WOW, the You failed, ..... makes sound like it's my failure! But that brings up another question... Should I turn off the BOINC when my virus software tells me i have an update waiting to be downloaded or should the laptop/windows be able handle both things without causing trouble?

Um, not what I meant ... :)

You as in the generic sense.

I do all sorts of work with my PCs and that inculdes updates and I have not seen BOINC get into a tizzy over it. Your mileage might vary some ... :)

Well, i have had another "Client Error" this morning and another was just sent in as Success.... I'm i really doing that bad or is it because i am now able to see them? In the Classic i never knew if my PC was uploading anything good! But it now looks like i have about 5 "Client Errors" I don't think it's from overheating because my laptop had only been on about 15 mins beforethe 1st upload took place that was a "Client Error"... Any ideas or i'm just worried over nothing?
Ricy

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Client Errors should be few and far in between. So, yes I would worry. WHen I look in my account I have to go back 440 results to see my first one.

Some computers are unstable and these can USUALLY be detected by running other stressful programs. See the "How-To" Guide section for some tips on how to test your machine.

Our "usual suspects" are heat and over-clocking or both. There maybe other things too ... but, start with the stress testing and see if that works without errors ...

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Any ideas or i'm just worried over nothing?

ANY time you get a lot of client errors, it's telling you that there is something wrong with your PC. Heat, overclocking, bad RAM, file corruption, virus... definitely time to run some diagnostics.

Any ideas or i'm just worried over nothing?

ANY time you get a lot of client errors, it's telling you that there is something wrong with your PC. Heat, overclocking, bad RAM, file corruption, virus... definitely time to run some diagnostics.

OK, Not sure hot to do the things listed in the How-to but I hae scaned my laptop for visuses whenever i think there may be a problem. Plus i do a scan earch week. And i have just done one and everything is ok.

Ricky

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Check for spyware also. Most AV don't also do spyware well. LavaSoft has a free scanner that I use as needed.

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Check for spyware also. Most AV don't also do spyware well. LavaSoft has a free scanner that I use as needed.

OK, Let's see, I have scanned the HDD and everything there is good. I have ran my virus program that also checks for spyware (SystemSuite6) and I too have the one from LavaSoft and it found nothing also. (Could be because the SystemSuite6 found them and some other yummy cookies and deleted them). I also did a memory check and my laptop shares the memory with the display so it is showing 480MB of Ram.

I have noticed that at times my ScreenSaver won't start the BOINC..... it just shows a blank dark screen. Would that have anything to do with it?

Ricky

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Check for spyware also. Most AV don't also do spyware well. LavaSoft has a free scanner that I use as needed.

OK, Let's see, I have scanned the HDD and everything there is good. I have ran my virus program that also checks for spyware (SystemSuite6) and I too have the one from LavaSoft and it found nothing also. (Could be because the SystemSuite6 found them and some other yummy cookies and deleted them). I also did a memory check and my laptop shares the memory with the display so it is showing 480MB of Ram.

I have noticed that at times my ScreenSaver won't start the BOINC..... it just shows a blank dark screen. Would that have anything to do with it?

Ricky

P.S. I just saw that why i was doing all this "testing" that i uploaded another "Client Error" :(

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I have noticed that at times my ScreenSaver won't start the BOINC..... it just shows a blank dark screen. Would that have anything to do with it?

Ricky

This is a symptom of the same issue in all likelihood. I now run BOINC as a service, but when I'd had it as a screen saver, then any work unit that was "stuck" or otherwise mangled would show a blank screen. In my particular case SETI@home was working fine and Einstein@home had the problem. When it was Einstein's turn to display, I'd get a blank screen.

You can spot-test for this by hitting the "Show Graphics" button on the Work tab of the BOINC manager.

Unfortunately, a blank screen is not a very specific symptom. Hopefully it jogs the memory of one of the folks trying to help you.

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I have noticed that at times my ScreenSaver won't start the BOINC..... it just shows a blank dark screen. Would that have anything to do with it?

As much trouble as there has been with the screen savers and various video cards, etc., I would certainly "turn off" the BOINC screen saver - use a blank screen - especially on a laptop. The graphics eat up way too much of the CPU and are too prone to failure. Didn't realize you were running the screensaver or this might have been my first suggestion... sigh. Although it's usually the Einstein screensaver that causes more problems than the SETI one...

I have noticed that at times my ScreenSaver won't start the BOINC..... it just shows a blank dark screen. Would that have anything to do with it?

Ricky

This is a symptom of the same issue in all likelihood. I now run BOINC as a service, but when I'd had it as a screen saver, then any work unit that was "stuck" or otherwise mangled would show a blank screen. In my particular case SETI@home was working fine and Einstein@home had the problem. When it was Einstein's turn to display, I'd get a blank screen.

You can spot-test for this by hitting the "Show Graphics" button on the Work tab of the BOINC manager.

Unfortunately, a blank screen is not a very specific symptom. Hopefully it jogs the memory of one of the folks trying to help you.

The thing is that during these times that i get a blank screen and i go to the check the "Show Graphics" is grayed out and won't work! In fact as of right now i have 3 WU that says that they are "ready to run" but nothing is running after that last "Client Error" was uploaded.

Ricky

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The thing is that during these times that i get a blank screen and i go to the check the "Show Graphics" is grayed out and won't work! In fact as of right now i have 3 WU that says that they are "ready to run" but nothing is running after that last "Client Error" was uploaded.

Ricky

What version of the SETI client are you using? If you have BOINC running as a service, or you are using an "optimized" SETI client, then Show Graphics will be disabled. Any time that you try to use the BOINC screen saver in such a case you will get a blank screen.

For example, if you have an optimized SETI client and a normal CPDN client, then you see CPDN graphics when while crunching a CPDN work unit, but a blank screen while the optimized SETI client is crunching. Jettisoning the graphics seems to be one of the optimizations for speed.

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The thing is that during these times that i get a blank screen and i go to the check the "Show Graphics" is grayed out and won't work! In fact as of right now i have 3 WU that says that they are "ready to run" but nothing is running after that last "Client Error" was uploaded.

Ricky

What version of the SETI client are you using? If you have BOINC running as a service, or you are using an "optimized" SETI client, then Show Graphics will be disabled. Any time that you try to use the BOINC screen saver in such a case you will get a blank screen.

For example, if you have an optimized SETI client and a normal CPDN client, then you see CPDN graphics when while crunching a CPDN work unit, but a blank screen while the optimized SETI client is crunching. Jettisoning the graphics seems to be one of the optimizations for speed.

From what i can see i'm running 4.18 or that is what i see under the message tap when BOINC is posting messages. But why is nothing running now? I'm i about to be dropped from the system due to because of to many errors?

Ricky

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From what i can see i'm running 4.18 or that is what i see under the message tap when BOINC is posting messages. But why is nothing running now? I'm i about to be dropped from the system due to because of to many errors?

Ricky

If you downloaded and installed an "optimized" client but happened to select the wrong one (some come in multiple flavors that must be matched exactly to your CPU model) then you could run into problems like you described.

If you haven't gone out of your way to install an "optimized" client, then you are running the standard 4.18 client. This is the application that you get automatically when you attach to the project.

An excessive number of errors can cause the server to lower your maximum-workunits-per-day, but it never goes below 1/day. Every valid result doubles your maximum-workunits-per-day (up to 100/day). Once you get your computer up and running, this quota will take care of itself.

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According to the work he's returned, he's using 4.45.

MJ

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According to the work he's returned, he's using 4.45.

MJ

Are you talking about my work? If so where did you find this info? My messages only refers to 4.18? Where do i look for it?

Ricky

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According to the work he's returned, he's using 4.45.

MJ

Are you talking about my work? If so where did you find this info? My messages only refers to 4.18? Where do i look for it?

Ricky

Go to "Your Account".
Click on "View" under "Results"
Click on the "Result ID" that you want to look at.

When clicking on your last result that you returned on the 1st computer listed under your account, this is what comes up,


Result ID 112152738
Name 06no03aa.20350.28224.297172.43_3
Workunit 26601701
Created 13 Sep 2005 2:54:49 UTC
Sent 14 Sep 2005 1:56:33 UTC
Received 20 Sep 2005 19:50:41 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Success
Client state Done
Exit status 0 (0x0)
Computer ID 1316786
Report deadline 28 Sep 2005 1:56:33 UTC
CPU time 16524.421875
stderr out <core_client_version>4.45</core_client_version>
<stderr_txt>

</stderr_txt>


Validate state Valid
Claimed credit 31.593118651765
Granted credit 32.9608968243098
application version 4.18

As you can see, your using "Core Cliet Version 4.45", which is the BOINC client.

"Application Version 4.18" is what Seti application you currently have running.

Hope that helps some.

Jeremy

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According to the work he's returned, he's using 4.45.

MJ

Are you talking about my work? If so where did you find this info? My messages only refers to 4.18? Where do i look for it?

Ricky

Go to "Your Account".
Click on "View" under "Results"
Click on the "Result ID" that you want to look at.

When clicking on your last result that you returned on the 1st computer listed under your account, this is what comes up,

OK, kool, so i'm i running the "optimized" or the standard? and when asked do i say 4.45 or 4.18?

Oh yes and one other thing i notice sometimes that the display is kinda jerky at time like the CPU is working on other things in the backround too.

Ricky

Result ID 112152738
Name 06no03aa.20350.28224.297172.43_3
Workunit 26601701
Created 13 Sep 2005 2:54:49 UTC
Sent 14 Sep 2005 1:56:33 UTC
Received 20 Sep 2005 19:50:41 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Success
Client state Done
Exit status 0 (0x0)
Computer ID 1316786
Report deadline 28 Sep 2005 1:56:33 UTC
CPU time 16524.421875
stderr out <core_client_version>4.45</core_client_version>
<stderr_txt>

</stderr_txt>


Validate state Valid
Claimed credit 31.593118651765
Granted credit 32.9608968243098
application version 4.18

As you can see, your using "Core Cliet Version 4.45", which is the BOINC client.

"Application Version 4.18" is what Seti application you currently have running.

Hope that helps some.

Jeremy

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OK, kool, so i'm i running the "optimized" or the standard? and when asked do i say 4.45 or 4.18?

Looks like you've got the standard versions of both the BOINC core client and the SETI Science app.

Oh yes and one other thing i notice sometimes that the display is kinda jerky at time like the CPU is working on other things in the backround too.

That's probably what's happening. <g> I see it too, when I'm multi-tasking. Since I don't leave the display up for long, I haven't worried about it.

When you're ready to tackle something new, you might have a look at the BBCode for posting messages, particularaly the [ quote] [ /quote] tags. Your reply was buried in a quote of the entire previous message, with nothing to make it stand out. It's not difficult to get the hang of how it works, and you can look at the coding in other people's messages by hitting reply and checking out the tags in the message box.

MJ

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OK, kool, so i'm i running the "optimized" or the standard? and when asked do i say 4.45 or 4.18?

Looks like you've got the standard versions of both the BOINC core client and the SETI Science app.

Oh yes and one other thing i notice sometimes that the display is kinda jerky at time like the CPU is working on other things in the backround too.

That's probably what's happening. <g> I see it too, when I'm multi-tasking. Since I don't leave the display up for long, I haven't worried about it.

When you're ready to tackle something new, you might have a look at the BBCode for posting messages, particularaly the [ quote] [ /quote] tags. Your reply was buried in a quote of the entire previous message, with nothing to make it stand out. It's not difficult to get the hang of how it works, and you can look at the coding in other people's messages by hitting reply and checking out the tags in the message box.

MJ

OK I did notice that I had typed in the middle if the message after I had hit return :(
Anyway I have clicked the "no New Work" thingy for this laptop until i can do more testing. I guess it will finish the work it has and turn it in until it's done right? Once i feel better with it i can restart the work. How do i tell it not to download more then 2 WU? Right now it downloads 4 and sometimes 5.
Another reason for doing this is that this laptop will be offline for about a week or two while i'm gone away for some R & R :)

Thanks for your time and help!!
Ricky

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OK I did notice that I had typed in the middle if the message after I had hit return :(
Anyway I have clicked the "no New Work" thingy for this laptop until i can do more testing. I guess it will finish the work it has and turn it in until it's done right? Once i feel better with it i can restart the work. How do i tell it not to download more then 2 WU? Right now it downloads 4 and sometimes 5.
Another reason for doing this is that this laptop will be offline for about a week or two while i'm gone away for some R & R :)

Thanks for your time and help!!
Ricky

The most straightforward way to limit the size of your WU cache is to change the "connect to server every X days" setting in your profile. Whatever it is now, cut it in half and you should keep 2 or 3 work units on your machine at a time. Forget how often you actually want to connect... this setting relies on (for now) inaccurate benchmarks.

When you dial up to connect, it will refill its cache up to the amount you specificied. Unfortunately, there is no way to explicitly say "I want exactly 2 work units."

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