> mine didn't work, im gona cry for a while :D

And it's a good one - we need it here. So...

I stole it and put it on my server. If you want, go back and edit it to http://darrenc.dyndns.org/this_thread_rocks.jpg and you can see if it will load that way.

Hell, I have cable and it still takes a (relatively) long time to load some of these threads. Berkeley gave us the ability to post pictures so we could post USEFUL ones. Like screenshots of error messages or these stats graphics. Leave it to a bunch of idiots to take a good thing and abuse it. I'm outta this thread - not worth wasting my bandwidth on!

I guess he told us :) wahahaha

I agree with darren, that pic is needed

> Hell, I have cable and it still takes a (relatively) long time to load some of
> these threads.

The threads take a long time to load because Berkeley has the server throttled back because of the overload on the system as a whole. Under normal operations, the threads here are not slow. And the images have no bearing whatsoever on the server load at Berkeley.

Why is it that some people have such a hard time understanding that the pictures don't ever in any way whatsoever even get near the Berkeley servers? Listen again - the pictures do not come through the Berkeley servers! They have no effect whatsoever on how fast the threads load. The threads load completely independently, then the pictures load after that (when the html data has arrived on your system). You can press your little stop button at any time you want and the pictures will stop loading - but all the text will still be here and it will be just like you want it (all the text with none of the pictures).

It amazes me that some people are so self-centered that they try to demand that other people use an open-to-the-public forum in only the way they want them to use it. There are many options available to people who don't want to see the pictures, but instead of taking 10 freekin' seconds to make their own damn computer work the way they want, they'll spend 10 hours in here bitching because everyone else won't instead use the entire board here only the way they want them to.

> Berkeley gave us the ability to post pictures so we could post
> USEFUL ones. Like screenshots of error messages or these stats graphics.
> Leave it to a bunch of idiots to take a good thing and abuse it.

And they gave us the ability to post words so we could post USEFUL ones. Where were the useful words in your last post?

I think Darren deserves a standing ovation!!!for that reply

The question was asked: "What's a 'Standing Ovation'?" A Standing Ovation is the moment when an audience comes to its feet while applauding [and maybe cheering and roaring] in heartfelt appreciation for the performance just presented.

I agree with Bill "I guess he told us". Yes he did, but if you know a pic is going to be in a post, eg: guido posts, then dont go there simple. Save your bandwith or just dissable the ability to download the pics (if you can) :s

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Three cheers for Darren, well said old boy.

(From a 4Meg bandwidth hog) ;P)


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I just skim read Darrens long post and i agree, but i could shortened it. Darren knows what hes on about and we should all listen :)

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Oh Hell, give the guy's a break Darren, what do you expect, there's nothing to see or do at this Site anymore but Complain about the excessive Picture Posting by Guido ... Lots of people can't get any WU's to run, all the Credit & Result Options are turned off, nothings being Validated to speak of. We are nothing but the new Beta testers and it's wearing thin on a lot of people I think... :/

> I just skim read Darrens long post and i agree, but i could shortened it.
> Darren knows what hes on about and we should all listen :)


Darrens quite right about where the images are stored but that doesnt really matter. The images have to be retrieved whether storred on the Seti servers or on any other server. That does take time. How long depends on many things but it will most definetly cause the page to load slower than it would had the images been left off. Darren is right in saying this does not effect the Berkley server loadings.

Pressing the little red cross does not quite have the result Darren would suggest unless you press it at just the right time. You could end up with part of the thread and some pictuires or all of the thread with just a few pics. It really does depend on when you press it. Give it a try.

The question is one of opinion;

1. The posting of images that are completely unrelated to the thread is acceptable.

2. Images should only be posted where relevant to furthering the subject.

Personally I believe that the quantity of off topic postings being placed on the message boards shows a selfish disregard for those who have dial up connections. I'm afraid anybody who believes these images do not "slow things" down are completely wrong unless the images some how appear out of the blue.

Just my opinion.

Neil

> Oh Hell, give the guy's a break Darren, what do you expect, there's nothing to
> see or do at this Site anymore but Complain about the excessive Picture
> Posting by Guido ... Lots of people can't get any WU's to run, all the Credit
> & Result Options are turned off, nothings being Validated to speak of. We
> are nothing but the new Beta testers and it's wearing thin on a lot of people
> I think... :/
>
So, does that mean you'll be leaving??

So, does that mean you'll be leaving??
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Why would I leave when I have you to entertain me ...

I must be really suffering from boredom, I read all this soap opera.

> The images have to be retrieved whether storred on the Seti servers or
> on any other server. That does take time. How long depends on many things but
> it will most definetly cause the page to load slower than it would had the
> images been left off.

Yes, it will make the page load slower, if you define the page as including the images. Some of the sites that the images are coming from are terribly slow. However, the text still appears in the same amount of time whether an image follows it or not.

If you want to test that, click on the link to reply to a thread and note how long it takes to load the thread and bring you to the bottom and present the text box to enter your reply. Then go back and clear the cache and disable off-site images and do the same thing. You'll see that there is really no measurable difference, because the data from Berkeley is not effected by the calls within it to also load off-site images.

> Pressing the little red cross does not quite have the result Darren would
> suggest unless you press it at just the right time. You could end up with part
> of the thread and some pictuires or all of the thread with just a few pics. It
> really does depend on when you press it. Give it a try.

As long as all the data from Berkeley has transmitted, you will have the full thread. True, you must wait until all that data has arrived or you will cut it off. You do NOT have to wait on off-site images to load and you can stop them if you wish.

> The question is one of opinion;
>
> 1. The posting of images that are completely unrelated to the thread is
> acceptable.
>
> 2. Images should only be posted where relevant to furthering the subject.

Virtually no thread here ever stays on subject, yet virtually no one ever complains about someone deviating from the stated subject if they do it with words, so why all the complaining if they do it with pictures instead?

And most of the pictures here are not so off-topic as many people seem to think. Most of the pictures here are simply adding the equivilent of a verbal comment to the thread - but doing it with a picture instead. If someone only chimes in and says "way to go" in reference to a statement someone else made, no one pays any attention to it. However, let that person post a picture of a hand with the thumb up in the air and an angry lynch mob is chasing the poster down with torches claiming it's off-topic, inappropriate, meaningless, senseless, stupid, ignorant and a multitude of other things. The reality is the words and the picture mean the exact same thing, so what difference does it make which method the person uses to convey their message?

> Personally I believe that the quantity of off topic postings being placed on
> the message boards shows a selfish disregard for those who have dial up
> connections.

People who are that concerned about their connection time and bandwidth are in the wrong forum to begin with. This is the "message board" forum, where people just congregate to chat about the various aspects of boinc & seti. This is not the forum for people to be in who are trying to resolve problems. Those people should be in the "questions and problems" forum. That forum very rarely has anything more that someone's sig file in it as far as pictures go, which only goes to show that the majority of people here are respectful of the design of the board.

In short, the participants here (yes, even Guido) are not abusing the forum anywhere near as bad as a few people are claiming they are.

Additionally, anyone who is so concerned about the time and bandwidth involved in getting the pictures here would have likely long ago taken the necessary steps to protect the time and bandwidth from such things. This is not the first or only site on the internet that allows or includes pictures, so this certainly can't be the first encounter someone has had with them. Again, if they are that concerned about it, they would have dealt with it long ago by adjusting their own browser settings.

Just remember no one liked Guido until he joined your team, uping the team stats.

I know the pics don't affect Berkley's servers. I also know this is a public forum and your allowed to post what you like (almost).

Also I supose I could spend 25 seconds turning the pics on & off every time I visited & left the message board, but I don't think because some of us don't have broadband that we should have to.

I'm not even trying to suggest that no one should post pics, only asking that it be kept resonable.

Just a little consideration to your fellow seti crunchers would go along way.

After all, we're all here for the same reason.

> Just remember no one liked Guido until he joined your team, uping the team
> stats.

Underground Tech,

If that's directed to me, I do not (and never have) belonged to any team.

Guido belongs to Jodeum's team - yes of course, reverse the polarity.

And Guido has been around for a very long time. He was part of the beta team, and you will see that most of the beta people here don't have any real problems with him. Yes, he posts a lot of pictures, but again, everyone just automatically assumes a picture is off-topic - and that's not always the case. Most of his pictures are simply "comments". Some of them can be a bit difficult to figure out, but many of the posts here with words can also be difficult to figure out. And, contrary to what many people claim, Guido does and always has tried to answer questions and help people out when he can.

A little more objectivity would go a long way around here.

> > Just remember no one liked Guido until he joined your team, uping the
> team
> > stats.
>
> Underground Tech,
>
> If that's directed to me, I do not (and never have) belonged to any team.
>
> Guido belongs to Jodeum's team - yes of course, reverse the polarity.
>


It was not directed at anyone and I did not even bother to check what team he was with, but merely an observation on how many peoples thoughts about him changed after joining a team(eerrrr.....POLITICS).

Next thing I know everyone was posting pics just for the hella of posting pics.

I was only trying to say that just because you can post pics, doesn't mean everyone should try to see how many pics they can post in a thread.
Just asking for a little common courtesy.

If i remember correctly, Guido was with team: Bionc@china or something like that when he was posting pictures to begin with. He then changed to jodeums team, it seems that his habbits havent changed, but we started sticking up for him because we understand his pictures and it is easier for him than trying to type in english so we can all understand, or when he uses bablefish to translate, it is actually easier to understand his pics than the bablefish sometimes.

I have no problem with Guido posting pics, and don't think anyone else does either as long as they're a reasonable size, ect.
I just noticed the more every one encouraged him, the larger the pics become. That and he seemed to be the cause of all the picture madness.

As long as people don't get carried away, we can put this behind us and complain about something else...Like, when are we going to get WU credits again and how long will it take to have your rank listed on the individual accounts page.

> I have no problem with Guido posting pics, and don't think anyone else does
> either as long as they're a reasonable size, ect.
> I just noticed the more every one encouraged him, the larger the pics become.
> That and he seemed to be the cause of all the picture madness.
>
> As long as people don't get carried away, we can put this behind us and
> complain about something else...Like, when are we going to get WU credits
> again and how long will it take to have your rank listed on the individual
> accounts page.
>
>
I´ve got a problem with his useless pics(over 500 i guess till now)! It is not nessesary to post hundreds of sucking pics.I don´t worry about bandwith but it comits no sense to anything in the bord.

It´s just sucks and i´m sorry this idiot is german. And by the way he´s not recognising any critics even english or german to stop his fu*'!?g damn pic posts.

This guy simply sucks.... Nothing less.Hes´s got no sense wahat this all is about.Even reading seems to be a problem, the boards theme is "Number crunching"
and not posting pics. What is theproblem with this guy ???? He´s got some serious problems!!