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Message 7814 - Posted: 14 Jul 2004, 16:59:47 UTC

Their servers are screwing up almost every day. Why weren't they prepared? I think they just need to go back to the old Seti@Home Design. At least it worked. This is lame.

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Message 7838 - Posted: 14 Jul 2004, 17:25:17 UTC - in response to Message 7814.
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Reading some other threads it was in the beginning of S@H1 maybe even worse compared to what we have here.

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Message 7844 - Posted: 14 Jul 2004, 17:29:09 UTC
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yea this is lame, but they have had a rush of people join, what u expect, they are running 2 projects, 2 websites, i think they are gd to come even this far. This was supost to happen a couple of years ago.

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Message 8066 - Posted: 14 Jul 2004, 23:20:01 UTC

bugs like SAH2 is experiencing are part of the way to progress...the real world has this awful way of throwing you curves that were not anticipated while a project was in development...these troubles will soon pass.

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Message 8102 - Posted: 15 Jul 2004, 2:22:38 UTC - in response to Message 7844.

> yea this is lame, but they have had a rush of people join, what u expect, they
> are running 2 projects, 2 websites, i think they are gd to come even this far.
> This was supost to happen a couple of years ago.

Actually, it is 3 projects and 4 websites.

Projects: BOINC, S@H, AstroPulse
Websites (known to date) S@H1, S@H, Alpha, Beta.

They also have to deal with other developers for other projects: Predictor is in a public Alpha test. Rumored to start soon is CPDN. Rumored to start sometime are Folding@Home, and others.

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Message 10576 - Posted: 21 Jul 2004, 5:37:13 UTC - in response to Message 8102.

It does not, NOT matter how many projects they are running! They are supposed to be prepared. As if it isn't enough that they have thousands or millions of computers contributing to this, and they can't even keep up with it.

I really don't have any problems with it, though, since I request 5-6 days' work at a time. My internet connection has as many problems as boinc's servers. Go figure.

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> > yea this is lame, but they have had a rush of people join, what u expect,
> they
> > are running 2 projects, 2 websites, i think they are gd to come even this
> far.
> > This was supost to happen a couple of years ago.
>
> Actually, it is 3 projects and 4 websites.
>
> Projects: BOINC, S@H, AstroPulse
> Websites (known to date) S@H1, S@H, Alpha, Beta.
>
> They also have to deal with other developers for other projects: Predictor is
> in a public Alpha test. Rumored to start soon is CPDN. Rumored to start
> sometime are Folding@Home, and others.
> <a> href="http://www.boinc.dk/index.php?page=user_statistics&userid=9915">
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Message 10653 - Posted: 21 Jul 2004, 10:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 10576.

Was already written many times here around in forums ... read posts written by Rom Walton, one of developers from Berkeley, and find out more about problems and answers to your questions.



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Message 10672 - Posted: 21 Jul 2004, 11:42:00 UTC

I think we all appreciate the challenges that were and are in store for the boinc project team, but I do not think it the tunnel out. It is up to that braintrust to ascertain what can be done now. FIVE years have passed with Five years of lessons learned from the demands of SH1. Clearly, those running the boinc project underestimated the post-beta demands and I see little excuse for it--more people are on the wagon than FIVE years ago and many more aware of distributed computing. additionally, few have the time or the patience to get involved with the beta phase. from one of yesterday's posts, they make it sound as if this demand for WUs totally unexpected.

so, no excuses please, their decision matrix needs a review.





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Message 10724 - Posted: 21 Jul 2004, 13:13:01 UTC

I would have to agree, this could only happen in academia. If this were a commercial venture, they would be out of business and facing a class action suite. The only excuse is no excuse at all. All they can say is “we didn’t expect this response”. What did they expect? Don’t they track there own project? It’s not like they don’t have records on past performance and participation.

They just didn’t do their homework. In science, that is inexcusable. In many fields if you make a mistake like this, people can die. Of course, this is academia and totally removed from the real world so why should they be concerned that they are pissing off there most loyal supporters? After all, why should we want to move to a new, performance based version of a program that will take advantages of the higher end hardware that we own? I can only hope that they analyze there data better than they plan their implementation or ET could be sending us messages today and we would never know it.

As to my qualifications to complain; I’m a former research scientist and now a network professional. In either field, a mistake like this would land me in the unemployment line.

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Message 10776 - Posted: 21 Jul 2004, 15:04:36 UTC

I don't like reposting for those who don't go through the threads for info, but here goes....

OK, here it is in a nut shell. The equipment currently allocated for the Boinc release is just a small portion of the hardware available. The bulk of the hardware is still tied up running S@H1. The original release of the Boinc client to the public was supposed to be a phased in operation. However, some eager beaver let the cat out of the bag by releasing the startup site URL. Some decisions had to be made and it was decided to finally give it a go while the tidal wave was approaching. Unfortunately the available hardware was not yet optimized to run so many hosts, and with more and more hosts trying to come on line, it has become a constant game of catch up. The obvious solution would be to shut down S@H1 and divert all that hardware to Boinc. This however would leave a mass of hosts at the old site in the lurch.

To make a long story short, it is going to be a rough road for little while, until compromises can be worked in and the full transition made. Patience is going to be needed. The systems will constantly be needing adjustment which means that it will be going down and coming back up again rather frequently for some time. Eventually, with all the available hardware on line at Boinc and optimized, the situation will radically improve. It will just take some time.

P.S. Don't ask anyone how long it will take, we do not have the ability to see into the future.

P.P.S. You can bet your last dollar that some mistakes will be made, but until you can establish your godhead and prove that you can walk on water, keep the critical comments civilized and to a minium unless you can provide proof of your own perfection.

P.P.P.S. If you want real hard Dev info, just look for Rom Walton's posts. He's been posting all over the place. http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=85465

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Message 10784 - Posted: 21 Jul 2004, 15:15:43 UTC

ROFL !!!!!

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Message 11029 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 3:35:33 UTC - in response to Message 10724.

> Of course, this is
> academia and totally removed from the real world so why should they be
> concerned that they are pissing off there most loyal supporters?

This has been my personal beef all along. I have from past experiences lost much respect for the academic world because of their approach and outlook on things. I feel most of academia can best be compared to the Catholic church of the past.
The occasional postings from Rom Walton are much appreciated and are about the only saving grace for Berkeleys credibility in my eyes.
That being said, I have time to wait, the project is too important to me to give up on. I know they are working on it, and that one day - not too far in the future - these problems will be a thing of the past. I wish I could say the same about academia in general.

P.S. - You may expect a knock at your door from the Office of the Inquisitor in answer to your heretical words.




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