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Message 119090 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 4:36:01 UTC
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So much whining about the servers being down, people are acting like it's never happened before.

Well, I'm not panicked, I got 24 more hours of work cached, and there are unopened beers left in this town.

Guess I'll let the 'puter work on the work, and I'll work on the beer.

Panic will happen when the beer supply gets down to 24 hours.

It's just frustrating that Berkeley is down, weekend project was to put 5 more machines online. What's the point till they can get work?
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Message 119094 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 4:39:23 UTC - in response to Message 119090.  

Thumbs up, my man. That's the best I read since things went haywire. :)
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Message 119120 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 5:14:46 UTC - in response to Message 119094.  

That's the best I read since things went haywire. :)


Which time?

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Message 119136 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 5:41:47 UTC

well, now that I have optimized clients... I will probably run out of work this night...
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Message 119179 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 8:07:39 UTC

Hi

Just 50 WUs left.
Since useing optimized clients should be 5 days worth.

Again much people acting like the new sheduler allways in panic mode.

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Message 119240 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 13:49:28 UTC - in response to Message 119090.  

It's just frustrating that Berkeley is down, weekend project was to put 5 more machines online. What's the point till they can get work?

To have them ready to roll as soon as work is available?
To check out other projects as backups, for when work isn't available?
Just think... what if ETIs are communicating with gravity waves, and Einstein@home finds them first?

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Message 119261 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 14:19:37 UTC

Let me start with... I am NOT being sarcastic here.

I replaired one BOINC machine that had gone down and moved another from the Classic farm to BOINC this weekend. Neither can get work, and the one that died cannot upload a WU that will expire today.

I know that the competition that went on in Classic between crunchers is not applicable on Boinc, so the BIG question is ----- WHO SUFFERS when the servers are down? The answer is --- SETI AT HOME. I keep hearing the suggestions that we crunch for other projects when we cant get seti WU's, and that is true, so maybe crunchers will get tired of "hurry up and wait" and just switch to Einstein or CPDN and leave seti all together.

I will always TRY to crunch for seti and will NOT be loading WU's for other projects (yet) since I came to seti (classic) to search for ET and will continue to do so. If my machines sit idle, then it will be SETI that suffers, not me. There are no "milestones" to strive for here so the purpose of crunching for seti IS THE SCIENCE... pure and simple. Whether it takes me 10 minutes or 10 years, my only hope is to find "THE SIGNAL" which is what we ALL are searching for!
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Message 119271 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 14:27:53 UTC - in response to Message 119261.  

Let me start with... I am NOT being sarcastic here.

I replaired one BOINC machine that had gone down and moved another from the Classic farm to BOINC this weekend. Neither can get work, and the one that died cannot upload a WU that will expire today.

I know that the competition that went on in Classic between crunchers is not applicable on Boinc, so the BIG question is ----- WHO SUFFERS when the servers are down? The answer is --- SETI AT HOME. I keep hearing the suggestions that we crunch for other projects when we cant get seti WU's, and that is true, so maybe crunchers will get tired of "hurry up and wait" and just switch to Einstein or CPDN and leave seti all together.

I will always TRY to crunch for seti and will NOT be loading WU's for other projects (yet) since I came to seti (classic) to search for ET and will continue to do so. If my machines sit idle, then it will be SETI that suffers, not me. There are no "milestones" to strive for here so the purpose of crunching for seti IS THE SCIENCE... pure and simple. Whether it takes me 10 minutes or 10 years, my only hope is to find "THE SIGNAL" which is what we ALL are searching for!



David,
I had 8 Seti Wu's waiting that got uploaded and cleared finally about 15 minutes ago. I had to force post them, but it worked after the third try. You might want to give it a try.

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Message 119272 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 14:30:13 UTC

I will try that --- THANK YOU!!!
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Message 119275 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 14:31:20 UTC - in response to Message 119251.  

Yes it is frustrating when Berkeley goes down, I've had no contact since friday night and its now sunday afternoon. However, has it occurred to anyone that if SETI get the funding they could probably hire a Cray supercomputer for a few days and crunch as many units as us lot do in a year. If we whine too much ......


Chris,

The whole point is that the combined capabiity of our systems is as great, or greater, than any other supercomputer. Most of the supeercomputers out there in todays world are only collections of fairly standard PCs of one flavor or another.

When I look at the stats page I see that there are 275,000 nodes in this "cluster" we call SETI@Home Powered by BOINC. even if you only let me have 25% of the nodes, that is still nearly70,000 nodes. Way more than any other cluster. And we still have a lot of growth potential from the remaining people in SETI@Home Classic.

Last point, the real cost in getting a supercomputer is in the long term support, not the purchase price.
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Message 119283 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 14:43:17 UTC

There should ba a "Whinge@Home" project - it wouldn't do any useful work, just generate complaints randomly and post them to a message board ;)

j/k
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Message 119287 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 14:46:11 UTC - in response to Message 119261.  

Let me start with... I am NOT being sarcastic here.

I replaired one BOINC machine that had gone down and moved another from the Classic farm to BOINC this weekend. Neither can get work, and the one that died cannot upload a WU that will expire today.

I know that the competition that went on in Classic between crunchers is not applicable on Boinc, so the BIG question is ----- WHO SUFFERS when the servers are down? The answer is --- SETI AT HOME. I keep hearing the suggestions that we crunch for other projects when we cant get seti WU's, and that is true, so maybe crunchers will get tired of "hurry up and wait" and just switch to Einstein or CPDN and leave seti all together.

I will always TRY to crunch for seti and will NOT be loading WU's for other projects (yet) since I came to seti (classic) to search for ET and will continue to do so. If my machines sit idle, then it will be SETI that suffers, not me. There are no "milestones" to strive for here so the purpose of crunching for seti IS THE SCIENCE... pure and simple. Whether it takes me 10 minutes or 10 years, my only hope is to find "THE SIGNAL" which is what we ALL are searching for!


Hi

Very interesting point of view.
I´m not thinking that different.

greetz Mike




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Message 119300 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 15:08:01 UTC - in response to Message 119090.  

[font='fixedsys,courier'] ! That's the spirit![/font]
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Message 119306 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 15:11:58 UTC - in response to Message 119283.  

There should ba a "Whinge@Home" project - it wouldn't do any useful work, just generate complaints randomly and post them to a message board ;)

j/k

LOL

HEHEHEHE

(whine) I'm attached to Whine@home and I want my credit per bitchy post, not on the quality of my whine.
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Message 119331 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 15:43:21 UTC - in response to Message 119293.  

Paul,

Thanks for the reply.

"Last point, the real cost in getting a supercomputer is in the long term support, not the purchase price"

I was suggesting that Seti HIRE one not BUY one!!!

Obviously finance is one the problems with this sort of project. Why hasn't anyone approached the likes of Mr Gates, for example, in this respect. Can't believe that he wouldn't be interested.

Chris S.
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Well, now you get to problem two ...

time on supercomputers can be "booked" years in advance. LHC@Home for example, did their initial project as a test to see if it would help out. The results were so impressive that they got a server upgrade and have been doing more studies. They did a "horse-race" test and the external results agreed with the internal results ... and the interest in CERN seems to be increasing so it is very likely we will see continued expansion there.

As an even more interesting point, the Participant base is "capped" and you cannot join right now. But the 6,000 Participants signed up run them dry almost as fast as they post work ... we are now doing 1,000,000 turn runs right now. They said they had about 30,000 of these work units, but I don't know how far we are in the study.
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Message 119352 - Posted: 5 Jun 2005, 16:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 119283.  

There should ba a "Whinge@Home" project - it wouldn't do any useful work, just generate complaints randomly and post them to a message board ;)

j/k


Then it could also service those who need to whinge about those who complain...


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