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CStone Send message Joined: 3 Jan 01 Posts: 8 Credit: 449,875 RAC: 0 |
I understand that it takes time for 3 people to validate a WU but up until around this month almost all my credit was coming in steadly, however around 8/04/05 almost all my credit was pending and stil is. Is there some reason for this? I think I have recieved credit for 1 WU since the 4th. Any ideas... |
Tigher Send message Joined: 18 Mar 04 Posts: 1547 Credit: 760,577 RAC: 0 |
I understand that it takes time for 3 people to validate a WU but up until around this month almost all my credit was coming in steadly, however around 8/04/05 almost all my credit was pending and stil is. Is there some reason for this? I think I have recieved credit for 1 WU since the 4th. The system struggles to cope right now. We all have WU waiting tbh. Just hang on a while (perhaps days) and it will clear. |
CStone Send message Joined: 3 Jan 01 Posts: 8 Credit: 449,875 RAC: 0 |
I understand that it takes time for 3 people to validate a WU but up until around this month almost all my credit was coming in steadly, however around 8/04/05 almost all my credit was pending and stil is. Is there some reason for this? I think I have recieved credit for 1 WU since the 4th. Ok thanks, i hope it does soon I figure i can double my credit with what is in pending :-p |
Lanisa Send message Joined: 5 Jun 99 Posts: 25 Credit: 688,811 RAC: 0 |
look at the server status page. You'll see that there are currently 571,526 results Waiting for validation. Most of your missing credits are pending there. Wait a few days. you credits will be granted when the validators catch up. |
ldzppln Send message Joined: 19 Oct 03 Posts: 20 Credit: 640,921 RAC: 0 |
look at the server status page. You'll see that there are currently 571,526 results Waiting for validation. Now it's up to 572,730 results waiting for validation. When are the validators going to begin to get caught up? Jockstocks.com |
-= Vyper =- Send message Joined: 5 Sep 99 Posts: 1652 Credit: 1,065,191,981 RAC: 2,537 |
The priority within boinc@seti seems to be ordered by this (Which it feels like): 1. Filling the outgoing WU queue with work so people can get work rather than it times out. 2. The machines which looks at the ougoing queue to see if there is work to be refilled with (Splitters) fills the outgoing queue up. 3. Getting results back into a type of preliminary db to pass through the accurate/validation process. 4. Validate results and put them into main db for storage. 5. Deleters trying to delete db posts that are old enough for clients that have missed the last return date or something.. I don't know if this priority list is accurate but from what i can judge the workflow it seems rather ok.. Correct me.. Someone.. //Vyper _________________________________________________________________________ Addicted to SETI crunching! Founder of GPU Users Group |
James Nelson Send message Joined: 23 Mar 02 Posts: 381 Credit: 4,806,382 RAC: 0 |
It appears that the validater is still loseing ground. should it still be climbing this long after a restart, or are there greater issues at hand that need to be addresed? |
mikey Send message Joined: 17 Dec 99 Posts: 4215 Credit: 3,474,603 RAC: 0 |
I understand that it takes time for 3 people to validate a WU but up until around this month almost all my credit was coming in steadly, however around 8/04/05 almost all my credit was pending and stil is. Is there some reason for this? I think I have recieved credit for 1 WU since the 4th. I think a BIGGER question is why your AMD64 3200+ computer is taking 9,560.42 seconds to process one work unit on average, and my AMD64 3200+ is only taking 4,275.67 seconds! I am using the optimized client, evidently you are not. IF you were to use an optimized version of the program you would be able to do more units and then get even more credits when the validators do catch back up. |
Dorsai Send message Joined: 7 Sep 04 Posts: 474 Credit: 4,504,838 RAC: 0 |
I suspect that something has SNAFU'd on the validator side of things. The queue is growing, and credit does not seem to be getting granted. Boincstats has almost flatlined when it comes to SETI credit. http://www.boincstats.com/stats/project_graph.php?pr=sah The results are getting returned, and new WU's are getting issued, but not a lot else, so it seems. Not that it matters. The credit will get granted.. But how big is the disk (or disks) at berkeley that store returned work prior to validation? It can't be infinite. Sooner or later is will fill up. Then the SNAFU will become FUBAR. I am a small potatoe, and I have 50 waiting to validate, and about the same waiting to upload. No point in uploading them. Why add to a big pile, when it's only getting bigger. Foamy is "Lord and Master". (Oh, + some Classic WUs too.) |
Popa Send message Joined: 27 Jul 05 Posts: 1 Credit: 4,042 RAC: 0 |
I understand that it takes time for 3 people to validate a WU but up until around this month almost all my credit was coming in steadly, however around 8/04/05 almost all my credit was pending and stil is. Is there some reason for this? I think I have recieved credit for 1 WU since the 4th. Strange?! My AMD64 3500+ is processing from 7200 secs up to 8400 secs |
Spectrum Send message Joined: 14 Jun 99 Posts: 468 Credit: 53,129,336 RAC: 0 |
I understand that it takes time for 3 people to validate a WU but up until around this month almost all my credit was coming in steadly, however around 8/04/05 almost all my credit was pending and stil is. Is there some reason for this? I think I have recieved credit for 1 WU since the 4th. Mikey I think his is a AMD XP 3200+ like mine, I return a unit in between say 7000 to 8000 seconds and yes I am running Mavericks optimised client. Oh BTW how did you wind up with one of your machines having a "PROSUSSER" |
Team Cake Boy's Send message Joined: 24 Jul 99 Posts: 22 Credit: 6,923,381 RAC: 0 |
only 50? i have about 1500 pending.. |
Scarecrow Send message Joined: 15 Jul 00 Posts: 4520 Credit: 486,601 RAC: 0 |
only 50? First whiner doesn't stand a chance... hee hee hee hee (ducking for cover) |
Bentim Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 2 Credit: 3,608,564 RAC: 0 |
only 50? I think I know why for some of them. I have 17 finished work units and 17 that didn't download. That makes 34 that probably won't get to the server the way things are going. I haven't had a good transfer since the database was reorganized last week. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Indeed -- subject of a number of different message topics and a batch of messages here. Folks in Berkeley are aware that there is some sort of problem with validator processing. They haven't declared that they know what the specific problem is or for that matter what a specific solution is. The problem with the validation process surfaced fairly early last week. I've got something approaching 1000 pending credit at this point. Up to the end of July I was seeing about 2K credits a day, with the validator problems this dropped off down to zero over the course of several days (plus the outage of course) and yesterday, even with the LARGE backlog, just moved over 1K -- and I don't see it being more than that today. I suspect that something has SNAFU'd on the validator side of things. |
Gregory Bogosian Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 22,024 RAC: 0 |
I think a BIGGER question is why your AMD64 3200+ computer is taking 9,560.42 seconds to process one work unit on average, and my AMD64 3200+ is only taking 4,275.67 seconds! I am using the optimized client, evidently you are not. IF you were to use an optimized version of the program you would be able to do more units and then get even more credits when the validators do catch back up. This post poses a question for me... why are my times so obscenely high? my avg time for 1 work unit is over 10,000. My computer is running BOINC 24 hours a day. Can someone give me a pointer or two on how to remedy this? AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+ Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 1, (05.01.2600.00) Thanks, Greg |
N/A Send message Joined: 18 May 01 Posts: 3718 Credit: 93,649 RAC: 0 |
[font='courier,courier new']At the risk of making a "me too" post, my last 5 WUs have been pending since the 2nd of Aug.. This raises a question (that I think I might have asked once before): "What happens if the validator processes a pending WU for accreditation past the WU's deadline? That's not an implicit vote of no-confidence in the Devs, and shouldn't be interpreted as such. Still... What if?[/font] |
RDC Send message Joined: 17 May 99 Posts: 544 Credit: 1,215,728 RAC: 0 |
[font='courier,courier new']This raises a question (that I think I might have asked once before): "What happens if the validator processes a pending WU for accreditation past the WU's deadline?[/font] You still get credit as your WU is in before the deadline and the validator hasn't validated the result. You can still get credit even returning a WU past the deadline as long as the validator hasn't validated the result or resent the work if I recall correctly. If you turn your WU in late after the validator has validated it with 3 on-time results, you lose. To truly explore, one must keep an open mind... |
N/A Send message Joined: 18 May 01 Posts: 3718 Credit: 93,649 RAC: 0 |
[font='courier,courier new']Thanks for the refresher![/font] |
Mad Max Send message Joined: 16 Mar 00 Posts: 475 Credit: 213,231,775 RAC: 407 |
only 50? Scarecrow, little do they know I have eaten all the Wu's! Yum, Yum! IAS - Where Space Is Golden! |
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