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Message 108748 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 2:14:56 UTC - in response to Message 108740.  
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<blockquote>On the other hand, this outage has provided me with a reason to set up an Einstein account.</blockquote>

Einstein RAWKS!!

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Message 108750 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 2:17:44 UTC - in response to Message 108726.  

<blockquote>Pessimism mode on:

I have this sinking feeling that this outage may not get worked on by the folks remaining at Cogent until sometime on Monday, resulting in the link being up either late on Monday or even later, and, as a result of a multiple day outage, seeing a 24 hour plus recovery period at Berkeley (perhaps just in time for another Cogent outage).

Pessimism mode off

On the other hand, this outage has provided me with a reason to set up an Einstein account.</blockquote>

By the way, you could get through to Einstein? I thought the whole network was down. I went back to crunch SETI units, still in search of that elusive 27000. At least there I have a 250 unit cache on each computer.

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Message 108753 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 2:24:07 UTC - in response to Message 108743.  

<blockquote>Changed my cache sizes for seti from 10 days to 6, and set einstein to 3. Hopefully I set it ok, will see. </blockquote>

Ummm....Errrr...Ahhhhh. Isn't the "connect to" setting for the cache size under "General Preferences"? If so, then aren't general preferences applied to all projects? If you change the "connect to" setting on the Einstein site, I believe it changes it on the Seti site. It's just the project specific, and Forum preferences that can be set per project.
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Message 108755 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 2:36:03 UTC

The network problems over the last few days indicates that they need to add "outside world contectivity" to the server status page....

Right now, all is green, but we all know that the servers may be running, but no one outside of UCB can get to them!


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Message 108757 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 2:37:28 UTC

>Ummm....Errrr...Ahhhhh. Isn't the "connect to" setting for the cache size >under "General Preferences"? If so, then aren't general preferences applied >to all projects? If you change the "connect to" setting on the Einstein site, >I believe it changes it on the Seti site. It's just the project specific, and >Forum preferences that can be set per project.


When I look at them both they are set the way I set them. Got advise from someone and change them, they appear to be seperate, I dunno how all this works, just set up einstein.
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Message 108759 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 2:43:22 UTC - in response to Message 108757.  
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<blockquote>When I look at them both they are set the way I set them. Got advise from someone and change them, they appear to be seperate, I dunno how all this works, just set up einstein. </blockquote>

Nice to see some new folks at Einstein. :)

Tony is correct about the general preferences, if you change the 'connect every' setting for one project it changes them all. It just doesn't appear that way right now because SETI isn't online to sync up. (It took me a while to figure all this stuff out too.) With SETI down right now a lot of folks are using the time to explore other projects, which is cool.

I think you'll like Einstein.. the work units are a tad bigger but the new credit system takes that into account so your credits are proportionally larger as well. ;)

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Message 108764 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 2:51:01 UTC - in response to Message 108759.  

<blockquote><blockquote>When I look at them both they are set the way I set them. Got advise from someone and change them, they appear to be seperate, I dunno how all this works, just set up einstein. </blockquote>

Nice to see some new folks at Einstein. :)

Tony is correct about the general preferences, if you change the 'connect every' setting for one project it changes them all. It just doesn't appear that way right now because SETI isn't online to synch up. It took me a while to figure all this stuff out, but with SETI down right now it gives folks a chance to explore some other cool projects.

I think you'll like Einstein.. the work units are a tad bigger but the new credit system takes that into account so your credits are proportionally larger as well. ;)

Dig</blockquote>

Thanks Dig.

Any other suggestions for a new guy? Basically I'm running an Intel Celeron 2.6ghz. Before I joined up on einstein, i was basically filling about 1.5-2 wu's for seti. Would it be ok to leave my setting at .5 for them both then to connect, or would be ok to up it to 1 day? Its not a super fast machine, but it works. :-) Thanks again for any and all help.

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Message 108766 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 2:56:33 UTC - in response to Message 108764.  
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<blockquote>Basically I'm running an Intel Celeron 2.6ghz. Before I joined up on einstein, i was basically filling about 1.5-2 wu's for seti. Would it be ok to leave my setting at .5 for them both then to connect, or would be ok to up it to 1 day? Its not a super fast machine, but it works. :-) Thanks again for any and all help.</blockquote>

Jeremy, I'm running both projects on a 2.93Ghz Celeron. It takes me about 3.5 hours for a SETI WU and 8.5 for an Einstein WU. I'd leave your setting at .5 days until you see how your times are. Einstein's deadline is one week instead of two so you don't want to download too many WU's until you see what your turnaround time is.

Happy Crunching :)
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Message 108767 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 2:58:26 UTC - in response to Message 108766.  

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Jeremy, I'm running both projects on a 2.93Ghz Celeron, and it takes me about 3.5 hours for a SETI WU and 8.5 for an Einstein WU. I'd leave your setting at .5 days until you see how your times are. Einstein's deadline is one week instead of two so you don't want to download too many until you see where you stand.

Happy Crunching :)</blockquote>

Sounds good. Ill let it stay that way for about a week then, and see where I stand. Thanks again.
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Message 108770 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 3:02:56 UTC - in response to Message 108681.  

<blockquote>90% reliability is not something you design for.</blockquote>
Actually, I think SETI is one of the rare cases that you can design for 90% reliability.

If we're talking about humans reading web pages, near 100% uptime is a requirement. Doubly-so if we're talking about E-Commerce.

But we aren't. The BOINC client is (in theory) an automated process that runs with relatively little human intervention. The client has infinite patience, and when communication is restored, it will contact the project.

The cache can bridge a several day outage.

SETI added the Cogent connection in May, 2002, replacing their (expensive) connection through Campus. The article at http://www.planetary.org/html/UPDATES/seti/SETI@home/Update_052002.htm describes the costs and how it gets delivered.

So, we have three years of history, and most of the time it's worked well.

Cogent bought UFO Communications after the May 2002 article -- so maybe the problem is Cogent, maybe it's UFO, and maybe the fault occurs after the circuit enters the Campus and becomes the responsibility of CNS.

Either way, this is a good test of how BOINC recovers from an outage, and it'll be a good test of the new BOINC client scheduler.
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Message 108778 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 3:33:55 UTC

I took the downtime to upgrade to the latest version (4.37) and am anxious to see how it runs. I'll unsuspend it when I see the system is up again. No biggy! :)
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Message 108781 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 3:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 108778.  

<blockquote>I took the downtime to upgrade to the latest version (4.37) and am anxious to see how it runs. I'll unsuspend it when I see the system is up again. No biggy! :)</blockquote>

I also just downloaded 4.37 after reading a lot of posts about it, seems like not many people have much problems, so Ill see how it goes as well.

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Message 108812 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 7:09:42 UTC

Cogent have done something bad!
24 hrs and counting!

My BOINC Project Status will soon be back up.

BOINC Project Status

This comes as a live info from my PC!
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Message 108820 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 8:36:55 UTC - in response to Message 108812.  

<blockquote>My BOINC Project Status will soon be back up.
This comes as a live info from my PC!</blockquote>

Thanks for the info, again! I had tried to reach your link yesterday, and earlier today, and got a "page not found" type error. Glad to hear that it's nothing terminal. :)

I've given up ever using the server status pages to let me know if there's a problem - most times when I can't ul or dl all the servers are showing green. And I tried to understand that page where there's all those graphs, and I've decided that the level of information provided is way to much information for me, as I can't decipher what all the graphs mean.

Thanks for doing all this work!!! :) :) :)
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Message 108821 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 8:56:31 UTC - in response to Message 108820.  

Glad to hear someone likes my work,
I am still rebuilding so if you know upload/download/scheduler URLS for any other projects please send them to me at cjm at cjmweb.fsnet.co.uk
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Message 108832 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 10:18:47 UTC

I just took a look at the inr-668 page

Looks like it's coming back on as of 10am UTC
<img src="http://boinc.mundayweb.com/one/stats.php?userID=898">
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Message 108833 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 10:24:18 UTC

Oh great, so after the whole night of temporarily failed uploads we now get temporarily failed downloads as well. ;)
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Message 108836 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 10:31:53 UTC - in response to Message 108833.  

<blockquote>Oh great, so after the whole night of temporarily failed uploads we now get temporarily failed downloads as well. ;)</blockquote>

It makes sense you cant do either, Are you just getting with the program AgeLess?

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Message 108838 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 10:36:49 UTC - in response to Message 108836.  

<blockquote><blockquote>Oh great, so after the whole night of temporarily failed uploads we now get temporarily failed downloads as well. ;)</blockquote>

It makes sense you cant do either, Are you just getting with the program AgeLess?

:=)</blockquote>
I know that, I just thought I'd be the first to say it. Before half the family comes in here, bleary eyed, saying how they can't upload or download, how BOINC is temporarily failing etc. You know how it goes.

Having said that, I did get a unit in just now. There's just patience needed. And the upload can sit there till the 20th for all I care, that's deadline day. ;)
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Message 108839 - Posted: 8 May 2005, 10:40:39 UTC

It is back!

Of course, it will take a while to upload/download/validate;
we can expect some nice congestion on Cogetn link and on servers.

Thanks to teams resolving failure.

BR
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p.s. Thread is over, please do not report "me too, errors reaimains..."
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