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N/A Send message Joined: 18 May 01 Posts: 3718 Credit: 93,649 RAC: 0 |
[font='fixedsys,courier']...which is why I'll quote someone "in the know".[/font] Open BSD honcho Theo De Raadt claimed that Linux is a hopeless jumble of "cheap little hacks" and has become "garbage" during an interview published at Forbes.com.[font='fixedsys,courier'][snip][/font] De Raadt said that the Linux development model lacks professional management, and that big companies like IBM and Sun are capitalizing on the free labor of amateurs because they're too cheap to hire a proper development team. Source: Forbes, The Register[font='fixedsys,courier']Opinions?[/font] ID: 124827 ·  |
AC  Send message Joined: 22 Jan 05 Posts: 3413 Credit: 119,579 RAC: 0 
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Aaah, a good thread topic. Well, unfortunately Linux hasen't really become a serious competitor to either Microsoft, or even Mac for that matter. A big problem is the lack of an extensive marketing campaign to promote Linux. Combine that with the problem of finding user friendly software like that available for Microsoft, and it's enough to keep Linux down. I think that it's good that Linux is out there, but they (Linux people) should try make their OS's file system and UI closer to Microsoft's. I mean let's face it, Microsoft won. If they do that, they'll become a more serious alternative to Microsoft. The problem to that of course is that there isn't a universal standard for how OS's are designed, so until there are, Microsoft will continue to monopolize the market. Professional management for Linux is a good idea. About IBM and Sun, well nobody uses IBM no more, and Sun makes sloppy memory hogging Java software hehe. ID: 124847 · |
 Celtic Wolf  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3278 Credit: 595,676 RAC: 0
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I am going to respond to both posts here. Alex my boy you really need to get out into the private sector. Linux is being used more and more at an Enterprise level. Companies like Check-Point, HP, Oracle, and Cisco are porting their applications to Linux as fast as they can. I just left an environment where the Linux Based CheckPoint Firewall were averaging over 10,000 connections per hour and not breaking a sweat. HP has started porting it HP/Openview Suite of systems and network management tools to Linux. Oracle is already on Linux. Cisco has at least two network applicances that outwardly appear to be IOS, but are in fact Linux. IBM and AIX are still a major player in the Enterprise level. Companies like Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Lockheed-Martian, Glaxo Smith Kline, Revelon are all major AIX shops. De Raadt needs to stop whinning, period. OpenBSD has never got the exposure that Linux has got. Even FreeBSD has received more exposure. Whose fault is that. Sun, IBM or De Raadt's.. De Raadt is bitter over the numerous deals he has lost. Cisco had a choice between Linux and Open BSD. They choose Linux. Companies like Sun and IBM operate to make money. At this point where is the money.. LINUX. I am waiting to see how the world will see OpenSolaris now that Sun has released it to the Open Source market. I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue. American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom. ID: 124892 · |
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Tigher Send message Joined: 18 Mar 04 Posts: 1547 Credit: 760,577 RAC: 0 
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I think Linux is making in-roads into the corporate systems arena. One of the last things I agreed prior to finishing earning a living as the move from SCO Unix to Linux. Only mailervers and domain servers were Windows based. I know many other organisations that were doing and are doing the same. Getting it onto the desk top is somewhat different. I would not be surprised to see Linux server systems at 30% of big corporates in five years time....perhaps even more. I would also say that from my first intro to *nix back in Xenix and sys IV days....that Linux is the most complete and reliable ix I have ever come across......I speak of FC mostly. In the end its about costs and reliability and Linux has it as far as I can see. I think it is a case of Bill Gates look out. I agree the PR stuff earlier...needs more.  ID: 124912 · |
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AC Send message Joined: 22 Jan 05 Posts: 3413 Credit: 119,579 RAC: 0
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Alex my boy you really need to get out into the private sector. Linux is being used more and more at an Enterprise level. Companies like Check-Point, HP, Oracle, and Cisco are porting their applications to Linux as fast as they can. I just left an environment where the Linux Based CheckPoint Firewall were averaging over 10,000 connections per hour and not breaking a sweat. Well, usage of Linux is on the rise in some enterprise levels like you said, and I hope that Linux succeeds. But my view is from a standpoint of a normal computer user. It's nice to have fun on a computer too, and there just aren't enough popular fun programs (such as very cool media players like Jet, Quintessential, etc) for Linux. Things like graphics updates are more complicated to install also. It isn't as easy to learn as Windows. [edit] Here's one reason why I use Winows XP instead of Linux. [/edit] Check Point is as good as its administrator's knowledge of how to use it. It has also had some bad problems with security like other firewalls have had. The fact that it was on Linux boxes in that environment that you mentioned doesn't really have much to do with Linux. That was probably because of good network administarators configuring it the right way. ID: 124923 · |
FalconFly  Send message Joined: 5 Oct 99 Posts: 394 Credit: 18,053,892 RAC: 0 
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Personally, I have abandoned Windows on most of my machines due to security and privacy reasons. Linux isn't as intuitive as Windows yet IMHO, but is in turn (once you know how to handle it) a hundredfold more powerful and more secure than Windows and it's free for all. My current Win2000 SP4 will be the last Windows I ever used, after that it'll be Linux all the way. I'd prefer "cheap little hacks" over "bloated, expensive and restrictive spyware" anyday. I've seen CP/M, MS-DOS 3.2, 5.0, 6.0, 6.22, Win3.11, Win95, Win95OSR1, Win98, Win98SE, WinME, WinNT, Win2000, WinXP, BeOS 5.0, Irix 6.5, SuSe/RedHat/Mandrake/Fedora/Debian Linux... So far WinXP (and potentially its upcoming successor) is by far the cumulatively worst OS I've ever experienced, I wouldn't even touch it with remote Robot arms from a nuclear Waste processing plant behind a 5-inch armoured viewport. 
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rattelschneck  Send message Joined: 14 Apr 01 Posts: 435 Credit: 842,179 RAC: 0
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There's nothing more to say, since FalconFly hits the nail on the head. @FalconFly Hats off! Even the fact I'm not running RedHat. ;) ID: 125007 · |
Siran d'Vel'nahr  Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238
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That could very well be the reason I crap canned WinME on one of mine and am currently learning FreeBSD. I will need to keep XP on my other box for a while until I can find replacements for some of the software I have such as Quicken. About a month, 5 or 6 weeks ago [not sure when], I did the update to XP for the TCP/IP problem. Ever since then, I now have to re-boot the damn thing every day or 2 because after a day my Internet access gets very, very, very, very sluggish, or non-existant. Before that, I could let it go for 2, 3, 4 weeks before a re-boot. Windoze SUX!!!! CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath ID: 125382 · |
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Celtic Wolf Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3278 Credit: 595,676 RAC: 0
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Windoze SUX!!!! Sun Microsystems Inc. SunOS 5.8 Generic February 2000 $ uptime 12:23pm up 208 day(s), 1:49, 1 user, load average: 2.01, 2.00, 2.01 $ Unix Rules!!!!!! FYI: This is a lowly Sparc 20 and the only reason it was rebooted 208 days ago was because it was moveed from one room to another... It is very happily crunching SETI.. I have a laptop that was running windows and would lock up every 20 or 40 minutes. I blew winder away aqnd loaded Fedora C3 on it and it's been crunching SETI and Einstein now for 3 days non-stop... [EDIT]The only thing stopping me from converting this laptop to Unix is the software for my Dive Computer and Dive Watch. They are proprietary and not Unix Equivilants :( [OFF SOAPBOX] I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue. American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom. ID: 125386 · |
eberndl  Send message Joined: 12 Oct 01 Posts: 539 Credit: 619,111 RAC: 3 
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... Why do people reboot their machines so often??? Laptop running XP, uptime is almost 8 days. I regularly go 2 weeks w/o a reboot... ON A LAPTOP. And the computer isn't even super hot, warm certianly, but not hot. ID: 125394 · |
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Celtic Wolf Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3278 Credit: 595,676 RAC: 0
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... Why do people reboot their machines so often??? Because they are pre-conditioned to reboot Winders Machines.. You are still to young to be affected by this afflection... Windows applications are notorious for leaking memory issues. It is easier to just reboot then it is to find the offending application(s) and restart it/them. Bless you if you can last 2 weeks... Unix still RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!! PS: I found a FreeBSD version of the software for my Dive Computer.. Now all I need is the Dive Watch... I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue. American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom. ID: 125395 · |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
... Why do people reboot their machines so often??? I don't know neither, eb! I think it's a guy-thing! I log off when I sleep and boot up when I wake up, and else my laptop running XP is fine! I've put it on a small wire rack, so the temperature has dropped from 50 - 53 to 47 - 50! And I can see how some reboot all the time as I can see the Skype thingy pop op when they do! And it's the same over and over! "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238
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... Why do people reboot their machines so often??? Did you happen to read the explanation for my having to re-boot my XP box so often? If not, read it.... That's why, and because it's Micro$oft Windoze crap.... CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath ID: 125423 · |
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