I faced the Problem, that the "Funktion Update Project" didn't anymore work. I just get these messages:

10.05.2005 17:11:55||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
10.05.2005 17:11:55||schedule_cpus: must schedule
10.05.2005 17:11:55|climateprediction.net|Pausing result 17gt_000076918_1 (left in memory)
10.05.2005 17:11:55|SETI@home|Resuming result 27dc04aa.2258.24753.342308.145_1 using setiathome version 4.09
10.05.2005 17:30:32||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
10.05.2005 17:30:32||schedule_cpus: must schedule
10.05.2005 17:30:32|climateprediction.net|Resuming result 17gt_000076918_1 using hadsm3 version 4.10
10.05.2005 17:30:32|SETI@home|Pausing result 27dc04aa.2258.24753.342308.145_1 (left in memory)
10.05.2005 17:35:22||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
10.05.2005 17:35:22||schedule_cpus: must schedule

So sometimes the System switch crunching the work from the other Project and sometime just the useless lines:
10.05.2005 17:35:22||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
10.05.2005 17:35:22||schedule_cpus: must schedule

are there?!?!?

The posibility whent away to change the preferences and Update then the Project :-(

Any News about these?

This is due to the new scheduling function introduced in 4.35

see BOINC 4.35 Debt Questions for further details...

Andy

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<blockquote>This is due to the new scheduling function introduced in 4.35

see BOINC 4.35 Debt Questions for further details...

Andy</blockquote>

What does disabling the manual Update function have to do with Debt calculations?

Why prevent the user from enabling preference changes?

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It's all about the debt values.

In short:
If a project hasn't enough debt, it won't get new workunits and won't update.

Andy

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<blockquote>It's all about the debt values.

In short:
If a project hasn't enough debt, it won't get new workunits and won't update.

Andy</blockquote>

There are plenty of other reasons to force an update -

- Switching from Home to Work

- Changing time slice percentage

- Changing hours of operation

In short, any of the General Preferences, or Project Preferences.
These only happen during an update, so it is required to force a manual update to change the operating characteristics of BIONIC.

- Also, to force work to report before the deadline.

Nothing at all to do with Debt. There are plenty of valid reasons for BIOINIC to communicate besides downloading new work.

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I fully agree with you! :-)

I didn't say I'm preferring the new method, was just extrapolating the essens of what I undestood in reading the other thread.

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Hi

There is a paradox, the name says all manual has to be manual.

greetz Mike

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<blockquote>It's all about the debt values.

In short:
If a project hasn't enough debt, it won't get new workunits and won't update.

Andy</blockquote>

Hi Andy,

just one question, what hase the get new work todo with update a Project?

In my eyes nothing, the new part, that BOINC force finshed working a WU that should be finished within the next 24 Hours is great!

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<blockquote>just one question, what hase the get new work todo with update a Project?</blockquote>

It has to do with the request to the scheduler.
At the moment (4.35 ... 4.38) a request to the web page scheduler is only performed when the debt value is high enough (for this project).

If not, no request is made and therefore no new work, no update, no reporting, no nothing is done.

Hope to make it clearer now.

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No Andy. It's borked...

Update should still function regardless of whether it will give you work or not. The previous releases with the new scheduler code would still let you change preferences even though your LTD wasn't allowing new work to be downloaded.

In short, this is not normal operation.

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<blockquote>No Andy. It's borked...

Update should still function regardless of whether it will give you work or not.</blockquote>

As I said: I agree with you!
But the problem is: It's not implemented that way.
And there's nothing I can do abou it.

Andy

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Hi

Just installed Tetsuji Maverick optimized client but did a mistake.
Copied boinc.exe to my folder when i finnished the first result.
Then update project and it works with 4.38 so i asked him to compile a newer version maybe 4.30 to be so actual as possible.
I dont know exactly what is boinc.exe used for but it couldn´t be wrong.

greetz Mike

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<blockquote>s I said: I agree with you!
But the problem is: It's not implemented that way.
And there's nothing I can do abou it.
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Then I must have understood you. It sure looks like you were saying this is how the previous versions worked as well, which they did not. Currently, preferences can not be updated manually. Previously, you could still update preferences/stats/etc... you just wouldn't get work if the scheduler didn't want you to. (no more manually trying to get work)

I also don't believe this result was intended. (read: bug) There are reports on the alpha list about this very issue.

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<blockquote><blockquote>No Andy. It's borked...

Update should still function regardless of whether it will give you work or not.</blockquote>

As I said: I agree with you!
But the problem is: It's not implemented that way.
And there's nothing I can do abou it.

Andy</blockquote>

Then quit trying to blame the lack of manual update on the Debt thing! It's NOT RELATED !!!! It shouldn't even be in the discussion.

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<blockquote>Hi
Just installed Tetsuji Maverick optimized client but did a mistake.
Copied boinc.exe to my folder when i finnished the first result.</blockquote>

First of all: You it's not neccessary to use the TMR edition of boinc.exe

If you wanna use it, you have to overwrite your "old" boinc.exe


<blockquote>Then update project and it works with 4.38 so i asked him to compile a newer version maybe 4.30 to be so actual as possible.
I dont know exactly what is boinc.exe used for but it couldn´t be wrong.

greetz Mike
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The latest official release of the BOINC core was 4.25 and that's the version TMR based his optimized client on.
All other releases are BETA or even Developement purposes only!
Use at your own risk!

And if he wants to be more actual he'd go for version 4.35 at least, 'cause this is the version which introduced the new scheduling.

And for last: What does this has to do with this thread?

Andy

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<blockquote>Just installed Tetsuji Maverick optimized client but did a mistake.
Copied boinc.exe to my folder when i finnished the first result.
Then update project and it works with 4.38 so i asked him to compile a newer version maybe 4.30 to be so actual as possible.
I dont know exactly what is boinc.exe used for but it couldn´t be wrong.
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BOINC.exe is the Core Client. If you installed his supplied BOINC.exe, you aren't in fact running 4.38, but 4.27.

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<blockquote>Then quit trying to blame the lack of manual update on the Debt thing! It's NOT RELATED !!!! It shouldn't even be in the discussion.</blockquote>

For me it is related!
You don't think so, but you are completely lack of a proof!

The long term debt scheduling is the only thing what has changed for contacting the web schedluer.
Tell me why it isn't related, but don't call out something without having a clue.

Andy

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Hi

That maybe true but i´ve back to control manual update.
I´ve lost many credits on einstein because the client reported my result within the deadline but they was finnished in it.
I want to have control in last instance.

greetz Mike
Boincing since March 2003.

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<blockquote>I also don't believe this result was intended. (read: bug) There are reports on the alpha list about this very issue.
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Ah! ok, let's hope they get it sorted out for the next version.

Manual update as I understood was:
a) Update preferences on the web page and hit update to take over the new results
b) I have workunits to report, hit update and they are reported.

This could have been done till V4.25 afaik
With 4.36...4.38 I couldn't get this behaiviour anymore...

Andy

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The biggest bug is sitting 10 inch in front of the screen.

At first I thought "I'll talk about anything I want other than the manual project update feature of 4.38" Maybe I'll talk about the way my butt feels after riding a motorcycle for half a day. Maybe I'll talk about my new puppy chewing up my stuff. Don't even get me started on my wife.

But, since I've mentioned the words included in the title of this thread on the first sentence, then I guess this post belongs in this thread after all, and I don't have to worry about someone chastizing me. LOL

Anyone else feel the need to discuss anything?

tony

P.S. In the 4.35 debt question thread, I discovered that the install of 4.38 didn't happen properly. This caused me to improperly report that I could still manually update. After restarting my puter I found that the 4.38 install completed, and I now CAN'T manually update.

Add my name to the numerous other users in the same boat.