETI.

For all you smokers out there, take what you would have spent on 2 packs of cigs. Send that to SETI instead, double benefit there, helps the needed, and your health.

And for all the Soda drinkers out there, take the money from 2 12 packs and send it to SETI, be less sugar in your diet, and less calories.


See we all can make excuses for why we so called cant give, but when it comes down to it, its all about the cream.

And yes, I know this post is off base for this thread, but if not posted here, then many would never see it. For we can always choose to never go into the donation thread, and those never feel guilty for not supporting what we like to do.

Well, in principle I agree with this post. For many people this is just right. But not for all. I have been in DC for 5 years and have contributed to quite a few projects, mostly seti (classic and BOINC) but also other projects. Looking at my stats I have more then 600 000 credits in BOINC 15 K in seti classic, etc, etc. This crunchimng is not for free - it takes electricity bandwidth, maintenence. I do this gladly, it is my hobby and I enjoy it. It also costs approximately 100 USD a month (including all).
In Sweden there are no deductions allowed for any charitable contribuitions. If I donate 10 USD from my taxed money the real cost is 25 USD (taxrate is 60% for me). So you may understand why so few Europeans donate - it is just not an efficient way to use the money. If I were in the US, that is a very different matter ...
I donate hardware, time, electricity, internet costs, spare parts. Please do not make people who do not want or can not to donate (for any reason) feel bad. They may even stop crunching. There is no reason at all to make people feel like "milk" when they are doing their best. All are the "cream" here - all who crunch, beta-test, contribute with hard cash, each and every one of them.

i don't disagree with Beach Bum

but i have to side with petrusbroder here, because it comes down to a simple fact, a project with lots of money and few crunchers is useless, a project with little money and lots of crunchers can plough thru work and do a great deal

my view is one of; i'm here to crunch, it's up to the projects to sort out funding and administration etc.
if SETI is still here in years to come, i'll still crunch, if they're not, i'll donate my time to other projects, i don't mean that in an arrogent way, just that, as much as i like SETI, i wonder if we're trying to keep it running for the sake of it, i mean, classic closed because there were so many problems with it

a good analogy that was used compared classic to an old car, it gets to the point where it's not worth the money (unless you're an old car enthusiast) to keep it running

the context was comparing classic with boinc, but think for a second and apply it to STI in general, i'm not saying SETI isn't worth while, defenetly not, i do believe in the cause entirely, but i think the chance of contact is so small, and considering other more immediate problems that we face, i for one have set my resource share for other projects a lot higher for than SETI
i still do a dozen or so units a week, but projects like CPDN and rosetta get the majority of my time

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... but i have to side with petrusbroder here, because it comes down to a simple fact, a project with lots of money and few crunchers is useless, a project with little money and lots of crunchers can plough thru work and do a great deal

Reminds me of a pearl of wisdom from the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers (I think it was Freewheelin' Franklin that said it): "Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope."

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Hi Beach Bum
I'm a new user (sort of) and I write to say I liked your posting on SETI and agree with you 100%. I have a question and was wondering if you know the answer?

I've been processing SETI data since the very beginning of the online SETI program. At the end of last year I became aware they were changing over to Boinc and dutifully transfered following all instructions. Prior to changing over I had processed some 5500 work units. Now I know that doesnt rank me in the top 1000, but it did the top 1% - not bad for a laptop :-) However I dont seem to have any of that credit transfered as credit in boinc. Since transfering I have some 900 credits. Do you know if that equates to 5500 work units? If not do you know if there has been some delay in transfering credit from the old system?

Any information would be useful
Thanks
Orion

Hi Orion don’t feel bad I had over 21.000 work units and I do not see my credits. I just switched to BONIC I kind of lost touch with the project
Because of a bad injury I suffered and have been out of touch and unable to even sit a computer for more the 2 years. I was a system admin and had seti on more than 50 machines on the network. Now that I can get up and walk around and spend some time on my computer I installed BONIC and just started to check out some of the new options. So I jump to message board and I see some people lashing out because they think more people should be giving more money. So if you find anything out let me know thanks

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Hi Orion don’t feel bad I had over 21.000 work units and I do not see my credits.

By clicking on your name, I get to see some of your account information, which includes:
Total credit 26.57
Recent average credit 0.04
SETI@home classic workunits 21,712
SETI@home classic CPU time 238,013 hours
Your record has not been lost, you've successfully linked to your Classic account. Because of the changes in the way credit is awarded, the two versions are not compatible and won't be combinded, but your work is recognized.

MJ

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Quick question, I downloaded and am using Crunch3r's SETI optimization, is there an additional benefit by downloading the BOINC opt. as well or does it have some other benefit to other projects?

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Quick question, I downloaded and am using Crunch3r's SETI optimization, is there an additional benefit by downloading the BOINC opt. as well or does it have some other benefit to other projects?

The "optimized" BOINC clients generally adjust credit claims or estimates of turnaround time (for better control of cache size) rather than improve performance per se. AIUI they base these adjustments on benchmarks that are specific, or calibrated, to the type of calculations done by a particular crunching app, instead of using generic Flops and integer ratings for the system.

I believe it's best to use optimized BOINC clients only on hosts that are attached to a single project, as they can distort credit claims and workloads on projects they weren't designed for. OTOH from what I've gathered from reading these boards, some clients allow you to turn off the optimization for the crunchers they don't benchmark well, so you could use one of those without fear of affecting your other projects (if any).

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Quick question, I downloaded and am using Crunch3r's SETI optimization, is there an additional benefit by downloading the BOINC opt. as well or does it have some other benefit to other projects?

The "optimized" BOINC clients generally adjust credit claims or estimates of turnaround time (for better control of cache size) rather than improve performance per se. AIUI they base these adjustments on benchmarks that are specific, or calibrated, to the type of calculations done by a particular crunching app, instead of using generic Flops and integer ratings for the system.

I believe it's best to use optimized BOINC clients only on hosts that are attached to a single project, as they can distort credit claims and workloads on projects they weren't designed for. OTOH from what I've gathered from reading these boards, some clients allow you to turn off the optimization for the crunchers they don't benchmark well, so you could use one of those without fear of affecting your other projects (if any).

If it doesn't improve time, I don't think I'll deal with the hassles of it affecting other projects claims.

Thanks for the answer!

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Hmmm...I know with the amopunt of RAM I have installed, I am using a ridiculously small percentage of it overall.

However, with a few of the programs I have that are coded to access whatever idle RAM that exists, those progs seem to run comparitively faster, and that's an objectively made assertion.

Therefore, would not a truly "optimized" BOINC program be written to do this similarly, by essentially using the "excess" RAM to create virtual processor(s)?

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Therefore, would not a truly "optimized" BOINC program be written to do this similarly, by essentially using the "excess" RAM to create virtual processor(s)?

RAM doesn't do any processiong, RAM only stores data

also using up RAM just for the sake of it is pointless, and never a good idea, it can lead to lots of swapping to disk, which is bad if the system otherwise has plenty of RAM

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hmm,,
As I scroll down the list I notice some stars, but I notice a lot more without stars. Then I remember what I was taught many years ago by my grandfather. He told me that only the cream rises to the top, that this is true in all things in life. That most of the people will go along and expect things for free all their life. It is not their fault, but the fault of their teachers in life. But the cream, the cream will always rise to the top, it will always give more than the rest. You see, you can drink the milk, but the cream, well it is made into many things, it gives much more than just the milk.

So here is my 2 cents, for all you beer drinkers, take the money from a simple case of beer you would have bought this month, and send it to SETI.

For all you smokers out there, take what you would have spent on 2 packs of cigs. Send that to SETI instead, double benefit there, helps the needed, and your health.

And for all the Soda drinkers out there, take the money from 2 12 packs and send it to SETI, be less sugar in your diet, and less calories.


See we all can make excuses for why we so called cant give, but when it comes down to it, its all about the cream.

And yes, I know this post is off base for this thread, but if not posted here, then many would never see it. For we can always choose to never go into the donation thread, and those never feel guilty for not supporting what we like to do.

My Grandfater too taught me that only the cream rises to the top. He also taught me another valuable lesson that a fool and his money are soon parted. While I don't necessarily feel that anyone who chooses to contribute to the SETI project is a fool I also can not agree that a monetary contribution to the SETI project is what delineates the cream from the milk. At this point in the history of mankind there are IMHO more important matters to be settled.

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My Grandfater too taught me that only the cream rises to the top. He also taught me another valuable lesson that a fool and his money are soon parted. While I don't necessarily feel that anyone who chooses to contribute to the SETI project is a fool I also can not agree that a monetary contribution to the SETI project is what delineates the cream from the milk. At this point in the history of mankind there are IMHO more important matters to be settled.

All true enough. And indeed there are many urgent problems in the world.

However, to cure all the problems of the world is an impossible task. And to concentrate on only a very few problems in itself would create more severe problems due to neglecting 'small problems' that then worsen.

There is always a balancing act for how best to cure all problems as best can be done.

s@h shouldn't be a 'problem' in itself. Rather, the research and community that surrounds s@h should be a positive influence to help the world in general. Whether or not we find an alien signal is only part of this story.

Share your money and your effort in whatever proportions you feel for yourself is most useful.

We can yet 'save' the world... ;-)


Regardless, s@h is "good fun!" and an 'education'...

Happy crunchin',

Regards,
Martin

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hmm,,
As I scroll down the list I notice some stars, but I notice a lot more without stars. Then I remember what I was taught many years ago by my grandfather. He told me that only the cream rises to the top, that this is true in all things in life. That most of the people will go along and expect things for free all their life. It is not their fault, but the fault of their teachers in life. But the cream, the cream will always rise to the top, it will always give more than the rest. You see, you can drink the milk, but the cream, well it is made into many things, it gives much more than just the milk.

So here is my 2 cents, for all you beer drinkers, take the money from a simple case of beer you would have bought this month, and send it to SETI.

For all you smokers out there, take what you would have spent on 2 packs of cigs. Send that to SETI instead, double benefit there, helps the needed, and your health.

And for all the Soda drinkers out there, take the money from 2 12 packs and send it to SETI, be less sugar in your diet, and less calories.


See we all can make excuses for why we so called cant give, but when it comes down to it, its all about the cream.

And yes, I know this post is off base for this thread, but if not posted here, then many would never see it. For we can always choose to never go into the donation thread, and those never feel guilty for not supporting what we like to do.

My Grandfater too taught me that only the cream rises to the top. He also taught me another valuable lesson that a fool and his money are soon parted. While I don't necessarily feel that anyone who chooses to contribute to the SETI project is a fool I also can not agree that a monetary contribution to the SETI project is what delineates the cream from the milk. At this point in the history of mankind there are IMHO more important matters to be settled.

My Dear Fellow Traveler Thru Life,

Some of us have donated money, but for whatever reason don't have a nifty little green star beside our names.

I think it takes a little time, most things worth having do.

As for myself, I can't change humanity, but I can commiserate with others. I too would love to see more in contributions.

Yours in the Quest for E.T. (I Know He's Out There),
Jim Howard
Master Sergeant,U.S. Army (Retired)

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For forum posting etiquette please watch our animated Posting Guide: http://uploads.ungrounded.net/188000/188612_Posting.swf

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At the risk of being redundant, I d/l the Crunch3r optimized files last night, and amazingly my wu times went from 3-3.5 hours to just over an hour.

However, my claimed credits dropped drastically to like 5-9 per unit. I read somewhere there may be a fix for that, or is it something that's corrected when all the hosts are finished with that unit? Thanks.

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ahem, in the interest of etiquette it's also good practice to post URLs as links, see the BBCode page to learn how (or click "reply to this post" to see what i did)

For forum posting etiquette please watch our animated Posting Guide: http://uploads.ungrounded.net/188000/188612_Posting.swf

ahem, in the TRUE interest of etiquette it's good practice to find out why one URL is different. Obviously if you look in that post you can clearly see I know bbcode as there are plenty of links. How did you miss that?

ok, i guess i was kinda asleep when i wrote that, it does seem a stupid reply for someone as knowledgeable as yourself, appologies, no offense ment :)

But what you didn't bother to figure out was that ungrounded.net link doesn't allow hotlinking. If you clicked directly you would be referred to a different page. By copying the link and pasting it into your address bar you can access the file directly. The hotlinking only worked if the file was already in your browser's cache. If there's anything else I can teach you please ask. Live long and crunch. :-)

works for me, why is your browser sending referers for 3rd party sites? if the referer is omitted then it works, try the RefControl extension for firefox (default referer for sites not listed should be "block (3rd party only)" but you'll want "normal" for sites like validator.w3.org which need the referer to work in some situations)

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I haven't installed any extensions since I upgraded FF to 1.5. It's up to the browser? I always thought it was site dependant where the link was. Thanks for the info and the extension! Is there a setting that will work for IE users or will they still still have to copy and paste?

well, the HTTP spec just says that it should be sent to any site regardless, but that spec was writen years ago and didn't take into account current privacy concerns, so firefox (just as it is) is doing what it's told to do,
by installing the refcontrol extensionm with those settingsm you add a level of privacy to your browsing (with firefox at least)

oh, and yes, it's up to the browser, it's the browser that is sending the referer in the request (or not as the case my be with RefControl)

as for IE, i use Norton Internet Security, which blanks out the referer with hyphens according to the rules you set (default is to block the referer for 3rd party sites)

but doing it with just IE along, i'm not sure, the best place to look would be the "zone" settings tab, and customise the settings for the "internet" (default) zone and run Ethereal to see the headers being sent (i can offer help with which filters to use if you're not familiar with ethereal)

but unfortunetly IE is no where near as customisable as firefox is :(

as for other extensions, there are loads which vastly enhance the usability and function of firefox, i can link to (to save space) some that i recommend if you're interested

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