I've been patient- I really wanted this new program to work- but it doesn't. Now after 2 weeks & 3 posts on this help page Boinc does nothing- it won't download work units, it won't calculate, it doesn't function as a screensaver.

To be quite honest I don't have a clue about the preferences I was told to select or how much memory or systems capabilites I should allow for this program? Why are there no default settings? Fire the undergrad programmer & pay some money for a real programmer. I am a paying member of the Planetary Society funding this project- I'm all for progress & improvement.

I still have the old SETI monitor on disk- I can download up to 999 work units on the classic version- this will last my computer for about 4 years- but when is the shut down comming? Why all the cloak & dagger of secrecy about SETI plans??

Do BOINC or SETI at home programmers even bother to read the help desk page?

UC Berkley - are the ones to send your gripes to

I have

the more people who pick a department at http://www.berkeley.edu/ and tell them what's really happening to the biggest distributed computing network in the world, the more chance some resources might actually be assigned to the project and the more chances we will get all of the WUs that we can process.

It's a disgrace that the self acclaimed world leader in information technology (UC Berkley) can't even get a simple scheduling task right.

As a provider of free computing power I am demanding the right to be kept informed by Berkley.

Do it

write to UC Berkley now about the BOINC project and how it isn't working for you
the man from the land down under

I have the same problem.
The response from the data server is spotty at best, and most of the time just doesn't return any WU's.

I've decided that the annoyance factor is too high and I am busy uninstalling all the BOINC and "classic" seti@home installations that I have.

There has been no real information coming out of the seti crowd, and if that is how they feel about using my free computing, well, then I guess that they don't need my computing power. (What there is of it.)

It's been fun, but now the hassle-factor is too high.
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Totally convinced. (Maybe)
No, really I am - they are out there.
Somewhere.

BOINC has been working like a dream since I installed it 6/25/04, you just need to work at it a little harder. Seti over 5000, Predictor over 3000, so you see it works and I am an old man with just a high school education ;0) have a nice day......

Bah!!! I am in it for the money

>> BOINC has been working like a dream

Unless you took ALL the units, Pascal (I love your picture :o), then you are also out of work the same as the rest of us. A quick look shows the Predictor project was down today too.

This forum is a perfect example, why sooooo slow? There are not enough posts here to slow down a pentium pro on dialup.

The seti is trying to stop the cheaters, and they are afraid that anything that they say will help those hacking POS.

Unfortunately they have gotten so many accolades for the program that it has gone to their heads and they think that they actually DID something, when the credit (and the solution to these latest ills) is with the Volunteers like you and me.

They could easily let others handle the ancillary stuff off site. The boards could go anywhere (anywhere else would be better) they could even distribute their other tasks, I would be just as happy getting credits for splitting (whatever that is) or serving up a piece of the user batabase, stats or team lookups.

But they are now proud of themselves (because of our computing power) and want to believe that they are the only ones who can handle this huge job.

I think I am going to delete this crap and put all my computing power back into Quake II

>> BOINC has been working like a dream

Unless you took ALL the units, Pascal (I love your picture :o), then you are also out of work the same as the rest of us. A quick look shows the Predictor project was down today too.

This forum is a perfect example, why sooooo slow? There are not enough posts here to slow down a pentium pro on dialup.

The seti staff is trying to stop the cheaters, and they are afraid that anything that they say will help those hacking POS.

Unfortunately they have gotten so many accolades for the program that it has gone to their heads and they think that they actually DID something, when the credit (and the solution to these latest ills) is with the Volunteers like you and me.

They could easily let others handle the ancillary stuff off site. The boards could go anywhere (anywhere else would be better) they could even distribute their other tasks, I would be just as happy getting credits for splitting (whatever that is) or serving up a piece of the user batabase, stats or team lookups.

But they are now proud of themselves (because of our computing power) and want to believe that they are the only ones who can handle this huge job.

I think I am going to delete this crap and put all my computing power back into Quake II

>> BOINC has been working like a dream

Unless you took ALL the units, Pascal (I love your picture :o), then you are also out of work the same as the rest of us. A quick look shows the Predictor project was down today too.

This forum is a perfect example, why sooooo slow? There are not enough posts here to slow down a pentium pro on dialup.

The seti staff is trying to stop the cheaters, and they are afraid that anything that they say will help those hacking POS.

Unfortunately they have gotten so many accolades for the program that it has gone to their heads and they think that they actually DID something, when the credit (and the solution to these latest ills) is with the Volunteers like you and me.

They could easily let others handle the ancillary stuff off site. The boards could go anywhere (anywhere else would be better) they could even distribute their other tasks, I would be just as happy getting credits for splitting (whatever that is) or serving up a piece of the user batabase, stats or team lookups.

But they are now proud of themselves (because of our computing power) and want to believe that they are the only ones who can handle this huge job.

I think I am going to delete this crap and put all my computing power back into Quake II

note to self:

Don't click on the submit button again and again.

Owners manual

> >> BOINC has been working like a dream
>
> Unless you took ALL the units, Pascal (I love your picture :o), then you are
> also out of work the same as the rest of us. A quick look shows the Predictor
> project was down today too.
>
> This forum is a perfect example, why sooooo slow? There are not enough posts
> here to slow down a pentium pro on dialup.
>
> The seti staff is trying to stop the cheaters, and they are afraid that
> anything that they say will help those hacking POS.
>
> Unfortunately they have gotten so many accolades for the program that it has
> gone to their heads and they think that they actually DID something, when the
> credit (and the solution to these latest ills) is with the Volunteers like you
> and me.
>
> They could easily let others handle the ancillary stuff off site. The boards
> could go anywhere (anywhere else would be better) they could even distribute
> their other tasks, I would be just as happy getting credits for splitting
> (whatever that is) or serving up a piece of the user batabase, stats or team
> lookups.
>
> But they are now proud of themselves (because of our computing power) and want
> to believe that they are the only ones who can handle this huge job.
>
> I think I am going to delete this crap and put all my computing power back
> into Quake II
>
>
>
>

Nope have 2 boxes and on 1 I have 3 predictor WUWUs left and on the other I have 1 predictor and 8 Seti left, so I will run out today one 1 and then the other boxes will make it until tommorrow... Setting are 1 to 3 days for both boxes, and if I do run out it will be the first time since 6/25/04

If you think this bad you should have been around for the startup of Seti@Home in 99, I thought I was going to wear my modem out from all the redailing it had to do.....

One of the biggest problem on getting work may be that to many people DL a large amount of WUWUs because they are afraid they will run out of work, not sure you can do that but who knows and yes I know they having problems with the equip. and for their sanity I hope they are not reading these POS posts by the I need it now posters.. Have a nice day....


Owners manual
Bah!!! I am in it for the money

> I still have the old SETI monitor on disk- I can download up to 999 work units on the classic version- this will last my computer for about 4 years- but when is the shut down comming? Why all the cloak & dagger of secrecy about SETI plans??

Berkeley refuses to tell dates, because they don't know dates. The programs will be ready when they are ready, and after that, S@H1 will be shut down. S@H BOINC was forced earlier than planned by discovery, and leaks on several boards.

> Do BOINC or SETI at home programmers even bother to read the help desk page?

Yes, and if you know the names of the developers, sometimes they write answers as well.

The block diagram-/-flow chart in your "owner's manual" was quite informative, Pascal, thank you. I will read over the rest soon.

>> Setting are 1 to 3 days for both boxes, and
>> if I do run out it will be the first time since 6/25/04

That cache setting would be great if it worked, but the work units have been coming with these defective "to completion" times of many times the actual, making the amount of work recieved much smaller than what is asked for.

With that and constant outages; I have run out of work so many times that this time I asked for 5 to 6 days (recieved it) and it lasted less than 1 day.

The units were labled 26 hours but it takes only 4.5 hrs to finish 2 units.

>> One of the biggest problem on getting work may be that to many people DL a >>large amount of WUWUs because they are afraid they will run out of work.

I assume that is both of the reasons behind including that feature in boinc, to store units locally for the inevitable server downtime, and to regulate what many of us were already doing with programs like seticache. But how can we set this feature in our preferences if the units come thru timed incorrectly?

We are each the admins of our own local node, we can only administer it intelligently when we have all the facts. The premise is to put seti to work on unused or wasted cycles, but many of us have built "seti farms" to help in this cause. Most are trustworthy, many are smart enough to; understand the real explainations; make their own admin decisions; and even help with creative solutions. Much of the ranting that I am reading is by those that did not read up before they posted -- but enough of it is written by long time contributers with just enough knowledge for them to conclude that this is a mess.

The thing that all of us want to do is to help fix it. But we can do nothing if we are not informed or asked. And we are quick to anger if we are not considered to be of value. I am not an unused or wasted cpu cycle, I am a Local Node Administrator.

"It has been theorized that an infinite number of monkeys banging on an infinite number of typewriters would eventually reproduce the written works of Shakespeare. Thanks to the Internet, we now know this is not true."
~Kurt Vonnegut