Well?

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Well?

How's about a superposition of all three depending on how you view the pan-dimensional compute volume?

:)
Martin

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Engineering all the way baby! :D

The act of creating a new piece of software is art.
Getting it debugged and running is engineering.
Using it to get to a certain goal is science.

my 0.02 €

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Aloha, Uli

The act of creating a new piece of software is art.
Getting it debugged and running is engineering.
Using it to get to a certain goal is science.

my 0.02 €

What is creation when divorced from debugging? They are the same process surely?

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...What is creation when divorced from debugging? They are the same process surely?

The creation of software begins in the head and is purely mental. You think about algorithms, plans and ways to accomplish your goal. That's what i would call art and should always be done long before the first line of code is actually typed.

Unfortunately most programmers immediately start with coding and fast get into the "edit, compile, link, debug" cycle often changing the original approach. Most projects, that seems already near completion have major design flaws that get detected way too late, because the first step wasn't made at all or not carefully enough.

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Aloha, Uli

What are you good at?

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What are you good at?

If you meant me see here

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Aloha, Uli

What are you good at?

If you meant me see here

Wow! Very impressive. I wasn't aware that we have actual wizards here at SETI.

Actually, I thought the question was asked by someone looking to get started in a certain field.

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The act of creating a new piece of software is art.
Getting it debugged and running is engineering.
Using it to get to a certain goal is science.

my 0.02 €

I would say that all human endeavours are art.

Art (in the sense of creating it) does not exist in and of itself, divorced from science and technology.

1- You need to have some sort of artistic vision to picture the kind of thing you want.

2- You need the technological tools to be able make the vision a reality.

3- You also need the science or knowledge to be able to relate the tools to the vision; that is to use the tools.

You need all three (with the vision being ultimately the most important).
And they exist in some feedback mechanism, so the vision can be altered by the available tools which in turn can be altered by the knowledge of what can be done, etc.

My 2 pence.

ps I hate ending sentences in etc.

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Well?

Do you want to make lot's of money? Or do you want to feel good about yourself?

Live long and crunch.

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Do you want to make lot's of money? Or do you want to feel good about yourself?

Live long and crunch.

Now, there is the 'crunch', in many ways...

Cheers,
Martin

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Well?

Software development is an art.

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...Actually, I thought the question was asked by someone looking to get started in a certain field.

Ok, sorry, maybe i got the question wrong...

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Aloha, Uli

The act of creating a new piece of software is art.
Getting it debugged and running is engineering.
Using it to get to a certain goal is science.

my 0.02 €

Says it all really. The modern rush to RAD systems, which are hacked from code, has removed some of the analysis and design "art" IMHO. But then, designing a performant database, although using clever tools to "engineer" the solution, is (I feel) still an art, especially if the design is close to a final solution when first set up.

I still have a lot of respect for designers and analysts, as opposed to the more modern trend of "hack the code out, get a prototype running, retrofit the final solution to the prototype".

And before you ask, none of the above is aimed at UCB specifically.

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...I still have a lot of respect for designers and analysts, as opposed to the more modern trend of "hack the code out, get a prototype running, retrofit the final solution to the prototype"...

That's exactly the point, i also criticize in most modern projects. The original orderer of a new project is not willing to give certain time for a proper design cycle. They all want results as fast as possible and are afterwards pissed about the inadequate result :(

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Aloha, Uli

That's exactly the point, i also criticize in most modern projects. The original orderer of a new project is not willing to give certain time for a proper design cycle. They all want results as fast as possible and are afterwards pissed about the inadequate result :(

Sometimes in life you get exactly what you pay for. If you won't pay for proper software design, you are unlikely to receive a working, robust solution.

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Sometimes in life you get exactly what you pay for. If you won't pay for proper software design, you are unlikely to receive a working, robust solution.

100% agreed. But it leaves behind a bad shade on you, if you are a system consultant as i am... :/

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Aloha, Uli

@Lowfield: Hey, your "The Lowfield Inn" really looks cozy ;) I'll try to make a short visit to you if i visit england (Crewe: Bentley uses my system too) again ;)

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Aloha, Uli

@Lowfield: Hey, your "The Lowfield Inn" really looks cozy ;) I'll try to make a short visit to you if i visit england (Crewe: Bentley uses my system too) again ;)

All crunchers welcome :)

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