Tuesday Morn

I have had to logon more than once to get the software running.

My old account, that ran for years, was not accessable.

Apparently, I can no longer start the program when I want: that is, click the button to start the "screen saver" and then watch the program do its thing.

Having to wait sorta takes the fun out of sharing the program with my grandchildren.

The instructions for setup, etc., were not clear, and more than annoying. I signed up for SETI, not for a "join a project" experience.

And so on.

The old program was easier, and more fun.

And this new one asks me again for username and password, so it can work, it is history here.

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Tuesday Morn

I have had to logon more than once to get the software running.

My old account, that ran for years, was not accessable.

Apparently, I can no longer start the program when I want: that is, click the button to start the "screen saver" and then watch the program do its thing.

Having to wait sorta takes the fun out of sharing the program with my grandchildren.

The instructions for setup, etc., were not clear, and more than annoying. I signed up for SETI, not for a "join a project" experience.

And so on.

The old program was easier, and more fun.

And this new one asks me again for username and password, so it can work, it is history here.

Screen saver does work on BOINC. And the password and user name is for YOUR protection. to attach: enter project URL and password...password on new BOINC is the password YOU created. If you did not make your own password then your password is your account ID sent to you by SETI when you joined.
If you have a classic account you can activte it on the homepage Here. Your WU's completed by SETI classic will display as completed in your new profile/account stats. But your BOINC credits will start at 0.00

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

As an OLD SETI fan/participant from waywayway back, I find your tone of reply to Jesse puzzling. I suspect that the use of a CAPITAL YOU was ment to convey resposibility of action by you, but it came off sounding/reading as patronising. I agree with Jesse that the issue of setup and deployment of BOINC software is confusingly written. And while I don,t mind being part of a group effort, restarting an individuals credit from 0 stikes me {struck me} as parismonys.

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As an OLD SETI fan/participant from waywayway back, I find your tone of reply to Jesse puzzling. I suspect that the use of a CAPITAL YOU was ment to convey resposibility of action by you, but it came off sounding/reading as patronising. I agree with Jesse that the issue of setup and deployment of BOINC software is confusingly written. And while I don,t mind being part of a group effort, restarting an individuals credit from 0 stikes me {struck me} as parismonys.

Did you mean parsimonious? The credits can't be combined they are apples and oranges. More reading might improve your understanding of what is going on.

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David Stites
Pullman, WA USA

I decided to download the new seti version and was greated by this boinc thing and boy does it suck. I work in the IT department at work and I am having trouble understanding anything about this program. This is what I want. Seti to run with the screensaver like it use to. I like the new graphics but if seti can't be set to run only with the screen saver forget it. Can I ditch this boinc thing in favor of the old style program with new graphics? I play games and this boinc thing is eating all my CPU's. I have it set not run if I haven't used my computer for 5 minutes..Yeah right it always runs. I set it to 120 via he website and it still runs. Then out of the blue I saw my first stop error on my computer...the first in 5 years and I leave it on all the time. I rebooted and promptly removed boinc. I still have the old seti installed but I think I will remove it to since it appears it doesn't mean anything anymore. Really dissapointed user from WAY back. I have like 1371 HARD Earned units on my seti 3.03 that actually works fine and only runs when screensaver runs. Do you still have such a program? Man I'm mad and I can't believe anyone likes this garbage. I for one think you will lose alot of old users of seti and new ones to because no one can understand this crap. Yeah if you run spyware this boinc might be right up your alley! You should go back to the CLASIC design and leave this boinc to people who are newbies and don't care if they run another crappy program (all the time) on there computer. Yeah I agree with the new coke/ old coke thing. I like the old coke and will never go for the new coke. Either bring it back or bye bye new coke. Maybe I am missing something but I feel more than a few others agree!!!

I decided to download the new seti version and was greated by this boinc thing and boy does it suck. I work in the IT department at work and I am having trouble understanding anything about this program. This is what I want. Seti to run with the screensaver like it use to. I like the new graphics but if seti can't be set to run only with the screen saver forget it. Can I ditch this boinc thing in favor of the old style program with new graphics? I play games and this boinc thing is eating all my CPU's. I have it set not run if I haven't used my computer for 5 minutes..Yeah right it always runs. I set it to 120 via he website and it still runs. Then out of the blue I saw my first stop error on my computer...the first in 5 years and I leave it on all the time. I rebooted and promptly removed boinc. I still have the old seti installed but I think I will remove it to since it appears it doesn't mean anything anymore. Really dissapointed user from WAY back. I have like 1371 HARD Earned units on my seti 3.03 that actually works fine and only runs when screensaver runs. Do you still have such a program? Man I'm mad and I can't believe anyone likes this garbage. I for one think you will love alot of old people and new ones because no one can understand this crap. Yeah if you run spyware this boinc might be right up your alley! You should go back to the CLASIC design and leave this boinc to people who are newbies and don't care if they run another crappy program (all the time) on there computer. Yeah I agree with the new coke/ old coke thing. I like the old coke and will never go for the new coke. Either bring it back or bye bye new coke. Maybe I am missing something but I feel more than a few others agree!!!

Eat up CPU? You are mistaken. BOINC is designed to NOT do that (2.53MB is small). You can set the program to run only when snreensaver is active. Do you have you SETI Settings set to your BOINC and vise versa?

Garbage? I think not. Remember the SETI@home people are the same that made BOINC. Perhaps if you paste your errors we can help. Degrading the program solves nothing.

Design of the graphics I agree. I liked the old ones. But I have an Old computer so I do not need the extra graphics.

So please tell us what exactly is going wrong and maybe we can help

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

>>>>Eat up CPU? You are mistaken. BOINC is designed to NOT do that (2.53MB is small). You can set the program to run only when snreensaver is active. Do you have you SETI Settings set to your BOINC and vise versa?

Ummm well all I know is I installed BOINC via the website and I set my screensaver to run boinc...Ok it shold be that simple...well I bring up my taskmanager and my CPU is being used by SETI version 4 something...HUH my screen saver isn't running. I look in boinc and it says its running? I close boinc..Then when screen saver comes up it says its disable or something because boinc isn't running.. This is not user friendly..sure If I didn't know how to look in the task manager I might not notice anything wrong..or if I didn't play games.

>>>>Garbage? I think not. Remember the SETI@home people are the same that made BOINC. Perhaps if you paste your errors we can help. Degrading the program solves nothing.

Well its BLOATED... I don't want it to eat my CPU or MEMORY untill the screensaver starts..IS this possible? Thats how I ran the OLD Version.


>>>>Design of the graphics I agree. I liked the old ones. But I have an Old computer so I do not need the extra graphics.

I like the new graphics don't get me wrong...they could be better yes but I would perfer the old if it means a leaner running program.

>>>So please tell us what exactly is going wrong and maybe we can help
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Anyway to load the SETI without BOINC? Thats what I want or should I stick with my old seti program? Will it ever stop working? Am I still even helping by running those units? Why is the new system so confusing? Owell is there any other programs like SETI that only works with screensaver and helps out?

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Anyway to load the SETI without BOINC? Thats what I want or should I stick with my old seti program? Will it ever stop working? Am I still even helping by running those units? Why is the new system so confusing? Owell is there any other programs like SETI that only works with screensaver and helps out?

No. you have to use BOINC. You can Use classic until they shut it down. when that is, I do not know. I do not think there is a set date yet. If you want to continue when classic is gone you will have to use BOINC for SETI@home.

Your WU's on Classic will analyze and run as they do on BOINC until Classic is shut down. But when you join BOINC Youe new BOINC credits will start at 0.00.

The Screensaver is customizable in the new SETI. You can cusomize them in your Preferences area on the SETI@home site.

If you download and use an optimized client for SETI on BOINC you will NOT get a screensaver at all and uses less disk space. SETI 4.18 is the application BOINC uses to run SETI as mfold is for BOINC to run Predictor. BOINC is designed to use several projects now and in the future. This way saves, at the moment, the most disk space and memory. When BOINC switches from SETI to say Predictor, it removes the SETI WU from memory to use the memory soace for Predictor. (do not worry, the WU's will still pick up where they left off.)

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

I decided to give it another shot. I think I got it working now. Thanks for the help Jason. I guess it is kinda the same as the old one after you get it setup right. I got it to only run with my screensaver now and it seems really cool. Only using like 6k memory and not using any cpu power except after 4 minutes of inactivity. And at 5 minutes on inactivity the screensaver fires up and boinc is running my seti. Might try some of the other projects in the future.

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I decided to give it another shot. I think I got it working now. Thanks for the help Jason. I guess it is kinda the same as the old one after you get it setup right. I got it to only run with my screensaver now and it seems really cool. Only using like 6k memory and not using any cpu power except after 4 minutes of inactivity. And at 5 minutes on inactivity the screensaver fires up and boinc is running my seti. Might try some of the other projects in the future.

I am on Windows 98 so i know how you feel with the usage and whatnot. I wish i could join more projects :( For the moment its PrimeGrid, SETI, and Predictor@Home. I also am doing FightAIDS@Home. its NOT part of BOINC.

here is a list of Distributed Comupting projects:
Active Distributed Computing Projects

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

This new software sucks:
1. It takes hours and a plenty of unsuccesful attempts to get connected to SETI.
Old program was so simple - it took seconds to start from scratch.
2. I cannot believe that the same people designed and coded the new BOINC app that made old SETI program:
3. new graphic screen saver is horrible, old graphic was much better,
4. I cannot start screen saver by muself,
5. it does not show number of sets I did, it shows number of credits (what are credits?), and those numbers always lie - one of my PCs shows 2000 credits, another PC shows 1000 credits - for the same SETI account,
6. this BOINC (I cannot resist call it OINC, sorry) manager screen is terrible:
- work: does not show when set processing starts, does not show when it ends, it shows only senseless "Report deadline". Would I be fired or lose my bonus if I miss project deadline? It's ridicilous.
- Messages: show work for today only, most of the messages are kind of programmers logging - they tell nothing about what program is really doing.
- Statistics - instead of showing somering useful and understanable there are some senseless charts that show no info about nothing.
Conclusion: new BOINC software is a big dissapontment, it's huge step backwards comparing to good old SETI screen. I will run old version on my home PC as long as I can.

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Most people are happy with BOINC it may take people from classic a while to get used to theres lots to read about cobblestones, credits, etc.

BOINC has been very sucessful in many aspects one been the amount of other projects now running on BOINC with many happy crunchers

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This new software sucks:
1. It takes hours and a plenty of unsuccesful attempts to get connected to SETI.
Old program was so simple - it took seconds to start from scratch.
2. I cannot believe that the same people designed and coded the new BOINC app that made old SETI program:
3. new graphic screen saver is horrible, old graphic was much better,
4. I cannot start screen saver by muself,
5. it does not show number of sets I did, it shows number of credits (what are credits?), and those numbers always lie - one of my PCs shows 2000 credits, another PC shows 1000 credits - for the same SETI account,
6. this BOINC (I cannot resist call it OINC, sorry) manager screen is terrible:
- work: does not show when set processing starts, does not show when it ends, it shows only senseless "Report deadline". Would I be fired or lose my bonus if I miss project deadline? It's ridicilous.
- Messages: show work for today only, most of the messages are kind of programmers logging - they tell nothing about what program is really doing.
- Statistics - instead of showing somering useful and understanable there are some senseless charts that show no info about nothing.
Conclusion: new BOINC software is a big dissapontment, it's huge step backwards comparing to good old SETI screen. I will run old version on my home PC as long as I can.

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Am about ready to remove BOINC and all related files from Mac...will not run, prevents me from using my own computer...uncontrolable...thought I would try to make it work...It doesn't...now it won't work on my PC XP either...sigh....

Any ideas?

Dr. bob

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Robert L. Hanson, Ed.D.

Am about ready to remove BOINC and all related files from Mac...will not run, prevents me from using my own computer...uncontrolable...thought I would try to make it work...It doesn't...now it won't work on my PC XP either...sigh....

Any ideas?

Dr. bob

Maybe you were bitten by the weekly outage, happening each Wednesday.
The servers sould be available again right now.

Regards Hans

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Dr. Bob, you can go into "your account" and change your preferences as to when BOINC runs...

Try that before you throw in the towel...

This new software sucks:
1. It takes hours and a plenty of unsuccessful attempts to get connected to SETI.
Old program was so simple - it took seconds to start from scratch.
2. I cannot believe that the same people designed and coded the new BOINC app that made old SETI program:
3. new graphic screen saver is horrible, old graphic was much better,
4. I cannot start screen saver by myself,
5. it does not show number of sets I did, it shows number of credits (what are credits?), and those numbers always lie - one of my PCs shows 2000 credits, another PC shows 1000 credits - for the same SETI account,
6. this BOINC (I cannot resist call it OINC, sorry) manager screen is terrible:
- work: does not show when set processing starts, does not show when it ends, it shows only senseless "Report deadline". Would I be fired or lose my bonus if I miss project deadline? It's ridiculous.
- Messages: show work for today only, most of the messages are kind of programmers logging - they tell nothing about what program is really doing.
- Statistics - instead of showing something useful and understandable there are some senseless charts that show no info about nothing.
Conclusion: new BOINC software is a big disappointment, it's huge step backwards comparing to good old SETI screen. I will run old version on my home PC as long as I can.

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Am about ready to remove BOINC and all related files from Mac...will not run, prevents me from using my own computer...uncontrollable...thought I would try to make it work...It doesn't...now it won't work on my PC XP either...sigh....

Any ideas?

Dr. bob

Hi James here. I have to say I agree with you, and I use the BOINC on a Pentium 3 @605 Megahertz. 1 Gigabyte main RAM @ 133 Megahertz, ATI9550 Graphics card with 256 Megabytes DDR RAM, and other enhancements for an older computer. The old SETI works fine except a small display bug. The program opens the screen display, and is always a bit short from the bottom of it's display, hiding about 1/10 of the display with it's information. SETI works fine otherwise. BOINC 5.2.2 on the other hand doesn't start when loaded. I t first tells me that my computer is overcommited((The overcommited warning is only during system boot up)) (even if SETI isn't running), or other software isn't running that would normally use processor power. Even in those cases SETI runs without a bug. BOINC takes 10 minutes before it will even start working after this message. If SETI is run. It starts without a hitch. Why can't the makers of the BOINC software stop making excuses as to why the software doesn't work correctly, and stop blaming it on the servers. The servers only do the work. Programmers make the program. It is also still in conflict with my graphics card. The problem has been lessened by the version "5.8" of the Control Panel software for the card. I am disabling BOINC and will soon uninstall it. I will continue to run SETI as long as it is still accessible. Thank You in Advance for Your Assistance in fixing a bug ridden software.

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I loved classic . Every time it was ready I got a prompt , clicked on it and was processing the next unit within 30 seconds . I do like the 3d graphic but it doesn't launch automatically as a screensaver - I have to start it manually . I have BOINC set to run always but classic was so much simpler and reiable .

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It seems like Jesse doesn't want any help... he got a lot of response, but didn't feel the need to reply... what a pity...

Greetings,
Sander

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Regardless of what anyone says, the fact remains that the account I started in 1999 was inaccessible when I tried to change over to BOINC. I tried to change my account over, and apparently if you can not remember the password you used 7 years ago, you are just out of luck. Honestly, I can not remember ever having to enter a passwork back then. So that's over 1500 work units gone, and I was just lucky I had another e-mail address I could use, since all I got was notification that an account existed with my OLD address. Why couldn't I ask for my password to be sent to the e-mail address you had on file?
Now it appears that all my credit was gone anyway. Great. Not that I was doing this for recognition or credit or, say, maybe a nice gold star or something, but if our past donations of processor time matter so little, then obviously you don't really care at all. At least that's how it seems to me. I am unfortunately now looking for another distributed computing effort to be part of. I never thought I'd do that.

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I have enjoyed running Seti@Home since 1999..over 34,000 hours and over 4,300 results...I used to check my status everyday against the people who started the same day as I , to see if I was gaining or losing postion..I have upgraded my computer threee times , only for the purpose to gain speed for Seti..With that said..I think your new system sucks and will delete it..When the Classic Seti goes away ,I am sorry to say I will too.

Thank You for the Seti Classic..

Gandalf

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